Pay to Win - Zos is this it from now on?

martinhpb16_ESO

Wardens, wardens, wardens, dizzying swing, subterranean assault, executioner - is that it from now on?

Just make your pvp one class, 3 skill and be done with it.

Noctus

well there are sorcs... but then again crystalized shield of warden pretty much screws over every magicka class becouse of the magicka restoration. i should make a thread about it.

DrSlaughtr

Sub assault needs major adjustment. I was on the third floor of a keep yesterday and the dude on first floor was spamming sub assault. It hit and killed me. 🙄

The second auto cast should go bye bye and a warning cone should be added like every other skill.

Joy_Division

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Wardens, wardens, wardens, dizzying swing, subterranean assault, executioner - is that it from now on?

Just make your pvp one class, 3 skill and be done with it.

They sometimes use Dawnbreaker.

LightYagami

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Wardens, wardens, wardens, dizzying swing, subterranean assault, executioner - is that it from now on?

Just make your pvp one class, 3 skill and be done with it.

You forgot something...

Wardens Netch: ONE skill with ZERO COST giving Wardens FREE purge, FREE buff, FREE regeneration.

(I have a stamden alt but I still think that Wardens are too good comparing to many other classes in PvP)

ResidentContrarian

If you think warden is bad now, wait until Gaze of Sithis.

I went to vSO and had little trouble solo tanking the entire thing without blocking. Warden absorb projectile, shield ult reflect, inherent power and "betterness" of the class, and it looks like stam warden won't just be on top, it will be godmode in PvP.

And yes, I tested the same build in PvP and it cannot be beaten and has zero counterplay.

Worst ESO patch for balance is what is currently on PTS. If anyone isn't a believer, go to PTS now and make a template, slot that mythic item and see for yourself. It's so grossly OP compared to everything else, you don't even need to do much besides slot it to notice a tremendous difference.

Combine it with procs and vampire, and it's literally a meme at that point. You can't die in PvE for the most part, and in PvP it will probably take 30+ minimum to handle you.

martinhpb16_ESO

Population in CP is dropping more with every week. We went back into CP last night and were literally finding group after group of wardens. One group did have a necro though.

Boring as hell

rbfrgsp

Saturday evening, prime time 60v60 sieges moment of the week, right?

This Saturday I jumped online a bit late. Wanted to get into PC EU cyro. Faction lock was on. Damn, expecting at minimum 25 people in front of me. Instead, five second pause and ready to port in. Huh?

Got into the zone no problem; realised I was in PvE gear and had to port back out to my home storage. Port out, change armour, re-queue on the locked campaign. Straight back in.

And it really wasn't busy. It's a real shame but the population decline is 100% down to this last year of "You're not allowed in with that build" gatekeeping.

xylena_lazarow

If the Gaze of Sithis mythic goes live, it will be mandatory on most nb/sorc, and require purchase of Blackwood.

Grebcol

Wardens everywhere. PVP in this game has become super unfun.

Araneae6537

Morrowind has been part of the base game for a long time now — hardly “pay to win.” From the PTS threads I’ve seen, wardens may get a significant nerf next patch. I would rather see Dragonknight, Nightblade and Templar get buffs tbh, bring back some of the things that make each class unique and fun to play, not that they aren’t now, but there is already more homogenization then I would prefer.

Goregrinder

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

If the Gaze of Sithis mythic goes live, it will be mandatory on most nb/sorc, and require purchase of Blackwood.

Istheren13lse already has a WW build that lets you go 100% AFK and solo IC NPC's and some of the IC bosses. If it goes live like this, along with Crimson the way it is on PTS, I'm 100% running that build on my WW and bringing my harbinger Necro back.

Grebcol

Araneae6537 wrote: »

Morrowind has been part of the base game for a long time now — hardly “pay to win.” From the PTS threads I’ve seen, wardens may get a significant nerf next patch. I would rather see Dragonknight, Nightblade and Templar get buffs tbh, bring back some of the things that make each class unique and fun to play, not that they aren’t now, but there is already more homogenization then I would prefer.

There will never be any buffs to those class.

Rhaegar75

sadly if you were a new player why would you chose to play a NB a DK or a Plar if you know that wardens by default and design can best all of them!!!
At least Necros need to use the corpse dynamic but Warden are simply easy play easy win...limited skill required.
Add some procs that do damage for you and then you have your lovely P2W Warden

olsborg

Doesnt rly take a rocketscientist to figure out how OP warden and necromancer are vs OG classes if you just look at the class passives (and active skills).

This guy could do it.

Rhaegar75

olsborg wrote: »

Doesnt rly take a rocketscientist to figure out how OP warden and necromancer are vs OG classes if you just look at the class passives (and active skills).

This guy could do it.

a simple survey would show how many high health wardens are running around in BGs spamming their lovely health based healing whilst procs are doing their damage!!!

Jameson18

As I've said in other threads;

I've totally shelved my warden for pvp. He's OP in pve as well tbh but the best for covering the tank and heal role simultaneously in 4 man vet content. Have even managed to 4 man trial content anywhere mechanics don't require actual bodies. Haven't been playing him much due to it.

I have a necro as well. Pretty much the same story.

Got tired of constant whiny whispers of "nice carry class" and so on. (usually more derogatory)


I've been leveling other alts and trying other classes and builds. Finding much enjoyment. However, once your mmr is high enough, or you're in cyro or IC when things start to get any form of busy, and all you see is wardens>necros>sorc/nb>dk/temp. Generally in that order of pop, with the Warden honestly having to be close to 40%+. That and VH weps and Zaan, basically.

Its basically been turning the whole experience into something akin to a generic mobile game. So i've been diverting to alts and having fun that way. Actually quite a bit of fun.

xylena_lazarow

Jameson18 wrote: »

Got tired of constant whiny whispers of "nice carry class" and so on. (usually more derogatory)

Kill them with weird off meta jank, and they call you a "hacker" instead, along with a bunch of slurs.

Rhaegar75

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

Jameson18 wrote: »

Got tired of constant whiny whispers of "nice carry class" and so on. (usually more derogatory)

Kill them with weird off meta jank, and they call you a "hacker" instead, along with a bunch of slurs.

that is indeed pure pleasure!!!

The other evening I killed a super proccy Warden (admittedly I got lucky) and he/she obviously lost it......proverbially lost it and started ranting about Jabs being OP

Grebcol

I stopped playing PvP because it is no fun anymore in BG's or IC (and Cyro because of the lag). It is really unfun to play against warden Hordes who only play those cheap cheese Builds.

SownRose

I play on a warden, but I don't pvp much at all. I'm older, disabled and it let's me continue gaming. I made my own build and choose warden bc I love nature. She's my Snow Queen. I'm shy and love soloing 4 man dungeons (reminds me of when I was young and a badass lol). Nerf them in pvp if you want, but please leave my pve warden alone 😊
Ps. I did ok before, but my arthritis fingers couldn't keep up.