Official ZOS stance on rogue scroll taking

mullins07

Hi,

I would like to request the official stance of ZOS regarding the issue whereby a rogue player takes a scroll in Cyrodiil with the intention of either (a) wasting time for the attacking alliance by carrying it away from the destination or not moving it all, or (b), carrying it towards an opposition alliance so that it can be easily taken by them.

It would appear to be an exploitation of game mechanics to give an advantage to an opposition alliance. It does occur quite regularly with no obvious repercussions despite reports being submitted.

Is this manner of playing considered acceptable under the terms and conditions of ESO?
Can consideration be given to adding a mechanism within the game to prevent the situation occurring?

WombatNipples65

This has been asked before (I can't find the post) but they have said that scroll trolling is completely fine and not breaking ToS.

jaws343

There are perfectly valid, tactical reasons to do things like that though. Players flock towards the scrolls. So moving the scroll to an enemy faction has the potential to pit your two opposing factions in a fight to get the scroll, while your faction takes keeps. Or, sitting a scroll in a position and killing enemies who attack is a way to draw the defense out of keeps and make them easier to attack. Running a scroll from the temple to you home keeps is one way to lose your home keeps when the enemy faction comes knocking for their scroll.

idk

WombatNipples65 wrote: »

This has been asked before (I can't find the post) but they have said that scroll trolling is completely fine and not breaking ToS.

This is what I would expect. Ofc, if the do use actions that are against the ToS while doing this then those actions are in violation, but not the actual taking of the scroll.

Those that were into PvP from the beginning may remember that two players, one friendly to the alliance another an enemy, worked together to take a scroll from being the closed gates of the friendly alliance. (BTW, we had faction locks back then). Zos made it so it could not be done again because it made defending the scroll impossible, but they did not punish the players.

MKintr

The same behaviour can be seen with volendrung. Rogue players hand it to the enemy or jump in slaughterfish-waters to block it.
There are even rumours that some players sell scrolls or the hammer for money to the enemy.
It seems it's tolerated by ZOS and hated by players.

thegreat_one

How else are they going to make PVP so unbearable that we all just quit and buy new chapters and DLC

SgtNuttzmeg

The problem when it comes to an issue like this is that there are many different people in the alliance wars with different goals. Some guilds like to take objectives to generate massive fights, this is because they are trying to make things more challenging, while others care about the actual results of the campaigns.

If ZOS really wanted to fix this they would fix the reward system for pvp. Currently there is no AP granted for returning a scroll or even capturing one. The quest is laughable at best and even the mailed rewards are pretty ***. The only thing you really get from winning a campaign is transmutation stones and those are pretty easy to get.

osthyvel

scroll trolling is literally players like myself and RK that have played since BETA that want to have unique fights in places that are not DIRECTLY on the path of transitus between keeps. the fact that y'all have probably seen 1/10th of the map that i have is telling. maybe stop being complete zerglings and think OUTSIDE of the box.

Telel

MKintr wrote: »

The same behaviour can be seen with volendrung. Rogue players hand it to the enemy or jump in slaughterfish-waters to block it.
There are even rumours that some players sell scrolls or the hammer for money to the enemy.
It seems it's tolerated by ZOS and hated by players.

A few months back there was this notoriously toxic guild that spent most of its time hiding on whichever faction had the most numbers. They'd do all manner of low brow things including threatening female players, acts of simulated sexual assault on children and women, sabotaging PUGs, Using alts to tell them where to find other players and or VD comb them, etc.

All just to prove how desperate they were for even the most middling of acknowledgements.

Just before faction lock became a thing they were even caught claiming that they were being paid by this or that person to sabotage scroll runs. Then they'd demand everyone report other players.

All in some weird attempt to prove they needed the attention...

The latter of which Telel has in clips taken from one of the streams where they pulled this malarkey. Sadly khajiit can't post the clips of them here due to ZOS's naming and shaming rules. They are however in the highlights section on Telel's twitch channel.

Several of those same disappointments are still in cyrodiil today.

Pauwer

Uuhh yeah it's just a game n all, but it's such a facepalm moment when someone jumps off niben bridge or something with the scroll.

ks888

Farming with scrolls can be fun. Not everyone plays for map objectives. Lots of us play just for fun fights.

