Poll: Faction Lock the 7-day(s) or the 30-days?

Enkil

Locks are going to happen just like FFA servers will still be available. Please approach this with that in mind and don't just vote on whether or not you want locks. We are past that and some campaigns are getting locked.

It seems Kyne (under 50) is going to be locked regardless so for this poll, please do not consider that campaign.

Please vote, share your comments respectfully, and elaborate below. No fighting or attacking others.

Debate ideas, not people.

ll_Rev

Other idea (explain below)

Let's keep it where there's no faction locks

mongoLC

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

Faction lock everything.

JobooAGS

Other idea (explain below)

either or works, better yet add in 2-3 faction locked campaigns and rename them all

Kikke

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

faction lock 30 day. People that want faction locks wants to play the map, so it makes sense that we get the 30 day one. as people that dont want faction locks dont play map, and dont care about faction. it's all about the fight. so go 7 days. No? Or better yet, the NEW IC standalone campaigns.

Enkil

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

Kikke wrote: »

No? Or better yet, the NEW IC standalone campaigns.

The IC Campaigns will not have a Cyro map and wil start in the sewers.

Kikke

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

Morgul667

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

Kikke wrote: »

faction lock 30 day. People that want faction locks wants to play the map, so it makes sense that we get the 30 day one. as people that dont want faction locks dont play map, and dont care about faction. it's all about the fight. so go 7 days. No? Or better yet, the NEW IC standalone campaigns.

Sums it up pretty well

Enkil

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

It’s hard to lump everyone into some broad category. Some people just want to play on the Cyro map and be able to log a toon from a different faction 5 mins after logging off, all on the same campaign. I could never understand that and it’s not my style at all. To each his/her own.

I have no clue why the devs went from total and complete account lock before One-Tamriel to absolute Free-For-All on all campaigns afterward. It was def a huge game design blunder. However, it’s been like that for so long the FFA’ers deserve to have a campaign to continue to do that on. The question is what campaigns should have locks or not??

Let’s get real input from more players rather than a bunch of nonsensical threads started about “faction locking” every imaginable thing under the sun!?! WTF?

[I hope the trolls that did that realize it hurts your cause to behave like that more than it helps, comes across as very juvenile and makes other serious posts seem easily dismissible]

CatchMeTrolling

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

You ever thought that people might like to fight in open world and in the environment of Cyrodiil? If it was simply about fights people would go to bgs. And if we use you guys logic then you can go to IMP city and roleplay for your faction as well but you don’t cause imp city is dead. Yet you have no issue telling people to go play in dead campaigns, how surprising.

Kikke

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

You ever thought that people might like to fight in open world and in the environment of Cyrodiil? If it was simply about fights people would go to bgs. And if we use you guys logic then you can go to IMP city and roleplay for your faction as well but you don’t cause imp city is dead. Yet you have no issue telling people to go play in dead campaigns, how surprising.

Yes, join the non-faction locked 7 days campaigns then. You dont care about score or who has what on the map anyway, right?

ellahellabella

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

Kikke wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

You ever thought that people might like to fight in open world and in the environment of Cyrodiil? If it was simply about fights people would go to bgs. And if we use you guys logic then you can go to IMP city and roleplay for your faction as well but you don’t cause imp city is dead. Yet you have no issue telling people to go play in dead campaigns, how surprising.

Yes, join the non-faction locked 7 days campaigns then. You dont care about score or who has what on the map anyway, right?

Who has what? Most faction swappers making noise in the forums are those that change to the alliance in the most need of help at the time! You're being very bias.

The 7 day should be the locked one. Not only does it make life easier for OC and JP players, most of the emp trading happens in the 7 day campaigns. It's going to be even easier to emp trade now if you can only be emp once a cycle.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Other idea (explain below)

Standardise all servers duration & rules etc (keep cp& no cp). Soft lock campaigns so you can only gain rewards and leaderboard rank on one faction but can still join others. Make leaderboard and rewards account wide rather than character specific.

Delsskia

Other idea (explain below)

Faction locks are just smoke and mirrors. Everyone is posting about that rather than the real 1001 problems caused by the crappy server performance. Just use Battle Spirit to disable ALL proc sets and be amazed as skills actually fire when the keys are pressed.

visionality

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

Faction lock to every campaign, no matter how long. Go back to the old faction lock where you could change alliances once per campaign for a hefty amount of AP.

visionality

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

ellahellabella wrote: »

Most faction swappers making noise in the forums are those that change to the alliance in the most need of help at the time!

