PvP servers return to normal once MYM ended

LightYagami

By "Normal" I meant disconnection, extremely high ping, unable to fire skills, etc.

ZOS claimed the problems are related to AOE / Proc sets, etc.

Answer me:

Do people use AOE during MYM?
Do people use Proc sets during MYM?
How many people were there in Cyrodiil and how many now?

Why are PvP servers much better during MYM?
Why are the servers IMMEDIATELY return to "normal" after MYM?

Do players suddenly stop using AOE after MYM?
Do players suddenly stop using Proc sets after MYM?

Xarc

It's AP farming session you know.
From what I noticed on many campaigns, people who usually fight and use proc sets in ballgroups prefere to farm AP by taking keeps. There are more sieges during MYM than usually, and less huge fights.

LightYagami

Xarc wrote: »

It's AP farming session you know.
From what I noticed on many campaigns, people who usually fight and use proc sets in ballgroups prefere to farm AP by taking keeps. There are more sieges during MYM than usually, and less huge fights.

I've been staying in Gray host constantly during MYM and non-MYM days.
I'm not an excellent PvPer, I usually ended up to be around top 50s of my alliance every month.

There were much more huge fights and player counts during MYM compared to usual time.

ZOS claimed the performance problems were related to AOE / proc sets, etc.
The fact is that they upgrade PvP servers during MYM, and resume the servers back to normal after MYM.
That's why the performance was better during MYM.

NeillMcAttack

They do not “upgrade” the servers during MYM.
What was the queue time for the campaign you maimed during MYM?

On Ravenwatch EU the Queue times were as high as 200-250 players deep. But I still preferred it, because there were no ball groups in there, or very little at least. It is extremely apparent that the performance in Cyro is directly correlated to the sheer amount of AOE spam.

Because there are much more diverse types of players present during MYM, lower APM players, more solo players, etc. The performance improves a great deal.
I believe ZOS know this quite well. In fact Rich stated and described precisely what is the main cause of Cyro performance deterioration, but it is almost as if they have no means of tackling the main issue without completely changing the game, or reverting certain changes (ahem U25), and they won’t/can’t do that.

Xarc

12 hardcore PVP players using proc sets and aoe spam havent the same impact on performances than 12 casual players doing pvp for the first time.

Maybe you saw more "big fights" but it wasnt the same ones.

Ringod123

Would love to know what meagserver (EU, US) and Cyro server you play on that gets better/lower latency/lag when there are more people playing.....Servers I played on EU-Gray Host were definitely NOT better during MYM and as always got worse the further away from a maintenance we got.

Joy_Division

Xarc wrote: »

12 hardcore PVP players using proc sets and aoe spam havent the same impact on performances than 12 casual players doing pvp for the first time.

Maybe you saw more "big fights" but it wasnt the same ones.

You could be right.

Still, it's annoying that it generally takes me 15 minutes of Greyhost normal PvP to get annoyed and log out whereas during MYM, I can sometimes go an entire night without logging off in frustration.

So whether the tinfoil hats are right that ZOS feeds their hamsters a little extra juice during MYM or whether PvP rewards are worth enough to entice PvErs to come play, whichever it is, it would be nice to have more than 10 days out of the year.

Kwoung

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xarc wrote: »

12 hardcore PVP players using proc sets and aoe spam havent the same impact on performances than 12 casual players doing pvp for the first time.

Maybe you saw more "big fights" but it wasnt the same ones.

You could be right.

Still, it's annoying that it generally takes me 15 minutes of Greyhost normal PvP to get annoyed and log out whereas during MYM, I can sometimes go an entire night without logging off in frustration.

So whether the tinfoil hats are right that ZOS feeds their hamsters a little extra juice during MYM or whether PvP rewards are worth enough to entice PvErs to come play, whichever it is, it would be nice to have more than 10 days out of the year.

Well if you are PCNA, most of the AD ball groups at least, moved to Blackreach for the event and performance was horrible there. It was pretty common to have at least 1/3 of your group get disconnected and dumped back to PVE, and have to queue all over again for an hour to get back in. Skill bars were locked up almost the entire time, you couldn't run or cast skills, the list goes on.. it was the biggest mess I have seen in a long time.

Jaraal

LightYagami wrote: »

ZOS claimed the performance problems were related to AOE / proc sets, etc.

Where did they say that?

LightYagami

Just some extra information...

Right before I started this discussion, my game crashed twice in Cyrodiil within 10 mins..
When I was writing, it crashed again...
so there were 3 crashes in around 15 mins....

My game was absolutely fine before entering Cyrodiil, and it was fine during the MYM...

(PCNA)

LightYagami

Jaraal wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

ZOS claimed the performance problems were related to AOE / proc sets, etc.

Where did they say that?

During the so-called "tests", they said they're trying to fix the problems of PvP servers.
What they did was conducting multiple tests to restrict how players play the game.

In a past MYM (I forgot when), iirc ZOS announced that they temporarily allocated more resources to PvP servers during MYM.

Pauwer

On ps4 the performance was great for one day after mym, after they did the maintance for the event end. I think it was thursday. The whole day and evening and night brilliant gameplay, i could even play stam nb and have skills work when playing fast moving stam char. The campaing full on all factions.

On friday it was abysmal again, forced to play aoe mag chars again. No change of being able to play any stam chars at all.

Last night, saturday, major skill delays and desynchs on all chars. I have never experienced this on such large scale. The lag was something else, never seen it like that before. Skills did work and all, but with huuuge delay. Was able blow up a ball group on stam warden lol. I could land db, shalks, heavy attack and multiple whirling blades in one sec. While other players seemed frozen in time.

Havent yet played today. Scared to see what it is like.

kapachia

LightYagami wrote: »

Jaraal wrote: »

LightYagami wrote: »

ZOS claimed the performance problems were related to AOE / proc sets, etc.

Where did they say that?

During the so-called "tests", they said they're trying to fix the problems of PvP servers.
What they did was conducting multiple tests to restrict how players play the game.

In a past MYM (I forgot when), iirc ZOS announced that they temporarily allocated more resources to PvP servers during MYM.

ZOS says different contracting statements all the time. They say lag is not hardware related (ie, even with new modern hardware upgrade, the performance wont likely change as hardware is not the main bottleneck), if you can believe that. Yes, they did say they do allocate more resource to PvP server during PvP event (if hardware is not the bottleneck for performance, why do they have to do this?).

Bottom line. We have no idea what is the truth. It probably is a balancing act between bean counters in finance screaming for Intel Atom servers and game designer wanting real hardware.

Agalloch

They are killing Cyrodiil ...week after week....

Soon Cyrodiil will be a ghost town.

They butcher the open pvp concept of this game.

LightYagami

By the way, please don't get me wrong. I like to play in a Cyrodiil with no Proc Sets.

No more boring grinding for new sets, no more p2w mythic items.


I just played for a while and it's awesome!

katorga

LightYagami wrote: »

By the way, please don't get me wrong. I like to play in a Cyrodiil with no Proc Sets.

No more boring grinding for new sets, no more p2w mythic items.


I just played for a while and it's awesome!

One problem with that, no more theorycrafting. That is foundation of the game ecosystem, and all of the "steamers" who evangelize the game to new players. Long term, excluding pvp from 90% of the gear is not a viable option, unless they start releasing some sort of pvp sets in addition to the 20 allowed sets.

Granted my main synergizes really well with a retro meta from 5 years ago .