Quite often, taking a scroll and farming it for a while (when a good group holds it for a long time) pulls a lot of heat off keeps for people to take or take back. TBH if zone understood this and just went with it, those who care about the camp score would see it as an opportunity to gain ground while peeps are distracted by a scroll or the hammer.

Just like organized groups - scroll farms and holding a keep til the zerg shows up to get rid of you serves a purpose and often an advantage if people just thought an extra few moments about it.

Lastly, we should all have the freedom to enjoy the game our way.

Crown

MKintr wrote: »

The same behaviour can be seen with volendrung. Rogue players hand it to the enemy.

I once picked up the hammer then let my wife kill me on her EP toon, pick it up, then she went to kill someone so that she could get the achievement and the hammer housing item (it's pretty cool looking in a house). She doesn't PvP and hardly plays the game anymore, so it was a quick and easy method to achieve her goal of getting the housing item without having to spend too much time.

I also told @Pain In The Axe that he could come get it from me a few times, then killed him when he showed up ;-)

The ZOS position has always been that you can play how you want, and if you're role playing as a traitor to your faction, someone with zero understanding, someone who doesn't care about the faction, or someone who wants to help a friend get the housing item, then there's nothing against the TOS and they don't have anything against it.

midgetfromtheshire

There's nothing wrong with using the scroll so groups can farm zergs that flock to it. If you care about the score then power to you, alot of players are looking for fights.

MKintr

midgetfromtheshire wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with using the scroll so groups can farm zergs that flock to it. If you care about the score then power to you, alot of players are looking for fights.

It's a mistake to think this will work well. After some time you can't hold up enough defenders. Dead players have to wait for the cooldown, until they can res in a camp again or they have to travel from a further away keep. This weakens the defense and can easily lead to getting overpowered.
Even more with volendrung, that gives no healing to the holder and despawns after x changing of hands.
Keeping a scroll for a prolonged time gives the faction a higher bonus then some short-term farming.

Beardimus

mullins07 wrote: »

Hi,

I would like to request the official stance of ZOS regarding the issue whereby a rogue player takes a scroll in Cyrodiil with the intention of either (a) wasting time for the attacking alliance by carrying it away from the destination or not moving it all, or (b), carrying it towards an opposition alliance so that it can be easily taken by them.

It would appear to be an exploitation of game mechanics to give an advantage to an opposition alliance. It does occur quite regularly with no obvious repercussions despite reports being submitted.

Is this manner of playing considered acceptable under the terms and conditions of ESO?
Can consideration be given to adding a mechanism within the game to prevent the situation occurring?

The cheating in Cyrodiil ruins it, you are right @mullins07 Boosting, turning of siege by allies, scrolls to the enemy, alliance hopping for nefarious purpose s etc etc

Opinion is split on this forum, folks will flood your thread to say it's ok, it's normal, cries of 'SPAI'S BEING LIES' etc but the sooner all the shady nonsense in Cyro is cleared up the better for everyone I say.

It discourages new PvPers like nothing else but the milenials don't care they want their fun and don't care it ruins it for others / themselevs long run

VaranisArano

midgetfromtheshire wrote: »

There's nothing wrong with using the scroll so groups can farm zergs that flock to it. If you care about the score then power to you, alot of players are looking for fights.

Depends.

I don't mind it if the group using it to farm did all the work to get the scroll, but if they piggybacked off the rest of the faction's effort to get the scroll in the first place then grabbed it and went off to make AP by themselves, it's pretty annoying. And don't do it with a home scroll. That's blocking us from grabbing two other scrolls, so just don't.

xshatox

I remember back when there are no faction lock, a couple guys will switch and get scroll and offer them to highest bidder. It can fetch upward 1M back then and there some guild/player willing to pay.

I think ZOS already prevent this by faction locking, 1 hour timeout/auto reset, elemental damage when trapped on enemy scroll temple. So far there no other way to prevent this. And player find way to circumvent it like change hand before 1 hour time up, wait at the temple gate just before last keep change alliance and gate open.

heng14rwb17_ESO

TRAITOR AND SPY MUST BE EXECUTED !!!

StevieKingslayer

Scroll trolling gives people fights. It isnt even as bad as it used to be.

If the maps basically dead, one small group can take a scroll and cause some action on an otherwise dead/dying map. You can't penalize people for having fun that causes literally no harm to anything. Fact is, The scroll trolls are keeping Greyhost alive at the time I play, otherwise it's just boring nonsense over one farm.