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Make radiant apex mounts buyable
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Sporvan✭✭✭✭✭Even if this is something ridiculous like 3k Gems to buy a Radiant - it needs to happen.
So many seasons I want a specific one and end up with another one. With an already obscenely low drop rate it just is so demoralizing when this happens.
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Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.1 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.
Well you should pitch these ideas to their sales team, or shareholders, or investors and show them what they are missing out on.0 -
Solariken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Money talks, bullsnip walks.
The only way ZOS would change this practice is if people don't fall for it. Sadly there are just too many poor saps happily getting milked.
The only thing you can do is vote with your dollar. Don't feed that evil machine.4 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.
Well you should pitch these ideas to their sales team, or shareholders, or investors and show them what they are missing out on.
I’m not arguing that the Crown crates aren’t most profitable. In fact, they must be profitable enough that missing out on some direct sales to customers like me aren’t worth worrying about. My point is that it seems ridiculous to me to say it’s RNG crates or nothing. That’s all. I’m saying that it’s only logical that ZOS would adapt a different sales tactic if the majority of customers felt as I did and bought no loot crates. Rotate different costumes, hairstyles, etc. through the Crown store each month and I’d absolutely be spending more.0 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.
Well you should pitch these ideas to their sales team, or shareholders, or investors and show them what they are missing out on.
I’m not arguing that the Crown crates aren’t most profitable. In fact, they must be profitable enough that missing out on some direct sales to customers like me aren’t worth worrying about. My point is that it seems ridiculous to me to say it’s RNG crates or nothing. That’s all. I’m saying that it’s only logical that ZOS would adapt a different sales tactic if the majority of customers felt as I did and bought no loot crates. Rotate different costumes, hairstyles, etc. through the Crown store each month and I’d absolutely be spending more.
But they AREN'T doing that....so it appears not enough people feel the same way you do. And there is no information that suggests they haven't considered all business models possible.0 -
Araneae6537✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.
Well you should pitch these ideas to their sales team, or shareholders, or investors and show them what they are missing out on.
I’m not arguing that the Crown crates aren’t most profitable. In fact, they must be profitable enough that missing out on some direct sales to customers like me aren’t worth worrying about. My point is that it seems ridiculous to me to say it’s RNG crates or nothing. That’s all. I’m saying that it’s only logical that ZOS would adapt a different sales tactic if the majority of customers felt as I did and bought no loot crates. Rotate different costumes, hairstyles, etc. through the Crown store each month and I’d absolutely be spending more.
But they AREN'T doing that....so it appears not enough people feel the same way you do. And there is no information that suggests they haven't considered all business models possible.
Please read my whole post. My point from the first has been that if they no longer sold Crown crates, ZOS would use other effective marketing strategies — that is all. It seems ludicrous to say they would simply shut down the game if Crown crates didn’t sell when there are other marketing strategies. Yes, of course ZOS will have considered various models and must have determined RNG crates most effective as they seem to emphasize these and use other tactics rather minimally now. No, I don’t expect that to change, either on ZOS’s side or the player’s — indeed. most players don’t feel as I do and are evidently happy to buy RNG crates. That’s fine. My point is purely academic. 1 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.
Well you should pitch these ideas to their sales team, or shareholders, or investors and show them what they are missing out on.
I’m not arguing that the Crown crates aren’t most profitable. In fact, they must be profitable enough that missing out on some direct sales to customers like me aren’t worth worrying about. My point is that it seems ridiculous to me to say it’s RNG crates or nothing. That’s all. I’m saying that it’s only logical that ZOS would adapt a different sales tactic if the majority of customers felt as I did and bought no loot crates. Rotate different costumes, hairstyles, etc. through the Crown store each month and I’d absolutely be spending more.
