Change the ability to multi Faction in a Campaign.

EkojiRone

I really dislike the ability to log into a campaign with any factions. It only allows for more trolling for those guilds who switch from AD to DC to EP to benefit getting more points.. or to bring down the moral of the other factions. Or to spy on what they plan on doing.

I'm curious what ZOS was thinking when they opened up this gateway...

TBois

It does also allows for guilds to switch factions to the underdog faction to help balance the servers. This has happened multiple times on PC/NA. It is definitely not all bad as it even let friends play together more frequently.

EkojiRone

I wish players did use it for balance. The cases I’ve been in, one faction is obserdly larger then the other on a server. While the others seem to be dwarfed and it becomes who has more numbers to push in.

I can completely see how it may allow people to quickly play with each other. However balancing of teams goes out the window in the concept of friendship.

Haashhtaag

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Kadoin

EkojiRone wrote: »

I wish players did use it for balance. The cases I’ve been in, one faction is obserdly larger then the other on a server. While the others seem to be dwarfed and it becomes who has more numbers to push in.

I can completely see how it may allow people to quickly play with each other. However balancing of teams goes out the window in the concept of friendship.

I still cannot understand the logic behind a lock somehow equalizing campaigns. In the past when campaigns were locked, all that happened was that people stopped logging in the campaign. That's it; nothing more, nothing less. The population was still tilted and if you ask me, it was worse then than it has been now.

The real problem that you aren't addressing isn't even faction hopping, it's the fact that there is little to no punishment for a faction to massively outnumber another faction, a lack of buffs or real assistance to lower population factions, or both. From what I've seen PvP guilds that are loyal usually log on and lock the campaigns when no one is on and roll over everyone else with massive numbers.

There's literally no counter to some of these ball groups, so what do you expect to happen when players on a faction with lower numbers just get farmed by groups that stack loads of proc sets? They will just log and go elsewhere for their PvP.

I don't blame them, esp. when Cyrodil is currently ruled by ultra-defesnive builds, zergballs, and proc sets because ZOS keeps taking the power out from players and placing more in proc sets. ZOS' future balancing will push this effect even more, regardless of whether or not there is a faction lock. Just wait and see...

antihero727

we need solid solutions we have enough gripes

Heimpai

Sure if we get an alliance change token, I’ve already grinded multiple chars to be on EP but i don’t care anymore..if i want to play my magsorc or stamblade (my first characters) I’ll just play on AD

Seriously done grinding the same char just because i didn’t know alliances mattered when i started

JamilaRaj

TBois wrote: »

It does also allows for guilds to switch factions to the underdog faction to help balance the servers. This has happened multiple times on PC/NA. It is definitely not all bad as it even let friends play together more frequently.

I am pretty sure most players switch to where action is, i.e. exacerbate balance issues. On campaign level, they accrete in pop locked campaign, regardless of queues, even though empty, lopsided campaigns are available, or rather precisely because other campaigns available are empty and lopsided. In a campaign, they accrete in usual zerging corridors for the same reason.

EDIT: and of course in ranks of active faction. In other words, while some may switch to weaker or outright dead faction within a campaign, more will switch in opposite direction or campaign completely.

EkojiRone

I completely agree with kadoin. Hopefully they will see this and take some hints. I just feel rolled over everywhere I go. Lol pvp just I sent fun when you can’t get anything done. I’ll keep trying for a lucky moment . Maybe I’ll start night shifts lmao

Dominion_Nightblade

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Ghostbane

We have too many solutions and not enough problems.

MipMip

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Agree. Players and groups looking for good, challenging fights will generally prefer to log in on the side of underdog factions.

Haashhtaag

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Because people would rather front run and stick to a faction than switch and look for harder fights thus creating campaign imbalance which you see in scoring and etc. especially in a campaign where said faction is either 3 bar or pop locked the entire duration while the other factions have 1-2 bar.

Faction hopping players from guilds and etc go into those campaigns on lower pop factions to get good fights but a lot of times what happens is the faction loyalty kicks in and when these groups start taking keeps from leading faction and making moves you’ll see a huge influx of the leading faction come in and send them back to the gates.

It’s not healthy for pvp or the campaign and a reason a lot of people don’t go to campaigns other than Vivec.

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Exactly this, so much toxicity stems from people who just care way too much about the campaign score.

