Bring Back Non Damage "Proc Sets"

Sanct16

Keep real (damage) Proc Sets (Caluurion, etc) disabled but add back sets like Seducer, New Moon, Axiom, etc etc back. No player actually considers these sets to be Proc sets and noone likes the game better without them.

Damage Proc sets are unfun. Build Diversity is fun. Why not have both?

Urzigurumash

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NordJitsu

100% this. Makes no sense to lump together Seducer/Battlefield Acrobat with Icy Conjuror or Crimson Twilight. Not even the same class of sets.

Araneae6537

I agree it would be the ideal scenario if it could be implemented. Turning off ALL proc sets was for the test and since the conclusion is that it didn’t help, no reason that I know of not to bring back the inoffensive ones that no one was asking be removed.

strepsels

Completely agree. Sets such as Clever Alchemist, Bloodspawn or Burning Spellweave should return as they have been used for years prior to the current proc meta whilst sets such as Crimson Twilight, Vateshran Destro/2H, Winterborn etc. should stay unusable in PvP as they bring no enjoyment and ruin the experience. This change was being made purely from a gameplay standpoint (they noted how the tests had no impact on performance) so I see no reason as to why normal stat based sets (which the community would not consider proc sets) to remain unusable.

Luckylancer

strepsels wrote: »

Completely agree. Sets such as Clever Alchemist, Bloodspawn or Burning Spellweave should return as they have been used for years prior to the current proc meta whilst sets such as Crimson Twilight, Vateshran Destro/2H, Winterborn etc. should stay unusable in PvP as they bring no enjoyment and ruin the experience. This change was being made purely from a gameplay standpoint (they noted how the tests had no impact on performance) so I see no reason as to why normal stat based sets (which the community would not consider proc sets) to remain unusable.

Stat proc sets promote a tankier meta. User will wear more defensive stuff and hold on, then proc the stat and go on offense. What we have right now is pure and absolute proc detox.

Non proc sets should return. I dont care what people say, warmaiden, seducer etc. are not a proc sets. Devs used bad code and that is the reason we cant use sets like war maiden right now. Fortunatly they mentioned they will expand avaible sets.

Brrrofski

Yeh, I agree.

My issue is free damage/free healing proc sets. Vat staff/crimson etc.

I also thinj monster sets should be allowed too. None of them are stupidly obnoxious and should be powerful.

Tommy_The_Gun

Tbh. they could at least bring back "non-proc" proc sets. Yes, the sets that give permanent effects / buffs, like Chudan or even NMA. I mean those are not procs, but because of how those are coded they have a server - check.

Dr_Ganknstein

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tbh. they could at least bring back "non-proc" proc sets. Yes, the sets that give permanent effects / buffs, like Chudan or even NMA. I mean those are not procs, but because of how those are coded they have a server - check.

Thats what I'm saying. I'm not paying for a game with such limited itemization. It gets boring too fast. Already cancelled sub.

actosh

I expect them to release with q3 a no proc campaign with hard list of sets that work. Think they will exclude the 0 effort dmg/healing procs.

Emma_Overload

I don't understand why sets that only boost stats are considered "proc" sets. They need to fix this.

Minnesinger

yes please!!

TheMightyRevan

zos has to turn the sets on again, its totally pointless to keep them turned off. it makes pvp so boring and it doesnt help at all

Vyseman

Nope. Just normal Proc Cyrodiil or nonProc for the next 6 Months, but then are leaving so many ppls

Valgar0r

Disable both damage / heal proc sets. Enable "stats" proc sets.

Jayserix

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, I agree.

My issue is free damage/free healing proc sets. Vat staff/crimson etc.

I also thinj monster sets should be allowed too. None of them are stupidly obnoxious and should be powerful.

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FlaviusPK

Allowing some part of the sets will make other players ask for more and more. New balance problems and such...
It's easier to close pvp, which is being done in fact. You know what to do guys.

I just was wondering. ESO has regular events, a lot of world bosses which go back to full health when being pulled far.

BattleAxe

Depending the plans for the future certain sets such as vicious death are going to need a rework as this set in particular is a proc set that is only usable within pvp as its 5 piece bonus only procs on killing an enemy player.

The above aside one benefit I would say this no proc set test has had is showing which classes are over performing compared amongst other classes

Ringod123

After watching some Youtube videos it seems clear to me that one of the dev's watched Deltia's video from about 7 days ago where he lamented IC's low pop and said how great BG's are, while also saying how Cyro is basically unplayable.
Quick way to force more people into IC is by forcing no-proc on all Cyro servers for 6 months, this to me, is clearly where the "feedback" Gina speaks of came from to make this decision.

spacefracking

Yeah, I'd prefer if it was widened to conditional stat increases. Sets with specific damage/heal procs should still be kept out.

alterfenixeb17_ESO

Jayserix wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Yeh, I agree.

My issue is free damage/free healing proc sets. Vat staff/crimson etc.

I also thinj monster sets should be allowed too. None of them are stupidly obnoxious and should be powerful.

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And also possibly every set that hits for even much less but then can be retriggered much more often (like every 5 seconds)

Dr_Ganknstein

Except for EV, that's a carry set.

alterfenixeb17_ESO

spacefracking wrote: »

Yeah, I'd prefer if it was widened to conditional stat increases. Sets with specific damage/heal procs should still be kept out.

Damage, heal and also def stat ones

Jaraal

They said they won't even have the code in place to make separate proc / no proc campaigns until Q3 at the earliest. And it could be much later..... there's no guarantee. So I'm pretty confident that they either don't know how to or don't want to start recategorizing sets at this time.

Minyassa

Yeah, I think it's pretty weird that my Healer's Habit and Naga Shaman sets can't do their healing thing. Or even my Ring of the Wild Hunt.

Seraphayel

Valgar0r wrote: »

Disable both damage / heal proc sets. Enable "stats" proc sets.

This. Or simply reduce the effect of damage and healing proc sets by 50% in PvP.

DoccEff

100% agree with the OP. Most people just come up with Crimson when arguing against proc-sets, but forget about all the sets that don‘t even have procs but were removed anyway. Please Zos, we need more build variety.
Oh and mythics would be nice too. Otherwise most of them are 100% useless now.