Lol ... that comment made me laugh real hard. I have neer seen anybody swapping to the alliance in the most need of help, but I see shitloads of ppl swapping to the winning alliance. On PC/EU there is even the gruesome spectacle to watch of two hardcore ballgroups combining forces with the biggest random zerg on AD side to march with 70+ ppl against one of the last three keeps the weakest alliance is holding.

Kikke

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

ellahellabella wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

You ever thought that people might like to fight in open world and in the environment of Cyrodiil? If it was simply about fights people would go to bgs. And if we use you guys logic then you can go to IMP city and roleplay for your faction as well but you don’t cause imp city is dead. Yet you have no issue telling people to go play in dead campaigns, how surprising.

Yes, join the non-faction locked 7 days campaigns then. You dont care about score or who has what on the map anyway, right?

Who has what? Most faction swappers making noise in the forums are those that change to the alliance in the most need of help at the time! You're being very bias.

The 7 day should be the locked one. Not only does it make life easier for OC and JP players, most of the emp trading happens in the 7 day campaigns. It's going to be even easier to emp trade now if you can only be emp once a cycle.

No, but here is what is ACTUALLY happening: Majority of the faction jumpers play one faction, push another faction to gates. THEN logg the faction they pushed, to recap the keeps. Then when that faction pushes back they relogg again. So the faction can be farmed again, and again, and again. Vivec PC-EU.

Joy_Division

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

Can you please stop generalizing and stereotyping non faction lock players?

My guild has rerolled 4 times precisely because it cared about the map and score board.

Kikke

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

Joy_Division wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

Can you please stop generalizing and stereotyping non faction lock players?

My guild has rerolled 4 times precisely because it cared about the map and score board.

If you're not faction loyal, you dont care. easy as that. Or do you mean your guild swap every 30days? Then, faction locks wont stop you from doing that.

Joy_Division

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

nvm.
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Elong

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

Kikke wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Kikke wrote: »

Aint that what non faction lock players want? they dont care about score board, they dont care about map, they dont care about factions. just fights no? Go IC then.

Can you please stop generalizing and stereotyping non faction lock players?

My guild has rerolled 4 times precisely because it cared about the map and score board.

If you're not faction loyal, you dont care. easy as that. Or do you mean your guild swap every 30days? Then, faction locks wont stop you from doing that.

No, Joy's guild has swapped after seeing one faction dominate for several months on end and has sought to balance the campaigns. It's a huge task and the most under appreciated one in PVP. When you do it, you get hate from everyone. Not everyone plays this game for their own selfish ways you know.

VaranisArano

Faction lock the 30 day campaigns.

Then add a 7 day campaign for No CP, so they have a non-faction locked choice. Everyone deserves that choice.

Why?
The 30 day campaigns offer the most scope for faction loyal guilds and players to fight. Players who care about winning the campaign don't have to deal with people swapping for the greater rewards on the winning side.

The 7 day campaigns are shorter and can fluctuate a lot more based on whatever side people want to log onto without unbalancing the score for weeks. The flaw of the 7 day campaigns has been their low population, and not having a faction lock encourages anyone who "just wants to play with friends" to go there, hopefully boosting the population.

Phoebe

Other idea (explain below)

Add 2 more 30-day campaigns, so we can have both CP and non-CP locked and unlocked. Everyone could choose their favourite this way. Probably remove the 7-day campaign, but there are probably good reasons it's there.

Moonsorrow

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

To the people defending the alliance hopping i got a nice wall of text inc:

1. You do not need to switch alliance during same campaign each day, if some alliance takes a domination win, switch after it to the weakest one if you so wish. There is no need for some AP farming police who plays all sides and flips keeps back and forth with different color and the "help" they do is most often taking a scroll, then not even taking it "home" since they have no home alliance so they do NOT care, they go up in mountain or in keep/tower farming with it until die or it times out back to where it was from. How is THAT helping anyone, other than gaining AP to yourself? All the excuses you come up with, i have an answer ready. I know the people, i have some friends doing that. To each their own though.

2. You CAN do the same with this thing that is coming, you can "help" other alliances, just there is the penalty. But oh wait.. you mean to tell us it was not for helping everyone since you can still do it like before if these changes go through? Why is this a problem for you? You can help. Just gonna end up without the rewards. Penalty is there to atleast have fewer people doing AP abuse.

