Spin To Win

Blinkin8r

Please note: "On a medium armor stamblade."
90% of Dawny, Spin to Win I see from heavy armor Wardens. No medium armor stamblade is going to jump into the aoe cesspool full of tanks and spam spin to win. If they do thy'll probably get a couple *42 damage ticks before they die to the 87 stacked aoe's consisting of thurvokun, wall of frost, a liquid lightning from that rando pve'er in the corner, and the random lethal arrow someone somehow tagged you with in the middle of it all.

Arcanasx

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Please note: "On a medium armor stamblade."
90% of Dawny, Spin to Win I see from heavy armor Wardens. No medium armor stamblade is going to jump into the aoe cesspool full of tanks and spam spin to win. If they do thy'll probably get a couple *42 damage ticks before they die to the 87 stacked aoe's consisting of thurvokun, wall of frost, a liquid lightning from that rando pve'er in the corner, and the random lethal arrow someone somehow tagged you with in the middle of it all.

Lets also not forget that going from 9m to 6m is a big reduction. So not only will they be hitting fewer targets, but also consider latency and the new race against time ability into account; they will be missing much more frequently and have more difficulty staying on target.

Insco851

Yaaaay let’s buff Aimless AOE’s that are spammable! Great idea!

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

glavius wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Damage may have been buffed, but radius changed from 9 to 6 is a quite big nerf too. (need to compare old steel tornado to new Whirling blades since they share abilities)

New steel tornado was buffed vs target above 50% and nerfed vs target below 50% (overall nerf id say)

It is certainly a buff. You still get that 20% from the passives, so you are doing on average, the same amount of damage but is cheaper.

True you do get the cheaper cost. But the damage will not be higher unless target is above 50% hp.
Assuming old base tooltip of steel tornade=100:

100% hp target (new 50% higher)
Old value 100 dmg
New value 150 dmg

75% hp target (new 20% higher)
Old value = 100*1,25=125 dmg
New value = 150 dmg

50% hp target
Old value = 100*1,5=150dmg
New value = 150dmg

30% hp target (old 13,3% higher)
Old value = 100*1,7=170 dmg
New value 150 dmg

20% hp target (old 20% higher)
Old value = 100*1,8*1,2= 216 dmg
New value = 150*1,2= 180 dmg

10% hp target (old 26,7% higher)
Old value = 100*1,9*1,2= 228dmg
New value = 150*1,2= 180 dmg

the extra 20% from passives is additive, not multicative. the only percent amp in the game that is multicative is bloodthirsty.

so the last 2 look like this-

20% hp target (old 20% higher)
Old value = 100*2= 200 dmg
New value = 150*1.2= 180 dmg


10% hp target (old 26,7% higher)
Old value = 100*2.1= 210 dmg
New value = 150*1.2= 180 dmg


so adding them together-


old

100 + 125 + 150 + 170 + 200 + 210 = 955

new

150 + 150 + 150 + 150 + 180 + 180 = 960

so like i said, around the same average amount of damage but steel tornado cost less stam now.

NyassaV wrote: »

Just so everyone knows:
Spin to win has a 8.1k tool tip next patch. (On a medium stamblade). And becuase of the DW passive it does 9822 damage when under 25% health.
And because it’s cheaper you can spam it even more. It’s cost was the only thing preventing you from just spamming that skill only.

what is your tooltip for power extraction?

NyassaV

Blinkin8r wrote: »

Please note: "On a medium armor stamblade."
90% of Dawny, Spin to Win I see from heavy armor Wardens. No medium armor stamblade is going to jump into the aoe cesspool full of tanks and spam spin to win. If they do thy'll probably get a couple *42 damage ticks before they die to the 87 stacked aoe's consisting of thurvokun, wall of frost, a liquid lightning from that rando pve'er in the corner, and the random lethal arrow someone somehow tagged you with in the middle of it all.

It's nearly the same with heavy armor TBH

Ollowaiin2

You Guys... Go and Test warden subterranean assault tooltip and the resto ult. WHO Cares about Steel Tornado/whirlwind

Kidgangster101

Arcanasx wrote: »

I think a lot of people seem to be forgetting that "spin2win" isn't the only AoE being buffed. Would it make people feel better if they removed the execute mechanic on whirling blades, and instead gave it a strong shield every time you hit someone with it, that increases in size depending on how many targets you hit? Maybe even change a certain DW weapon set that increases the damage from 1500-9000 damage depending on how many targets you hit with it. Maybe its just me, but I personally believe if "spin2win" did had something like this instead, it would be even stronger, especially in a PvP context.

Brawler is a clunky move that doesn't always register all the targets hit, it also doesn't have an ability to hit everyone around it only hits in a cone in front of you and has a weird hit box. People only ran it for heroism it offers on live, but there is a huge difference between these moves.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO

Ollowaiin2 wrote: »

You Guys... Go and Test warden subterranean assault tooltip and the resto ult. WHO Cares about Steel Tornado/whirlwind

not sure what makes you compare subass to whirling blades, one is a 3 second delayed damage and other is an instant spammable aoe execute but here you go-

subas on my stam warden, no buffs-



you can get 3 whirling blades off in the time it takes subas to go off and if you are worried about stamwardens using both at the same time, subass is directional and you can block it now.

nor do i understand what you are on about the resto ulti but here is the tooltip on my dedicated templar healer, no buffs-



they both look good to me.

glavius

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

the extra 20% from passives is additive, not multicative. the only percent amp in the game that is multicative is bloodthirsty.

so the last 2 look like this-

20% hp target (old 20% higher)
Old value = 100*2= 200 dmg
New value = 150*1.2= 180 dmg


10% hp target (old 26,7% higher)
Old value = 100*2.1= 210 dmg
New value = 150*1.2= 180 dmg


so adding them together-


old

100 + 125 + 150 + 170 + 200 + 210 = 955

new

150 + 150 + 150 + 150 + 180 + 180 = 960

so like i said, around the same average amount of damage but steel tornado cost less stam now.

Calculation on live is as follows (%modifiers from minor berserk multiplied with %modifiers from execute multiplied with % modifiers from dw passive)
I tested this in current patch, and theres no indication they changed that on pts.
I did not test for CP character, but I'm 95% sure minor berserk and cp % bonuses are added together.