Does Crafting Material Nodes Correspond With Your Character Level?

redgreensunset

What it says on the tin. Does nodes for crafting materials correspond with your character level instead of what your crafting level is?

I'm asking because I'm a level 27 character and have Jewel Crafting at level 7 (I started it late as I'm new and still figuring everything out). Problem is that I'm only getting copper nodes, no pewter, yet I can't level Jewel Crafting up until it's level 14. But copper is what I would be using if I could make character level corresponding items.
Please help out a confused newcomer. I love the game but it's a wee bit overwhelming, not to mention confusing.

VaranisArano

Its supposed to be 50% your level and 50% your skill rank in the first passive in the crafting skill tree.

So you should still be getting some pewter nodes, though the quickest way to level a craft is to deconstruct jewelry rather than crafting it.

redgreensunset

VaranisArano wrote: »

Its supposed to be 50% your level and 50% your skill rank in the first passive in the crafting skill tree.

So you should still be getting some pewter nodes, though the quickest way to level a craft is to deconstruct jewelry rather than crafting it.

I'm not so much on quick as I'm on cheap. And I like running around after mat nodes. I'm weird like that.
So far I've had just shy of 30 mat node for Jewelry and only copper. Possibly the rng hates me. Or loves me as I'll have that copper for later.
If all else fails I can check the guild traders for stuff. Suppose buying rings and/or necklaces and deconstructing them would be the cheapest/most efficient way of doing that if I'm going that route.

Still I'll give it another go tomorrow and see what turns up then. And thanks for the answer.

ghastley

It does look like you should be getting 50% pewter, and 50% copper with those levels. Do you have the Keen Eye passive to help see the nodes? You might be getting pewter nodes that you're just not noticing, as they're the most rock-like of the bunch, and some regions make it harder to see them.

The material for your daily writs should always be available for gathering, even if it's only half the time.

For a pure crafter, it's common for the crafting passive to let you make things you can't yet use. The idea behind the 50/50 split is that half are the level for your writs, and the other half are for making items for yourself.

FlopsyPrince

The split is generally 50/50 in my experience. I bet you just didn't notice or scan enough nodes.

Do a jewelry survey and you should get that exact split.

redgreensunset

ghastley wrote: »

It does look like you should be getting 50% pewter, and 50% copper with those levels. Do you have the Keen Eye passive to help see the nodes? You might be getting pewter nodes that you're just not noticing, as they're the most rock-like of the bunch, and some regions make it harder to see them.

The material for your daily writs should always be available for gathering, even if it's only half the time.

For a pure crafter, it's common for the crafting passive to let you make things you can't yet use. The idea behind the 50/50 split is that half are the level for your writs, and the other half are for making items for yourself.

Well I ended up power levelling up to copper so it's no longer an issue, but yes I did have Keen Eyes. I chose it for Jewel Crafting and Alchemy since I had such a hard time spotting nodes for those two and copper vastly outnumbered pewter.

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

The split is generally 50/50 in my experience. I bet you just didn't notice or scan enough nodes.

Do a jewelry survey and you should get that exact split.

You're assuming I had one of those back when I wrote the op? Perhaps I should have been clearer that when I said "newcomer" about myself I meant, "I arrived in this game less than a week ago and it took me several days to even realize that ther was an "extra" crafting type that you can't get certified the same place as everthing esle bcause... god knows why. I quite literally just started at Jewel Crafting". Or had back then.
Anyway, I ended up throwing some money at the problem because it annoyed me so much.

I really love this game but it is without question one of the most confusing ones to get into as a newcomer. There are many things that are either not explained or explained very badly. Like the Jewel Crafting, that it's even there and how to get certification, and where to find the guy who can do it. (Tangent, why the flying **** do I have to do to that elven island I never can recall the name of for this one thing? As a newcomer it's comepletely illogical and mildly annoying once you realize.)

FlopsyPrince

This game has a LOT of little things to learn, that is certain.

What level were you when you discovered JC and power leveled to Copper? I recall it flips to copper for your level about 16, so it is possible your power leveling put you where your skill also placed you. I have never gone that quickly with any character, but I would expect it to be 50% - your level and 50% - crafting level. Though I always went with the crafting level being lower.

redgreensunset

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This game has a LOT of little things to learn, that is certain.

What level were you when you discovered JC and power leveled to Copper? I recall it flips to copper for your level about 16, so it is possible your power leveling put you where your skill also placed you. I have never gone that quickly with any character, but I would expect it to be 50% - your level and 50% - crafting level. Though I always went with the crafting level being lower.

Okay one thing to clear up I didn't power level at first, I chose to eventually because I got annoyed at the lack of pewter nodes and it seemed like the path of least annoyance to me.