Dominion_Nightblade

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Because people would rather front run and stick to a faction than switch and look for harder fights thus creating campaign imbalance which you see in scoring and etc. especially in a campaign where said faction is either 3 bar or pop locked the entire duration while the other factions have 1-2 bar.

Faction hopping players from guilds and etc go into those campaigns on lower pop factions to get good fights but a lot of times what happens is the faction loyalty kicks in and when these groups start taking keeps from leading faction and making moves you’ll see a huge influx of the leading faction come in and send them back to the gates.

It’s not healthy for pvp or the campaign and a reason a lot of people don’t go to campaigns other than Vivec.

Yea, I would hope that people would rather front run and stick to a faction because that is what the pvp portion of the game is about ... Or at least it was when I started playing in 2014...
And granted that balancing issues are a good argument in this case, but give me one time where you have seen a guild actually do that for balance as opposed to being on the winning team for the best prizes at the end... Would PM switch to AD or DC to balance out, no because they represent the pact... Same with TD, DD, on yellow and iron legion on blue.. They all have loyalty because that is was PVP in this game WAS about... The only people who I see faction hopping are elitest plebs who stand around resources while playing with each other, and waiting for pugs to pounce on so they feel cool or good. Actually it was those plebs who made the whole faction loyalty is toxic argument and all the wannabe cool kids started following suite. It still makes no sense to me... I would rather be on team yellow with one bar than fight along side faction hoppers. I play this game to pvp for my faction and that is how this game was made to be played in pvp. That is the reason I might hop on once a week or so anymore to play for AD, because they killed pvp for the much larger pve crowd.. I know a lot of people would agree with me and a lot won't.. You play how you want, that's fine. But I will continue to play how I want with loyalty to my faction..

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Exactly this, so much toxicity stems from people who just care way too much about the campaign score.

Yea.. you are one of the plebby followers I was talking about the my reply to hashtag.. We are toxic for wanting to play an alliance war portion of the game for our alliance... with faction pride.... lol, please have a valid and intelligent or at least constructive argument before you make yourself look silly while jumping into the conversation.

twitch_zero

MipMip wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Agree. Players and groups looking for good, challenging fights will generally prefer to log in on the side of underdog factions.

No guilds swap to underdog factions in NA Vivec any more, some players do but not guilds not any more. Guilds swap between EP and AD but never DC.

Haashhtaag

No zerg guilds*

twitch_zero wrote: »

MipMip wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Agree. Players and groups looking for good, challenging fights will generally prefer to log in on the side of underdog factions.

No guilds swap to underdog factions in NA Vivec any more, some players do but not guilds not any more. Guilds swap between EP and AD but never DC.

Haashhtaag

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Because people would rather front run and stick to a faction than switch and look for harder fights thus creating campaign imbalance which you see in scoring and etc. especially in a campaign where said faction is either 3 bar or pop locked the entire duration while the other factions have 1-2 bar.

Faction hopping players from guilds and etc go into those campaigns on lower pop factions to get good fights but a lot of times what happens is the faction loyalty kicks in and when these groups start taking keeps from leading faction and making moves you’ll see a huge influx of the leading faction come in and send them back to the gates.

It’s not healthy for pvp or the campaign and a reason a lot of people don’t go to campaigns other than Vivec.

Yea, I would hope that people would rather front run and stick to a faction because that is what the pvp portion of the game is about ... Or at least it was when I started playing in 2014...
And granted that balancing issues are a good argument in this case, but give me one time where you have seen a guild actually do that for balance as opposed to being on the winning team for the best prizes at the end... Would PM switch to AD or DC to balance out, no because they represent the pact... Same with TD, DD, on yellow and iron legion on blue.. They all have loyalty because that is was PVP in this game WAS about... The only people who I see faction hopping are elitest plebs who stand around resources while playing with each other, and waiting for pugs to pounce on so they feel cool or good. Actually it was those plebs who made the whole faction loyalty is toxic argument and all the wannabe cool kids started following suite. It still makes no sense to me... I would rather be on team yellow with one bar than fight along side faction hoppers. I play this game to pvp for my faction and that is how this game was made to be played in pvp. That is the reason I might hop on once a week or so anymore to play for AD, because they killed pvp for the much larger pve crowd.. I know a lot of people would agree with me and a lot won't.. You play how you want, that's fine. But I will continue to play how I want with loyalty to my faction..

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Exactly this, so much toxicity stems from people who just care way too much about the campaign score.