3. Most small scalers do not admit it, but they are not there to help the campaigns, they are there to farm and for fun battles, what mainly includes not fighting each others.. different alliance small scalers take different places to farm solos and those that are not coordinated aka pugs. Like as an example DC small scale group at Arrius lumber, EP small scalers at Aleswell farm, AD small scalers at Sejanus. They do not attack each others often. Sometimes even fighting side by side and farming. This happens on all servers. I know someone propably gonna explain how it never happens on theirs, but those who played for years all know this and the small scalers who are honest will admit to be true. People not like attacking friends.

All the alliance hopping just devaluates the whole Alliance War game mode. While the alliance hoppers do not see it that way themselves, but it is exactly the same as if someone left in middle of a battleground to join other team in same battleground, most join actually to the side that is winning, making the side with smallest amount of points to have no chance.

Most people not join to help the weakest. You all know this. And the reality: most join (if possible) to anything that gains them the most AP with least effort aka flipping/AP abuse.

There are only a few who help campaigns honestly, and they have my sympathy, yet a big mass who use the freedom that we now have to just farm, grief, troll and abuse. You know this.

One thing more i see as a benefit with a lock/penalty: Not so much Reported players (for dumping scrolls to water and so on) for cheating, so customer support can spend their time on other more important issues and people get faster service at other issues since these do not spam their report queues anymore in so big numbers.


Lock/penalty has only good benefits for the majority.

ellahellabella

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

visionality wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

Most faction swappers making noise in the forums are those that change to the alliance in the most need of help at the time!

Lol ... that comment made me laugh real hard. I have neer seen anybody swapping to the alliance in the most need of help, but I see shitloads of ppl swapping to the winning alliance. On PC/EU there is even the gruesome spectacle to watch of two hardcore ballgroups combining forces with the biggest random zerg on AD side to march with 70+ ppl against one of the last three keeps the weakest alliance is holding.

Riiiiight so if it happens on pc eu it must happen EVERYWHERE. Seems that there are a lot of servers out there where people just have no self control. That won't change with a faction lock either.
My statment stays true. Those in this forum defending are in fact helping those that need helping.

ellahellabella

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Standardise all servers duration & rules etc (keep cp& no cp). Soft lock campaigns so you can only gain rewards and leaderboard rank on one faction but can still join others. Make leaderboard and rewards account wide rather than character specific.

I'd be down for that

Beardimus

Faction lock the 7-day campaign (CP) [and maybe add another non-CP and lock it]

I probably am one of the biggest advocates of faction lock. And I'm glad ZOS are giving us choice, thank you Brian & Co.

I can see however peoples stress about vivec locked. I'd prefer that than nothing, however if i had to chose id happily take shor, sotha and kyne locked. And leave vivec as that appears to have generated the worst noise since suggestion of the change.

That's selfish however as i know many prefer the high pop campaigns and are fed up of the cheating there.

I prefer small scale / more meaningful play hence the quite campaigns and think they see the worst abuse.

Regardless i will go where the lock is. And i hope the anti lock players wake up and do the same, as spreading out is good for all of us.

Alucardo

Faction Lock 30-day campaigns (CP & no-CP)

Faction lock is being put in place primarily to thwart AP abuse and foul play. What's the point in adding this restriction to the lowest pop server? Wouldn't you rather take out a larger portion of human garbage possible? Of course I am not talking about the people who legitimately play other factions to be with their friends, but they are very far and few between.

bikerangelo

Marcus684

Most faction swappers making noise in the forums are those that change to the alliance in the most need of help at the time! You're being very bias.

I see this claim pop up from time to time, and I just don’t agree. My experience with most people is that they go for the easy win 99% of the time, which means piling on with the dominant alliance at the time. If that’s not you, great! You’re in the minority and should be applauded, and it sucks that you won't be able to do that anymore. On the positive side, hopefully faction locks will reduce the need for you to do this.

Eirella

Other idea (explain below)

Delsskia wrote: »

Faction locks are just smoke and mirrors. Everyone is posting about that rather than the real 1001 problems caused by the crappy server performance. Just use Battle Spirit to disable ALL proc sets and be amazed as skills actually fire when the keys are pressed.

I like this idea!