But to answer you question.
I think I was about level 15 when I realized that there was yet another form of crafting I had not yet learned. I found out by randomly running into the Jewel Crafting table in Daggerfall and going 'huh?'. Then spend a good 20 minutes of 'Google and read' figuring out if/how this could be done, where to get certified and then getting my posterior to that elven city.
It would be very odd if it flipped to copper at 16 though, because you can't use copper jewelry until you're 26. (But perhaps that was a typo?) Regardless, I spend more time questing than crafting and though the other skills kept pace nicely Jewel Crafting was lacking sorely behind, so that when I hit 26 - and as far as I recall that was when I began seeing copper nodes - I was still very far off from being able to use copper.
It wasn't after first asking here and then some additional days of annoyance of getting nearly no pewter - yes I had Keen Eyes as I said - that I decided to throw some gold at the issue and be done with it. As Jewel Crafting is still lagging behind my character level I can't wait to see what happens once I outlevel it again.

For what it is worth it is only Jewel Crafting that seemed to do that, right now my Clothier rank is far higher than what I can use but I have no issue getting both spider silk and ebon thread.

FlopsyPrince

redgreensunset wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This game has a LOT of little things to learn, that is certain.

What level were you when you discovered JC and power leveled to Copper? I recall it flips to copper for your level about 16, so it is possible your power leveling put you where your skill also placed you. I have never gone that quickly with any character, but I would expect it to be 50% - your level and 50% - crafting level. Though I always went with the crafting level being lower.

Okay one thing to clear up I didn't power level at first, I chose to eventually because I got annoyed at the lack of pewter nodes and it seemed like the path of least annoyance to me.

But to answer you question.
I think I was about level 15 when I realized that there was yet another form of crafting I had not yet learned. I found out by randomly running into the Jewel Crafting table in Daggerfall and going 'huh?'. Then spend a good 20 minutes of 'Google and read' figuring out if/how this could be done, where to get certified and then getting my posterior to that elven city.
It would be very odd if it flipped to copper at 16 though, because you can't use copper jewelry until you're 26. (But perhaps that was a typo?) Regardless, I spend more time questing than crafting and though the other skills kept pace nicely Jewel Crafting was lacking sorely behind, so that when I hit 26 - and as far as I recall that was when I began seeing copper nodes - I was still very far off from being able to use copper.
It wasn't after first asking here and then some additional days of annoyance of getting nearly no pewter - yes I had Keen Eyes as I said - that I decided to throw some gold at the issue and be done with it. As Jewel Crafting is still lagging behind my character level I can't wait to see what happens once I outlevel it again.

For what it is worth it is only Jewel Crafting that seemed to do that, right now my Clothier rank is far higher than what I can use but I have no issue getting both spider silk and ebon thread.

When I say "copper at 16" I mean your character's level, not the crafting level. I don't see how anyone can keep those in sync, but perhaps burning a LOT of gold could do that. I find a mix of pewter and copper on characters that match that. I rarely find the others since I tend to level my character (toward CP160) faster than the chance to get a lot of them.

redgreensunset

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This game has a LOT of little things to learn, that is certain.

What level were you when you discovered JC and power leveled to Copper? I recall it flips to copper for your level about 16, so it is possible your power leveling put you where your skill also placed you. I have never gone that quickly with any character, but I would expect it to be 50% - your level and 50% - crafting level. Though I always went with the crafting level being lower.

Okay one thing to clear up I didn't power level at first, I chose to eventually because I got annoyed at the lack of pewter nodes and it seemed like the path of least annoyance to me.

But to answer you question.
I think I was about level 15 when I realized that there was yet another form of crafting I had not yet learned. I found out by randomly running into the Jewel Crafting table in Daggerfall and going 'huh?'. Then spend a good 20 minutes of 'Google and read' figuring out if/how this could be done, where to get certified and then getting my posterior to that elven city.
It would be very odd if it flipped to copper at 16 though, because you can't use copper jewelry until you're 26. (But perhaps that was a typo?) Regardless, I spend more time questing than crafting and though the other skills kept pace nicely Jewel Crafting was lacking sorely behind, so that when I hit 26 - and as far as I recall that was when I began seeing copper nodes - I was still very far off from being able to use copper.
It wasn't after first asking here and then some additional days of annoyance of getting nearly no pewter - yes I had Keen Eyes as I said - that I decided to throw some gold at the issue and be done with it. As Jewel Crafting is still lagging behind my character level I can't wait to see what happens once I outlevel it again.

For what it is worth it is only Jewel Crafting that seemed to do that, right now my Clothier rank is far higher than what I can use but I have no issue getting both spider silk and ebon thread.

