IC is a joke

jarlragnar

Here we are again, a light wearing DK, spamming molten whip, and taking no damage from everything i hit him with. I'm wearing heavy armor, but still dying in less than 10 secs. This balance stuff is not balance.

PapaWeeb

jarlragnar wrote: »

Here we are again, a light wearing DK, spamming molten whip, and taking no damage from everything i hit him with. I'm wearing heavy armor, but still dying in less than 10 secs. This balance stuff is not balance.

How do you know they're wearing light? And so what? You can be tanky or squishy in light or in heavy. Who says a light armour DK isn't wearing Iron Blood or Pariah on their jewelry? Putting heavy armour on yourself doesn't entitle you to immortality, all it gives is a mundus-worth of resistance and a little extra healing.

Your gear and skills as a player might be rubbish, while theirs are good. Who says it's a balance problem?

idk

^^^ True, we have no way to tell what armor they are wearing and their set bonus can make a difference. The same with wearing HA, that alone does not make someone really tanky in a PvP perspective.

There is much more unknown about this matchup than known.

VaranisArano

I'm kinda curious about what you were doing/wearing to die in 10 seconds to Molten Whip spam.

dazee

VaranisArano wrote: »

I'm kinda curious about what you were doing/wearing to die in 10 seconds to Molten Whip spam.

maybe it was BSDM armor?

deleted221106-002999

OP never said opponent had armour - 'light wearing' adversary could've been carrying a torch while exploring.

dazee wrote: »

maybe it was BSDM armor?

I'm really trying to find a game-appropriate translation but coming up

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Buffed Sturdy Defensive Medium.

Joy_Division

jarlragnar wrote: »

Here we are again, a light wearing DK, spamming molten whip, and taking no damage from everything i hit him with. I'm wearing heavy armor, but still dying in less than 10 secs. This balance stuff is not balance.

Just wait until you run into a stam warden wearing 4 proc sets.

But to your point, just because you put on heavy armor, that does not make you a tank or on its own reduce damage very much from ordinary light armor. Not dying in this game has much more to do with stuff like HoTs, defensive buffs, crit resistance, damage avoidance, controlling a fight, armor set piece bonuses, etc.

jarlragnar

I'm wearing new moon with front bar venomous, back bar potentats, 25k physical and spell resistanc while buffed, and wearing velidrath, Even while blocking on back bar I'm getting wrecked. So you're telling me that while he is defiled from my blastbones, hitting him with wrecking blow, he has no trouble on healing and putting out dps. Even if he has a defense set on he has to be wearing light to get the dps bonus.

VaranisArano

jarlragnar wrote: »

I'm wearing new moon with front bar venomous, back bar potentats, 25k physical and spell resistanc while buffed, and wearing velidrath, Even while blocking on back bar I'm getting wrecked. So you're telling me that while he is defiled from my blastbones, hitting him with wrecking blow, he has no trouble on healing and putting out dps. Even if he has a defense set on he has to be wearing light to get the dps bonus.

Thanks for sharing your setup!

As Joy_Division said, not dying in ESO is more than just what gear you are wearing. Particularly in IC, you don't have to stand and take a MagDK's whip to the face repeatedly in a straight up duel. Generally speaking, close quarters combat is the place where MagDK's excel. (Whips and chains excite us, ) Which makes a certain amount of sense - DKs were originally the tank class, and ZOS tries, but really hasn't moved away from that.

What does that mean for you?
Well, it probably means reviewing your tactics.
Are you letting the MagDK corner, CC, and whale on you? Remember their Molten Whip stacks buffs the more they hit you repeatedly with it, so that's bad position to be in.
Can you escape and reset the fight if you do get cornered in a bad spot? Its IC, not a duel. You can back off, recover, and come in again. If you don't want to run, then you'd better review your ability to heal/buff/break free under sustained pressure from an opponent.
Can you get your burst damage off to take advantage of your Velidreth proc? DKs are often pretty tanky - my light armored MagDK PVP healer has about as much resistances as you do. Velidreth is a big damage proc, so you don't want to let it go to waste by letting your opponent heal through your damage in chunks with their HOTs.

But as a MagDK player, please, don't let a MagDK hit you with their whip again and again if you can avoid it. Either you stack up their buffs (Molten Whip) or you heal them (Flame Lash). The last thing you want to do is go close quarters with a MagDK and then let them whale on you like you're a PVE dungeon boss - that's where a MagDK is most effective.

idk

jarlragnar wrote: »

I'm wearing new moon with front bar venomous, back bar potentats, 25k physical and spell resistanc while buffed, and wearing velidrath, Even while blocking on back bar I'm getting wrecked. So you're telling me that while he is defiled from my blastbones, hitting him with wrecking blow, he has no trouble on healing and putting out dps. Even if he has a defense set on he has to be wearing light to get the dps bonus.

As Joy and Varanis have pointed out, much more goes into survival than what is listed here. The first and most important aspect of survival in PvP is avoiding and mitigating damage actively.

You point out your opponent is healing themselves, what are you using to heal yourself and are you using it? When on your back bar blocking are you just turtling up or doing damage and healing yourself?

Waffennacht

jarlragnar wrote: »

I'm wearing new moon with front bar venomous, back bar potentats, 25k physical and spell resistanc while buffed, and wearing velidrath, Even while blocking on back bar I'm getting wrecked. So you're telling me that while he is defiled from my blastbones, hitting him with wrecking blow, he has no trouble on healing and putting out dps. Even if he has a defense set on he has to be wearing light to get the dps bonus.

So you have 0 defense and like mediocre offense - you're running two proc sets with 0 synergy.

Velidreth is a decent monster helm, but is can be avoided. It also does not help your stats
Venomous is another proc set - but should be paired with 2h charge and unleashed terror or merciless charge
Though youd be going full proc medium armor for such a thing.

However you say youre heavy armor, missing out on juicy medium armor passives; have 2 proc sets that give little more than some crit chance.

You have potentates; which IMO is only good if you're also running spell wall and spam it on cool down as your main defense.

Dots are gonna destroy your blocking

So, you wont be hitting very hard and you have 0 defense.

Oh btw, 25k resistance is like nothing. 3k pen from sharp, 5k ish from a probable fracture, (CP?) if they are using Bal, potentially 10k pen (closer to 5 most likely) could be running a set like spriggans for another 5k. Easily 10 - 20k penetration; meaning you are mitigating like 8% damage max via resistance

BaiterOfZergs

Remember the first year of bgs and someone accused me of doing nothing but wearing heavy armor. Keep in mind that I only ever used light and medium.

Unless you see what they have on yourself you can’t assume it.

West93

Dk probably had overwhelming surge, grothdarr with malacath hand.

Basically procs did his most damage and your 7 piece impen did not helped you at all.

LightYagami

What often I meet in IC are usually NB gankers.
Some of them hide next to the doors and hit people trying to open the door and go to the next region.

xshatox

LightYagami wrote: »

What often I meet in IC are usually NB gankers.
Some of them hide next to the doors and hit people trying to open the door and go to the next region.

That is what nb are only good for. That and bombing. You can build brawler nb but there are far better class for that.

Also people normally lower their awareness and let their buff run out when about to change zone. In PVP area I think we should always apply buff and HOT, this is especially important in IC and battleground, for cyrodiil we can relax a bit. That is why when you see a ball group they always spam cross heal and buff, sometime even rapid, even when they are just stand around waiting for enemies.