Battlegrounds need help

iCaliban

This isnt your typical complaint about X class, Y skill, Z gear set.

Rather, this is a complaint about a couple things that are driving players away from Bgs entirely.

1) the long queue for high mmr players. Waiting 15-20 minutes to get into a match solo (and even longer with a friend or 2) is discouraging as heck for the more dedicated BG players.

2) Coupled with a long wait time, the rewards from a bg match are lackluster to say the least. The odds of finding something valuable is incredibly low, the ap per hour is low compared to cyrodil, the value of ap itself is tanking lately, next to no gold reward from a bg match.

Suggested solution: a buff to rewards from battlegrounds, gold from ~200 per match to 1k, ap gains given a 10% boost. And possibly a solution to solo queue players waiting 15-20 minutes for a match.

MurderMostFoul

My vote is for new BG sets with the next chapter.

ChunkyCat

ZoS hears your concerns.

Here’s a new map instead.

asnd

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

My vote is for new BG sets with the next chapter.

That would just drive people to play BG's to get the rewards and not actually play to... pvp. Especially in lower MMR; that would do nothing for high mmr queues.

Urvoth

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Aurielle

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

MurderMostFoul

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

As an avid BGer, I see no reason not to advocate for new and/or better rewards. And it would certainly bring in more players to BGs. Again, good for BGs. If some of those players stick around, then we get new blood into higher mmrs.

Urvoth

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

Then have it second place and up gets the reward.

oxygen_thief

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Here’s a new map instead.

its awful. hate it

jcm2606

oxygen_thief wrote: »

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Here’s a new map instead.

its awful. hate it

If I could give 100 agrees, you'd get 100 agrees, the map is that bad.

Aurielle

Urvoth wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

Then have it second place and up gets the reward.

It’s still possible to get second place with a player who does not engage on your team. I’m all for better rewards, don’t get me wrong — just not gold, because BGs absolutely would become attractive for afkers and botters.

iCaliban

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

This is ridiculous you know that right? You can earn roughly 30k gold with a decent aoe build farming gold in the time it takes to run a single BG match. You can earn even more per hour farming mats.

WillhelmBlack

It just needs 4v4. Seriously. MM would be way faster that way as well.

iCaliban

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

Then have it second place and up gets the reward.

It’s still possible to get second place with a player who does not engage on your team. I’m all for better rewards, don’t get me wrong — just not gold, because BGs absolutely would become attractive for afkers and botters.

They should raise the value of AP then. As it stands, the price drops patch after patch, especially with the several double ap events we have each year. Multiple new pvp only motifs would probably be the way to go. And a bump in ap gains from bgs.

Aurielle

iCaliban wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

This is ridiculous you know that right? You can earn roughly 30k gold with a decent aoe build farming gold in the time it takes to run a single BG match. You can earn even more per hour farming mats.

Any gameplay mode that gives players an opportunity to earn gold through unattended gameplay CAN and WILL be exploited by bots. One account spamming BGs wouldn’t earn much gold. The botters don’t just run one account, though.

Qwazzy

Add a solo queue only option.

NordSwordnBoard

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Aurielle wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Aurielle wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Better rewards are the first step in the right direction. 1k gold/match would at least give an incentive for more people to play over and over.

Yeah, no. If BGs rewarded 1k gold per match, they would be flooded with Chinese gold seller bots that moved from side to side at the spawn point 24/7.

This is ridiculous you know that right? You can earn roughly 30k gold with a decent aoe build farming gold in the time it takes to run a single BG match. You can earn even more per hour farming mats.

Any gameplay mode that gives players an opportunity to earn gold through unattended gameplay CAN and WILL be exploited by bots. One account spamming BGs wouldn’t earn much gold. The botters don’t just run one account, though.

Add baseline match participation to earn the gold. No worries about bots flooding in with that. It would have to be more efficient than zone farming and I don't see gold sellers doing something not worth their time.

Bashev

The queue time is really a problem. The funny think is that I play with almost the same players every night. We finish the game then I guess we all queue and we wait for 15 minutes to play again together, just mixed teams. Probably there is a CD how often we can play together in a game and that is why the waiting time.

Basically the algorithm probably calculates that we have similar MMR and then we should play together but as we did the last game some time should pass.

Haojin

just reset this *hidden* mmr every X days/month, problem solved.

waiting more than 10 minutes is just bad design.

Bashev

Haojin wrote: »

just reset this *hidden* mmr every X days/month, problem solved.

waiting more than 10 minutes is just bad design.

If they reset them every 10 days, they just can remove them.

Haojin

mmr is bs in 4v4v4 environment. you either get flanked by 3th team or get zerged by both teams.

i'd love to see a true mmr system only avaliable for 4v4 or 6v6 cp-no cp. the rest should be mmr free.

Urvoth

Haojin wrote: »

mmr is bs in 4v4v4 environment. you either get flanked by 3th team or get zerged by both teams.

i'd love to see a true mmr system only avaliable for 4v4 or 6v6 cp-no cp. the rest should be mmr free.

Yeah, I feel like they should hire a Dev from a moba or class based shooter to design a good small scale system like this. Zos seems a bit incapable of thinking in terms of small scale, competitive systems.

A solid 6v6 mode with premade vs premade functionality and a competitive scoring system would provide far more playability than a few new maps a year with the current system.