Psijic order skill line should be across your account

godosaurus

So I've recently had to do the psijic order questline AGAIN, on a 4th or 5th character and you all know how terrible the questline is. Doing it once isn't awful since you can see the sites of tamriel etc, but having multiple characters that use the skills to achieve the maximum DPS in trials makes it tedious. Especially on new toons that have no wayshrines yet because they haven't explored the world so you are forced to ride around everywhere on 0 horse speed mounts. I think the skill line should be shared across your account so that you don't have to do it over and over which takes away lots of the fun from the game. I understand that this is what an MMO is supposed to do, make you grind to get the best stuff, but it's really boring and lessens the player experience. This also applies to the Mages guild which is equally as garbage.

VaranisArano

I kinda liked the Annual Psijic Order Scavenger Hunt. Quicker than running circles around dolmens, finding ratty old books, or doing lots and lots of group dungeons.

Nestor

Poor MMO developers, they introduce all these MMO features and people want to play this game like a MOBA.

Sigtric

Normally I'm against account wide requests like this but the psijic thing is such a tedious nuisance that I'm inclined to agree.

godosaurus

Nestor wrote: »

Poor MMO developers, they introduce all these MMO features and people want to play this game like a MOBA.

Lots of people aren't able to play games 24/7. They have busy working lives etc and when they come online they don't want to be grinding the same thing over and over. They would much rather be doing dungeons or trials or PvP or whatever makes this game fun to them, not being bored out of their brains.

With most other questlines i respect that a grind is worth it because it's enjoyable like undaunted which may be long but requires you to do the fun content that ZOS has given us. But psijic order is just terrible, time-consuming and boring for everyone who does it which is why it should be account wide.

Elsonso

godosaurus wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Poor MMO developers, they introduce all these MMO features and people want to play this game like a MOBA.

Lots of people aren't able to play games 24/7. They have busy working lives etc and when they come online they don't want to be grinding the same thing over and over.

You don't have to grind Psijic, so if you don't have time, then don't. Don't play the game beyond your available time.

twev

lordrichter wrote: »

godosaurus wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Poor MMO developers, they introduce all these MMO features and people want to play this game like a MOBA.

Lots of people aren't able to play games 24/7. They have busy working lives etc and when they come online they don't want to be grinding the same thing over and over.

You don't have to grind Psijic, so if you don't have time, then don't. Don't play the game beyond your available time.

People don't even have to play multiple 'toons, either.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If accomplishments and achieves are account wide and across all 'toons - whats the point of playing multiple 'toons when they all have the same achieves granted to them?

Elsonso

twev wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

godosaurus wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Poor MMO developers, they introduce all these MMO features and people want to play this game like a MOBA.

Lots of people aren't able to play games 24/7. They have busy working lives etc and when they come online they don't want to be grinding the same thing over and over.

You don't have to grind Psijic, so if you don't have time, then don't. Don't play the game beyond your available time.

People don't even have to play multiple 'toons, either.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If accomplishments and achieves are account wide and across all 'toons - whats the point of playing multiple 'toons when they all have the same achieves granted to them?

The reason that I am still with the game after 4 and a half years is that they have, wisely, not listened to a lot of the people who want stuff to be account-wide. I need to be able to start a new character, and do all the quests, character building, and achievements again, from time to time, or the game becomes too boring.

Of course, these days, the game is all about events, both special and holiday. It seems that the game is turning into a permanent floating party. I can't remember the last time I really sat down and leveled a new character outside of an event grind. I have a brand new character on EU that is in the mid-20's, and should get to Level 50 doing nothing more than events. This is not the first character I have leveled up this way.

TheValar85

I agree includign undaunted.

zoltar_666

I've only done the first part of this questline, and I see that the second part is exactly the same. i.e. closing breaches. Is this really the whole questline, doing this annoying task? I pretty much paused before moving forward on this one since the first part was so dull.

godosaurus

zoltar_666 wrote: »

I've only done the first part of this questline, and I see that the second part is exactly the same. i.e. closing breaches. Is this really the whole questline, doing this annoying task? I pretty much paused before moving forward on this one since the first part was so dull.

Thats what I mean, its really terrible.

godosaurus

twev wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

godosaurus wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Poor MMO developers, they introduce all these MMO features and people want to play this game like a MOBA.

Lots of people aren't able to play games 24/7. They have busy working lives etc and when they come online they don't want to be grinding the same thing over and over.

You don't have to grind Psijic, so if you don't have time, then don't. Don't play the game beyond your available time.

People don't even have to play multiple 'toons, either.
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

If accomplishments and achieves are account wide and across all 'toons - whats the point of playing multiple 'toons when they all have the same achieves granted to them?