But they AREN'T doing that....so it appears not enough people feel the same way you do. And there is no information that suggests they haven't considered all business models possible. Please read my whole post. My point from the first has been that if they no longer sold Crown crates, ZOS would use other effective marketing strategies — that is all. It seems ludicrous to say they would simply shut down the game if Crown crates didn’t sell when there are other marketing strategies. Yes, of course ZOS will have considered various models and must have determined RNG crates most effective as they seem to emphasize these and use other tactics rather minimally now. No, I don’t expect that to change, either on ZOS’s side or the player’s — indeed. most players don’t feel as I do and are evidently happy to buy RNG crates. That’s fine. My point is purely academic.
But probably not MORE effective strategies. Which is probably why they keep crates in the game.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »Araneae6537 wrote: »If everyone STOPPED buying into the crate crap, then they WOULD go back to selling direct. You people buying crates are what's stopping that happening. Every crate bought is telling them that this predatory business plan is working - for them.
No, they'd just put more and more things people have requested in there, with some of the better reskins/retextures, until people cave and go back to buying. It's too profitable to give up. Especially when they know they'll win out in the end.
No, @AlienSlof is right. I don’t buy crates at all with any currency and when I do sell Crowns, I won’t do so for Crates (what others do with their money is not my business but I won’t support these at all). I have bought RNG crates in other games, but only when I can sell items I don’t want. I will never buy them so long as that is not the case. It can make me frustrated as there have been things I would have really liked to have bought directly, but there are also plenty of items (especially the skins and Peryite mounts) that I wouldn’t use if they were free.
I’ve just had to accept that enough people will buy some number of crates that making additional ways to obtain these items is either just not worth it to ZOS or could potentially reduce their total profits. It has made me quite frustrated at times and even a bit insulted that even as a subscriber the only way to get many cool items is through this stupid system. But I still love ESO so I try to ignore all that stuff and focus on the things that I can obtain in game, such as the Indriks, which I happen to really like, and working on collecting various motifs, achievement furnishings, etc.
No, he's wrong. This notion that if everyone stopped buying crates Zos would sell everything directly is just false. They would do what so many others have done and become more aggressive and restrictive. Instead of what we have now, EVERYTHING would be in crates. How can you guys not see this?
If no one bought crates, no matter what was or was not in them, then ZOS would surely try other methods such as selling more things directly, probably more frequent limited tome sales for different options — that’s been shown to be an effective tactic too, has it not? We can only assume that it is less profitable than Crown crates with how many buy them. If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
But this is all purely academic. Lots of people buy Crown crates and I see no reason to expect that to change.
And I think that is really your argument, no? People not buying crates wouldn’t work because they would easily cave and buy them, or something like that. Well, I can’t argue that since I don’t think people will stop buying them in the first place so... 🤷🏻♀️ But IF people stopped buying crates and were stubborn about it, then yes of course ZOS would try another tactic — why wouldn’t they?
Nah. That's not how businesses work, least of all game businesses, and MMO businesses fewer still.
If every single person stopped all at once, and I'm taking not a single crate sold, ZoS wouldn't say "Oh, maybe we should change tactics, since people hate these." They'll say, "Oh, maybe we're not putting enough fancy/exclusive stuff in there to make people buy them." Or their directors/investors will say, "This project isn't making much money anymore, maybe it's time to just pull the plug then, if you can't sell something people want to buy."
I mean, you're right that people aren't gonna stop in the first place. But if they DID, the outcome wouldn't be in any way positive.
This. I've worked in sales long enough to expect this to be the outcome.
That sounds pretty ludicrous to me. 🤨 Let’s see, GW2 has much less locked behind RNG crates and cash shop sales is the ONLY way that game makes money besides highly infrequent expansions. And ESO too sells some things directly and surely make money that way. It makes no sense at all that they would not try other successful strategies. But of course I don’t expect that people will stop buying Crown Crates and only wish that they would offer more items directly for sale in addition. Ah well.
Well you should pitch these ideas to their sales team, or shareholders, or investors and show them what they are missing out on.