When I say "copper at 16" I mean your character's level, not the crafting level. I don't see how anyone can keep those in sync, but perhaps burning a LOT of gold could do that. I find a mix of pewter and copper on characters that match that. I rarely find the others since I tend to level my character (toward CP160) faster than the chance to get a lot of them.

When I said level 26 I meant character level too. Check in the game, you can't use copper jewelry until 26 though every other wearable item it's 16. Don't know why there's a difference but there is.

Dagoth_Rac

redgreensunset wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This game has a LOT of little things to learn, that is certain.

What level were you when you discovered JC and power leveled to Copper? I recall it flips to copper for your level about 16, so it is possible your power leveling put you where your skill also placed you. I have never gone that quickly with any character, but I would expect it to be 50% - your level and 50% - crafting level. Though I always went with the crafting level being lower.

Okay one thing to clear up I didn't power level at first, I chose to eventually because I got annoyed at the lack of pewter nodes and it seemed like the path of least annoyance to me.

But to answer you question.
I think I was about level 15 when I realized that there was yet another form of crafting I had not yet learned. I found out by randomly running into the Jewel Crafting table in Daggerfall and going 'huh?'. Then spend a good 20 minutes of 'Google and read' figuring out if/how this could be done, where to get certified and then getting my posterior to that elven city.
It would be very odd if it flipped to copper at 16 though, because you can't use copper jewelry until you're 26. (But perhaps that was a typo?) Regardless, I spend more time questing than crafting and though the other skills kept pace nicely Jewel Crafting was lacking sorely behind, so that when I hit 26 - and as far as I recall that was when I began seeing copper nodes - I was still very far off from being able to use copper.
It wasn't after first asking here and then some additional days of annoyance of getting nearly no pewter - yes I had Keen Eyes as I said - that I decided to throw some gold at the issue and be done with it. As Jewel Crafting is still lagging behind my character level I can't wait to see what happens once I outlevel it again.

For what it is worth it is only Jewel Crafting that seemed to do that, right now my Clothier rank is far higher than what I can use but I have no issue getting both spider silk and ebon thread.

When I say "copper at 16" I mean your character's level, not the crafting level. I don't see how anyone can keep those in sync, but perhaps burning a LOT of gold could do that. I find a mix of pewter and copper on characters that match that. I rarely find the others since I tend to level my character (toward CP160) faster than the chance to get a lot of them.

When I said level 26 I meant character level too. Check in the game, you can't use copper jewelry until 26 though every other wearable item it's 16. Don't know why there's a difference but there is.

There are only 5 materials for jewelry crafting while wood/metal/cloth have like 15 materials. So each jewelry crafting material covers a lot more character levels than wood/metal/cloth.

redgreensunset

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

This game has a LOT of little things to learn, that is certain.

What level were you when you discovered JC and power leveled to Copper? I recall it flips to copper for your level about 16, so it is possible your power leveling put you where your skill also placed you. I have never gone that quickly with any character, but I would expect it to be 50% - your level and 50% - crafting level. Though I always went with the crafting level being lower.

Okay one thing to clear up I didn't power level at first, I chose to eventually because I got annoyed at the lack of pewter nodes and it seemed like the path of least annoyance to me.

But to answer you question.
I think I was about level 15 when I realized that there was yet another form of crafting I had not yet learned. I found out by randomly running into the Jewel Crafting table in Daggerfall and going 'huh?'. Then spend a good 20 minutes of 'Google and read' figuring out if/how this could be done, where to get certified and then getting my posterior to that elven city.
It would be very odd if it flipped to copper at 16 though, because you can't use copper jewelry until you're 26. (But perhaps that was a typo?) Regardless, I spend more time questing than crafting and though the other skills kept pace nicely Jewel Crafting was lacking sorely behind, so that when I hit 26 - and as far as I recall that was when I began seeing copper nodes - I was still very far off from being able to use copper.
It wasn't after first asking here and then some additional days of annoyance of getting nearly no pewter - yes I had Keen Eyes as I said - that I decided to throw some gold at the issue and be done with it. As Jewel Crafting is still lagging behind my character level I can't wait to see what happens once I outlevel it again.

For what it is worth it is only Jewel Crafting that seemed to do that, right now my Clothier rank is far higher than what I can use but I have no issue getting both spider silk and ebon thread.

When I say "copper at 16" I mean your character's level, not the crafting level. I don't see how anyone can keep those in sync, but perhaps burning a LOT of gold could do that. I find a mix of pewter and copper on characters that match that. I rarely find the others since I tend to level my character (toward CP160) faster than the chance to get a lot of them.

When I said level 26 I meant character level too. Check in the game, you can't use copper jewelry until 26 though every other wearable item it's 16. Don't know why there's a difference but there is.