Yea.. you are one of the plebby followers I was talking about the my reply to hashtag.. We are toxic for wanting to play an alliance war portion of the game for our alliance... with faction pride.... lol, please have a valid and intelligent or at least constructive argument before you make yourself look silly while jumping into the conversation.

End of camp rewards are a joke. The 30 day camp nets you what 30k gold? You can easily make 30k gold in IC in just 1 hour farming telvar and buy hakeijos or just make 200k AP and buy 2 triune trait gems to sell.


Gold rewards > but all you have to do is make AP for those and faction doesn’t matter.

Dominion_Nightblade

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Because people would rather front run and stick to a faction than switch and look for harder fights thus creating campaign imbalance which you see in scoring and etc. especially in a campaign where said faction is either 3 bar or pop locked the entire duration while the other factions have 1-2 bar.

Faction hopping players from guilds and etc go into those campaigns on lower pop factions to get good fights but a lot of times what happens is the faction loyalty kicks in and when these groups start taking keeps from leading faction and making moves you’ll see a huge influx of the leading faction come in and send them back to the gates.

It’s not healthy for pvp or the campaign and a reason a lot of people don’t go to campaigns other than Vivec.

Yea, I would hope that people would rather front run and stick to a faction because that is what the pvp portion of the game is about ... Or at least it was when I started playing in 2014...
And granted that balancing issues are a good argument in this case, but give me one time where you have seen a guild actually do that for balance as opposed to being on the winning team for the best prizes at the end... Would PM switch to AD or DC to balance out, no because they represent the pact... Same with TD, DD, on yellow and iron legion on blue.. They all have loyalty because that is was PVP in this game WAS about... The only people who I see faction hopping are elitest plebs who stand around resources while playing with each other, and waiting for pugs to pounce on so they feel cool or good. Actually it was those plebs who made the whole faction loyalty is toxic argument and all the wannabe cool kids started following suite. It still makes no sense to me... I would rather be on team yellow with one bar than fight along side faction hoppers. I play this game to pvp for my faction and that is how this game was made to be played in pvp. That is the reason I might hop on once a week or so anymore to play for AD, because they killed pvp for the much larger pve crowd.. I know a lot of people would agree with me and a lot won't.. You play how you want, that's fine. But I will continue to play how I want with loyalty to my faction..

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Exactly this, so much toxicity stems from people who just care way too much about the campaign score.

Yea.. you are one of the plebby followers I was talking about the my reply to hashtag.. We are toxic for wanting to play an alliance war portion of the game for our alliance... with faction pride.... lol, please have a valid and intelligent or at least constructive argument before you make yourself look silly while jumping into the conversation.

End of camp rewards are a joke. The 30 day camp nets you what 30k gold? You can easily make 30k gold in IC in just 1 hour farming telvar and buy hakeijos or just make 200k AP and buy 2 triune trait gems to sell.


Gold rewards > but all you have to do is make AP for those and faction doesn’t matter.

Lol, that's all you took from my reply.. ok, my point is, dont call us toxic for playing the game how it was made to be played, and we wont call you toxic for playing how you want to play the game...

Anrose

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Because people would rather front run and stick to a faction than switch and look for harder fights thus creating campaign imbalance which you see in scoring and etc. especially in a campaign where said faction is either 3 bar or pop locked the entire duration while the other factions have 1-2 bar.

Faction hopping players from guilds and etc go into those campaigns on lower pop factions to get good fights but a lot of times what happens is the faction loyalty kicks in and when these groups start taking keeps from leading faction and making moves you’ll see a huge influx of the leading faction come in and send them back to the gates.

It’s not healthy for pvp or the campaign and a reason a lot of people don’t go to campaigns other than Vivec.

Yea, I would hope that people would rather front run and stick to a faction because that is what the pvp portion of the game is about ... Or at least it was when I started playing in 2014...
And granted that balancing issues are a good argument in this case, but give me one time where you have seen a guild actually do that for balance as opposed to being on the winning team for the best prizes at the end... Would PM switch to AD or DC to balance out, no because they represent the pact... Same with TD, DD, on yellow and iron legion on blue.. They all have loyalty because that is was PVP in this game WAS about... The only people who I see faction hopping are elitest plebs who stand around resources while playing with each other, and waiting for pugs to pounce on so they feel cool or good. Actually it was those plebs who made the whole faction loyalty is toxic argument and all the wannabe cool kids started following suite. It still makes no sense to me... I would rather be on team yellow with one bar than fight along side faction hoppers. I play this game to pvp for my faction and that is how this game was made to be played in pvp. That is the reason I might hop on once a week or so anymore to play for AD, because they killed pvp for the much larger pve crowd.. I know a lot of people would agree with me and a lot won't.. You play how you want, that's fine. But I will continue to play how I want with loyalty to my faction..

