Crafting - Traits for gold

Drammanoth

Two ideas that came to my mind in regards to reading some posts on crafting – namely, about trait materials.

Of all the traits, only Nirncrux and jewellry crafting ones are valuable. And rightfully so, because they are very rare. As for other 8 materials, they are very common, and (almost) worthless.
Thus I suggest two ideas to get the gold flowing.

Increase the amount of trait gems for armour / weapon crafting – except for jewellery and Nirncrux

Restore "Prosperous" and remove "Reinforced"

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Par 1)

During crafting we only need a single trait gem (which is fine as far as jewelry crafting and Nirncrux are concerned), but what is the worth of gems like Ruby, Quartz, Carnelian, Almandine, etc. in comparison to Fortified / Potent Nirncrux? Or jewellery trait mats? Around one gold, or less. In order to actually make the armor / weapon trait gems valuable, (thus boosting economy) the amount of gems required to craft a specific item could be increased. And the increase can be based on the amount of traits needed to craft.

Eg. Hunding requires 6 traits to be researched - one needs 6 gems of a desired trait to have it. Which means that front bar Hunding would require 12 gems (dual wield) or 6 (two handed / bow) as far as weapons are concerned.

This would be required especially in Master Writs. Again, this is to make those gems valuable, not to make things complex.

Otherwise one can craft low-lvl stuff that will be sold for pennies, researched for months, aaaaand that’s that. Basic style materials, used to craft such training gear, are slightly more expensive than that.

Par 2)

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Prosperous

Why not change it to „Increases the amount of gold found by looting slain enemies and any other containters by X per cent.”?

For beginners this would make things slightly easier. No one will waste more honing materials above Superior quality to boost such gear. Obviously, 'gold farmers' would appear, and after some time they would understand that this trait is only good for farming mobs, chests and troves - and not the whole game. When I check other peoples' builds, I usually see Divines - Mundus Stone, Sturdy - tanks, Impenetrable - PvP.

Feedback appreciated.

VaranisArano

1a)The other reason that the trait gems aren't valuable is that they just aren't useful.

Requiring more gems might make commonly used traits like infused, divines, sharpened, or impenetrable more expensive.

But Invigorating? That's gonna stay dirt cheap no matter how many gems are required because the trait isn't worth using.

1b) You should be making enough gold from materials and improvement mats through your max level daily crafting writs that increasing the value of trait gems is comparatively minor profit. Everything adds up over time, sure, but you shouldn't need to go after small fry like trait stones to start raking in the gold va crafting.

2)Prosperous hasn't been in the game for ages. It was replaced by Invigorating. Read the Notes section of the article you linked.

Funnily enough, you actually saved more gold from repairs using Impen gear than you did farming enemies while wearing prosperous gear.

Drammanoth

I linked the trait so that others could see it was there.

Did I said anything about removing "Invigorating"? I said "Reinforced" - Sardonyx, not Garnet, is required. So it can stay.

I don't care about removing Invigorating, seeing that some people actually do use it.

Yes, indeed this is about minor profit. Just as Imperial's "Diplomat".

Lumsdenml

Not sure if this is a good idea or not, but I just wanted to say that I totally forgot that there was a Prosperous trait! I kinda miss that...

volkeswagon

I would like the properous trait but reinforced is use by tanks. The invigorating trait is the one it replaced and noone uses that so replace that one. But other than that I really don't understand your suggestion. Farming trait stones other than nirncrux is and never will be a way to make gold. We find them pretty much anywhere and get them when we refine and deconstruct. I literally have thousands of them. We require 100 ore to craft a cp160 gear piece and a stack of that sells for 2-3k. There are much better ways to make gold

idk

VaranisArano wrote: »

1a)The other reason that the trait gems aren't valuable is that they just aren't useful.

This is the most insightful sentence here so far.

In reality, it is not broken so there is nothing that needs fixing.

Drammanoth

volkeswagon wrote: »

Farming trait stones other than nirncrux is and never will be a way to make gold. We find them pretty much anywhere and get them when we refine and deconstruct. I literally have thousands of them.

It would never be made a primary means to make gold, I have never suggested that. Traits are of tertiary or quartenary significance, so this would have been an additional means - both selling them and farming mobs for gold with Prosperous - and maybe for https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Collectibles_Achievements.

Besides, you don't farm them - trait gems are an extra. And non-ESO+ members may be... sick of it. Have you taken this into consideration? Sure, you can just delete them, but those who have the holy Crafting Bag don't care, which I fully understand.

idk wrote: »

it is not broken so there is nothing that needs fixing.

Yes, nothing is broken, so nothing needs fixing - adding something instead of things already existing.

wolfie1.0.

Another idea would be to require having and consuming the necessary trait stones for transmuting and reconstruction. This would make better use of them. Also they could add them into furnishing plans and use them as ingredients.

Drammanoth

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Another idea would be to require having and consuming the necessary trait stones for transmuting and reconstruction. This would make better use of them.

I completely second that.

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Also they could add them into furnishing plans and use them as ingredients.

Finally there would have been some other use for those otherwise almost worthless things.

Now, and I repeat, this idea is to make those trait gems useful, not to make them the primary or secondary means of obtaining gold.