This just disregards the fact that people want to play different characters, to experience the entire game and see what each character plays like through leveling. If they're forced to do the psijic questline again to attain high DPS on a different character, its gonna be a pain in the ass. I'm not saying all achieves should be shared - not all of the grind taken away only the most boring parts of it so people can enjoy the game properly.

You might argue that you don't need the psijic skills for high DPS, yet crushing weapon/elemental weapon is used in most high tier PVE builds e.g magblade, magplar, stam sorc, stam dk etc etc. To get the most damage out of this skill you have to get level 7 in psijic order to unlock spell orb level 2, which takes FOREVER.

Elsonso

zoltar_666 wrote: »

I've only done the first part of this questline, and I see that the second part is exactly the same. i.e. closing breaches. Is this really the whole questline, doing this annoying task? I pretty much paused before moving forward on this one since the first part was so dull.

Then don't do it.

The devs obviously intend that this be earned, per character, and apparently with good reason. If it is too much for you, then don't do it.

VaranisArano

zoltar_666 wrote: »

I've only done the first part of this questline, and I see that the second part is exactly the same. i.e. closing breaches. Is this really the whole questline, doing this annoying task? I pretty much paused before moving forward on this one since the first part was so dull.

The Psijic questline Annual Scavenger Hunt has two phases. One, you hunt across zones for time breeches to close. The other phase you follow a trail of shiny lights until you find a dirt mound which you dig up to recover a piece of the Staff of Towers - for all 8 pieces.

After that, there's an actual brief quest.

Its not as bad as all that. The last time someone in the TES series had to hunt down pieces of a staff, they had to run dungeons and defeat Jagar Tharn in order to save Emperor Uriel Septim.

No, ZOS didn't just repurpose the plot of TES Arena, why would you say that?

Ashtaris

I have another character that needs some of the Psijic order skills but I dread doing the quests again to get them. It would be nice if they were account wide, but I seriously doubt ZOS would ever do that. They like to watch us grind until our eyes bleed.

El_Borracho

Ashtaris wrote: »

I have another character that needs some of the Psijic order skills but I dread doing the quests again to get them. It would be nice if they were account wide, but I seriously doubt ZOS would ever do that. They like to watch us grind until our eyes bleed.

Precisely how I feel. Unlike re-doing other quests with a new character, there is no way to speed that one up. Go here, go there, corny jokes, ugh.

vesselwiththepestle

The idea seems to be, that guild skills need some kind of grind. The problem with psijic is, that you have to do THIS grind.

You can do fighter's guild grind during some dungeons, questing, etc.

You can do mages guild grind during skyshard grind and questing.

You can do undaunted grind together with skill point grind from group dungeon quests.

But when you do psijic grind, it's just this... Maybe you get a skyshard or mage lore book on the way. So it would be good to do psijic order as one of your first grinds.

Elsonso

vesselwiththepestle wrote: »

The idea seems to be, that guild skills need some kind of grind. The problem with psijic is, that you have to do THIS grind.

You can do fighter's guild grind during some dungeons, questing, etc.

You can do mages guild grind during skyshard grind and questing.

You can do undaunted grind together with skill point grind from group dungeon quests.

But when you do psijic grind, it's just this... Maybe you get a skyshard or mage lore book on the way. So it would be good to do psijic order as one of your first grinds.

Remember that for new players, and new characters, Sumerset is currently the start.

You can pretty easily do Psijic while questing and exploring the world as part of the rest of the game.

godosaurus

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Remember that for new players, and new characters, Sumerset is currently the start.

You can pretty easily do Psijic while questing and exploring the world as part of the rest of the game.[/quote]

And for those who have already done it? Those who have already seen the world and just want some skills? They have to do the worst questline again and again

Elsonso

godosaurus wrote: »

Remember that for new players, and new characters, Sumerset is currently the start.

You can pretty easily do Psijic while questing and exploring the world as part of the rest of the game.

And for those who have already done it? Those who have already seen the world and just want some skills? They have to do the worst questline again and again

It is not the worst quest line in the game.

Besides, it isn't a required skill. If you feel that it is desired, then it is not much of a time investment to get it. Pretty cheap, actually. In the end, it is either worth the time, or it isn't. If it isn't, you don't need that skill line.

wolf486

No, anything quest/skill related should not be account wide. Either put up with the "grind" when you want to create a new character or stick with one

IndorilArwynLlethran

Psijic is actually the easiest guild skill line. A bit boring but fast. You also can collect skyshards, books and even close dolmens just because there will be some nearby.