I’m not arguing that the Crown crates aren’t most profitable. In fact, they must be profitable enough that missing out on some direct sales to customers like me aren’t worth worrying about. My point is that it seems ridiculous to me to say it’s RNG crates or nothing. That’s all. I’m saying that it’s only logical that ZOS would adapt a different sales tactic if the majority of customers felt as I did and bought no loot crates. Rotate different costumes, hairstyles, etc. through the Crown store each month and I’d absolutely be spending more.
But they AREN'T doing that....so it appears not enough people feel the same way you do. And there is no information that suggests they haven't considered all business models possible. Please read my whole post. My point from the first has been that if they no longer sold Crown crates, ZOS would use other effective marketing strategies — that is all. It seems ludicrous to say they would simply shut down the game if Crown crates didn’t sell when there are other marketing strategies. Yes, of course ZOS will have considered various models and must have determined RNG crates most effective as they seem to emphasize these and use other tactics rather minimally now. No, I don’t expect that to change, either on ZOS’s side or the player’s — indeed. most players don’t feel as I do and are evidently happy to buy RNG crates. That’s fine. My point is purely academic.
But probably not MORE effective strategies. Which is probably why they keep crates in the game.
Oh of course! I don’t disagree there!
Although I wish more players had my purchase preferences so there would be more for me to buy... or maybe I should be glad that my temptations are limited, lol! 
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akdave0✭✭✭✭Ok, what my op was saying is that there should be the option to buy the radiant mounts outright. If you want to roll the dice, that’s still an option. But if you have the crowns or the gems to buy, we as consumers should have that ability to buy.1 -
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✭✭Ok, what my op was saying is that there should be the option to buy the radiant mounts outright. If you want to roll the dice, that’s still an option. But if you have the crowns or the gems to buy, we as consumers should have that ability to buy.
Whether I think this would be a good idea or not, would depend on how many gems it would cost to buy out right. ZOS is a For Profit company that needs to drive as much profit as possible, so we can't ask them to go negative on an individual product or online good (not fair to them).
Also, the game should not be about distributing everything evenly to all players to make sure every player has the same things as every other player....not every player is going to financially be able to buy every item, some items will be "exclusive" due to cost OR rarity. Exclusivity must remain, so what pricing structure for the Rare Apex drops would you apply that keeps all of these things in tact?0 -
Hanokihs✭✭✭✭✭Money talks, bullsnip walks.
The only way ZOS would change this practice is if people don't fall for it. Sadly there are just too many poor saps happily getting milked.
The only thing you can do is vote with your dollar. Don't feed that evil machine.
I've said it since crate #1: Refusing to buy crates when you can afford to purchase them doesn't send the message that they should quit. It just makes you miss out on things you want, if you want them, and you're then unhappy in two directions instead of one. It's too profitable for this to work; not enough people are willing to live with FOMO just to prove a point.
The only way the crates will stop selling is if they put enough hideous stuff in there for a long enough time that the overwhelming majority of players lose interest in them. (Personally, I figured Xanmeer would kill the crate system, but now they whipped these out of their sleeves, and I bet sales will boom again)."I haven't really played much yet, but lemme tell you all about how the game should include X and be a lot more like Y!" - Half the posters on this forum."I've been here for years, and lemme tell you all about how they should never change or evolve Z, because then the game would be ruined forever." - The other half of posters on this forum.2 -
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✭✭Money talks, bullsnip walks.
The only way ZOS would change this practice is if people don't fall for it. Sadly there are just too many poor saps happily getting milked.
The only thing you can do is vote with your dollar. Don't feed that evil machine.
I've said it since crate #1: Refusing to buy crates when you can afford to purchase them doesn't send the message that they should quit. It just makes you miss out on things you want, if you want them, and you're then unhappy in two directions instead of one. It's too profitable for this to work; not enough people are willing to live with FOMO just to prove a point.
The only way the crates will stop selling is if they put enough hideous stuff in there for a long enough time that the overwhelming majority of players lose interest in them. (Personally, I figured Xanmeer would kill the crate system, but now they whipped these out of their sleeves, and I bet sales will boom again).