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Exactly this, so much toxicity stems from people who just care way too much about the campaign score.

Yea.. you are one of the plebby followers I was talking about the my reply to hashtag.. We are toxic for wanting to play an alliance war portion of the game for our alliance... with faction pride.... lol, please have a valid and intelligent or at least constructive argument before you make yourself look silly while jumping into the conversation.

End of camp rewards are a joke. The 30 day camp nets you what 30k gold? You can easily make 30k gold in IC in just 1 hour farming telvar and buy hakeijos or just make 200k AP and buy 2 triune trait gems to sell.


Gold rewards > but all you have to do is make AP for those and faction doesn’t matter.

Lol, that's all you took from my reply.. ok, my point is, dont call us toxic for playing the game how it was made to be played, and we wont call you toxic for playing how you want to play the game...

How the game was made to be played != what the game has evolved into.

The devs changed the direction long ago. Try to keep up.

Dominion_Nightblade

Anrose wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Dominion_Nightblade wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

That has got to be about the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Please, elaborate..

Because people would rather front run and stick to a faction than switch and look for harder fights thus creating campaign imbalance which you see in scoring and etc. especially in a campaign where said faction is either 3 bar or pop locked the entire duration while the other factions have 1-2 bar.

Faction hopping players from guilds and etc go into those campaigns on lower pop factions to get good fights but a lot of times what happens is the faction loyalty kicks in and when these groups start taking keeps from leading faction and making moves you’ll see a huge influx of the leading faction come in and send them back to the gates.

It’s not healthy for pvp or the campaign and a reason a lot of people don’t go to campaigns other than Vivec.

Yea, I would hope that people would rather front run and stick to a faction because that is what the pvp portion of the game is about ... Or at least it was when I started playing in 2014...
And granted that balancing issues are a good argument in this case, but give me one time where you have seen a guild actually do that for balance as opposed to being on the winning team for the best prizes at the end... Would PM switch to AD or DC to balance out, no because they represent the pact... Same with TD, DD, on yellow and iron legion on blue.. They all have loyalty because that is was PVP in this game WAS about... The only people who I see faction hopping are elitest plebs who stand around resources while playing with each other, and waiting for pugs to pounce on so they feel cool or good. Actually it was those plebs who made the whole faction loyalty is toxic argument and all the wannabe cool kids started following suite. It still makes no sense to me... I would rather be on team yellow with one bar than fight along side faction hoppers. I play this game to pvp for my faction and that is how this game was made to be played in pvp. That is the reason I might hop on once a week or so anymore to play for AD, because they killed pvp for the much larger pve crowd.. I know a lot of people would agree with me and a lot won't.. You play how you want, that's fine. But I will continue to play how I want with loyalty to my faction..

Jimmy_The_Fixer wrote: »

Haashhtaag wrote: »

Faction loyalty is more detrimental to a campaigns health than faction hopping

Exactly this, so much toxicity stems from people who just care way too much about the campaign score.

Yea.. you are one of the plebby followers I was talking about the my reply to hashtag.. We are toxic for wanting to play an alliance war portion of the game for our alliance... with faction pride.... lol, please have a valid and intelligent or at least constructive argument before you make yourself look silly while jumping into the conversation.

End of camp rewards are a joke. The 30 day camp nets you what 30k gold? You can easily make 30k gold in IC in just 1 hour farming telvar and buy hakeijos or just make 200k AP and buy 2 triune trait gems to sell.


Gold rewards > but all you have to do is make AP for those and faction doesn’t matter.

Lol, that's all you took from my reply.. ok, my point is, dont call us toxic for playing the game how it was made to be played, and we wont call you toxic for playing how you want to play the game...

How the game was made to be played != what the game has evolved into.

The devs changed the direction long ago. Try to keep up.

I had stated that they changed it for the pve crowd in my original reply. Try to actually read..

That still doesn't mean I cant play it with faction pride like the good ole' days..