There are only 5 materials for jewelry crafting while wood/metal/cloth have like 15 materials. So each jewelry crafting material covers a lot more character levels than wood/metal/cloth.

Your point? They could just as well have elected to make Jewel Crafting have as many as the others, they elected not to. And while we're at it, it is a mystery to me why they made Jewel Crafting virtually impossible to keep up with your character level when you can with all the others with very little effort.
Honestly I think I'll level this one on one character only. Maybe. It's such a nuisance I'm already put off in a major way.

Noggin_the_Nog

redgreensunset wrote: »

[quote="Honestly I think I'll level this one on one character only. Maybe. It's such a nuisance I'm already put off in a major way.

The six main crafts have been in the game since launch, and are well established and very useful to learn.

Jewelry was added with Summerset last year, and is very different to the other main crafts. In my opinion it is the least useful; for example I have only done two Jewelry Master Writs, only crafted one set piece ring, and only upgraded a few jewelry rings and necklaces.

I have 17 alts on NA and 16 on EU (including two Master Crafters) and all can do the daily crafting writs including jewelry. That's where jewelry crafting is useful as the daily writs can generate up to 4.6k gold per alt.

Jewelry crafting seems to me to be the slowest to get to level 50. Rather than crafting to level, I deconstruct any green or blue jewelry I get from dolmens etc. Deconstructing intricate jewelry will help a lot. You will find it in guild stores for about 500g(pewter) to1000g(platinum).

I would suggest you do not worry about jewelry crafting. Do the daily writs, deconstruct green and blue rings, and let it level at it's own pace. The other six crafts are more important - particularly get researching as soon as possible.

Have fun - that's why we are playing.

redgreensunset

Noggin_the_Nog wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

[quote="Honestly I think I'll level this one on one character only. Maybe. It's such a nuisance I'm already put off in a major way.

The six main crafts have been in the game since launch, and are well established and very useful to learn.

Jewelry was added with Summerset last year, and is very different to the other main crafts. In my opinion it is the least useful; for example I have only done two Jewelry Master Writs, only crafted one set piece ring, and only upgraded a few jewelry rings and necklaces.

I have 17 alts on NA and 16 on EU (including two Master Crafters) and all can do the daily crafting writs including jewelry. That's where jewelry crafting is useful as the daily writs can generate up to 4.6k gold per alt.

Jewelry crafting seems to me to be the slowest to get to level 50. Rather than crafting to level, I deconstruct any green or blue jewelry I get from dolmens etc. Deconstructing intricate jewelry will help a lot. You will find it in guild stores for about 500g(pewter) to1000g(platinum).

I would suggest you do not worry about jewelry crafting. Do the daily writs, deconstruct green and blue rings, and let it level at it's own pace. The other six crafts are more important - particularly get researching as soon as possible.

Have fun - that's why we are playing.

Yeah this is the conclusion I'm coming to, daily writs and deconstruction, and that's it.
I'm doing all the other crafts in full and I started researching right away as it seemed to give valuable abilities that could be added to items. I'm glad that my judgement so far have proved correct.
But thank you for letting me know about this regardless. I'm running two characters at the moment and have divided up research between them to get through it a bit faster.

Noggin_the_Nog

redgreensunset wrote: »

[quote="I'm running two characters at the moment and have divided up research between them to get through it a bit faster.

Research is important. It really does take a long time to complete all traits on all items.

But, regarding research, it depends on your objectives. My first aim was to have a Master Crafter on each server, and secondly to improve the chances of getting Master Writs from completing Daily Writs on all other alts. Therefore:

Master Crafter - can craft anything, can transmutate anything, and can do Master Writs. If I was starting out again an Orc would be a good choice for the racial passives and I would have a dedicated alt just for crafting. To max out crafting skills and passives a lot of skill points are needed; the easy way to get these is to collect all overland skyshards in all zones. Then I would refine all mats; research all traits; learn motifs; and deconstruct all glyphs, weapons, armour, jewelry until your crafter alt was craft level 50 in all crafts.
Other alts - any research trait items known by my main would be passed on to alts to learn. This improves the chances of getting Master Writs - which are completed on my main crafter. Also once the main is level 50 in a craft the alts can start deconstruction as well. Intricate items received from daily writs can help here.
CP160 - after any alt gets to character level 50 they move to Champion Point levels. The current max level for gear is CP160, so your main crafter will need to be at this level. Fortunately if you have any alt at CP160 - once your other alts reach level 50 they automatically gain the CP level of your max level alt. Nice. So your crafter only has to get to level 50.

Personally I woud have a dedicated alt just for crafting

Crafting is a lot of fun - I hope you enjoy your journey.