Yup, a lot of people think "voting with your wallet" is as simple as on or off. That if it's "off", ZOS will "get the point...". But those people don't know what the data and trends ACTUALLY show. It's a little more complicated with that.
The majority of people vote with their wallets when it comes to buying a Ferrari, or Lambo, or Nissan GTR even if that is not their intention.....yet....none of those companies are out of business. Because their target demographic ISN'T Joe Schmoe who "splurged" one day and bought 3000 crowns.......it's the guy who spends that daily as a minimum.Edited by Goregrinder on 20 December 2019 18:202 -
tactx✭✭✭✭✭I don't know why they don't do this. To get 5,000 gems is still a LOT of crown crates. They should have a separate radiant mount tab where you can choose your mount for 5k gems.“No one's happiness but my own is in my power to achieve or to destroy.” - John Galt, Atlas Shrugged0 -
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How to lose your money and mind with crates trying to get RAdiant Apex...
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He spent a lot of money, but he didn't maximise his gems by cashing things like riding lessons in.
He did get enough gems before he bought some more Crowns for another apex, though.
So, that means he effectively got 3 apex mounts for $200 (or just over).
So, that would be about $66 each, if you ignore everything else he got.
Then he got 3 more, with his second Crowns purchase, even though two were duplicates.
By the end of it, he could have bought all the remaining apexes (bearing in mind he already had 900+ gems before he started), then he could have gone for the radiants, but he didn't seem to understand that is how it works (which is totally understandable).
Also, he didn't seem to know what a target dummy was for...
I don't buy crates, anymore, unless I like a large number of the items in the particular season and that obviously has to include pretty much all of the apex mounts.
Just not worth it, otherwise.
I bought a few crates when I first came back to the game - I was luckier than this guy and got some apex mounts.
However, they just happened to be apex mounts I will never use and can't trade in for others, so that put me off doing that again.
But, for people with gambling issues, crates are a nightmare.
This guy was angry, but another guy I saw was (literally) crying.Edited by Tigerseye on 18 January 2020 07:321 -
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The only way the crates will stop selling is if they put enough hideous stuff in there for a long enough time that the overwhelming majority of players lose interest in them. (Personally, I figured Xanmeer would kill the crate system, but now they whipped these out of their sleeves, and I bet sales will boom again).
I don't like these ones.
Only thing I liked was the Harbor Mutt and I bought him with (mostly free) gems.
Actually, I liked the deer as well, but that disappeared.
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✭✭✭Goregrinder wrote: »I'd probably make it closer to 5k gems.
I'm not sure what kind of truly spectacular virtual mount it would have to be to make me spend that, or the equivalent?
Unless I already really wanted all the apexes and most of the pets in a season, which has only ever happened to me with one season, so far.
I don't think the level of beauty it would take is conceivable to the human mind.Edited by Tigerseye on 18 January 2020 07:340 -
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✭✭✭I like the current system. The only thing i would change is to make older seasons cheaper and more available
Current season and 3 seasons prior = full price
4-7 seasons prior=25% off
all other seasons =50% off
Older seasons are ran in the order they appeared, changing every 2 weeks and run concurrently with the current season. That seasons gem would be available as well.
Other than that crown crates are fine as they are. Not everyone needs to have access to them or be able to get the items out of them. Just like not everyone needs their own private island, private jet, or 34 cars in a 48 car garage.1 -
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✭✭✭✭That would actually get me to buy more crown crates. I do not expect to win radiant mounts. I accepted immediately that my luck is the sort that will never, ever allow me to win radiant mounts. So I'm not going to attempt it. But if it was something I could work toward, through saving up gems, I would probably break my bank.0 -
Kiyakotari✭✭✭✭✭Araneae6537 wrote: »If everything was in Crates, I would still not buy them. If they went so far as to take away things currently in the game and restrict them to crates, I would stop playing. The more I feel like I am being pressured / manipulated into doing something, the more set against it I become.
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2) Oppositional Defiant Disorder isn't necessarily a bad thing - sometimes it helps us not be manipulated.
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