Stamblade vs Magsorc Strategies

leepalmer95

frostz417 wrote: »

Endless is honestly a stupid broken execute. BG’s is littered with many of these sorc noobs sitting in the back spamming endless getting easy kills since the delay execute is broke. Then you gave the unavoidable curse. Which really isn’t all too bad imo but when paired with everything else it’s just an annoyance. My only issue with sorcs is endless fury. That dumb execute really needs to be looked at because it takes no skill to even use. Just pop endless and have your teammates do the damage so that debuff then goes off awarding you with a free kill you literally did nothing to get.

Whats the difference between endless being spammed when everyone targets a player or a templar beaming you then everyone targeting that player?

Joy_Division

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

I've played the game since console release, both pvp and pve. I've gotten flawless conqueror on 4 toons and generally have a good handle of the game.

One thing I've always struggled with is fighting magsorcs. Yes I have killed them, but more often than not, when I run into a magsorc of higher skill, I'm usually on the losing end. I don't have too much of a problem against other specs, other than magdk, but that's a discussion for another time.

My biggest disadvantage is being in medium armour, which relies on dodge to survive. Problem is, curse and endless fury are undodgeable. The rune cage change is great, but I still get nuked by endless fury, which is the one ability I have the most trouble trying to counter.

I run bone pirate, spriggans and bloodspawn. I know spriggans doesn't help against shields and have been farming direfrost keep for hulking draugr weapons that never drop.

Here's a typical scenario. I pop immovable pot, poison inject, gap close and pressure with surprise attack. When their shields go down, I fear and incap.

Problem is, a lot of times while I'm taking down their shields, my health is going from 100 to 20, then they pop fury and I die.

I have rally up almost all the time and use vigor when health drops, but vigor won't take me out of 20% fast enough.

What should I do?

Don't mean to sound crass, but you say you are getting beat by better sorcs and that is precisely your issue. As much of people like to say ESO caters to "noobs" and that skill hardly matters, that is not the case at all. This game with its power creep is especially unforgiving when there is a skill (or gear/CP) gap, an inexperienced player is going to get quickly destroyed by someone who knows that they are doing, so much so they'll often insist they were cheated or their opponent used macros.

As others pointed out, I don't think BS is a great fit for a NB: Incap is cheap as it is and your primary defense is to avoid getting hit in the first place. Like all classes, you need to time your burst when a sorc's shields are down. A good sorc is not going to allow that to happen very easily and in a 1v1 shields are strong so you've got to outplay them.

Waffennacht

Stam NB winning against a sorc

Possible way 1: sneak/cloak cast 2 or 3 Snipes and watch all land at once killing sorc

Possible way 2: if the sorc doesn't front bar a shield, open with Surprise attack, hard CC, then Dawnbreaker or incap, then spam execute as they spam healing ward - you will win

Possible way 3: bleeds + spin2win, interrupt any attempt to cast a channelled spell

Possible way 4: cloak and try step 1

josh.lackey_ESO

Just wait until Murkmire drops, they are going to nerf shields and buff stamblades. But you won't have to worry about fighting sorcs anymore --they will all have quit the game.

Finviuswe

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Just wait until Murkmire drops, they are going to nerf shields and buff stamblades. But you won't have to worry about fighting sorcs anymore --they will all have quit the game.

You can only gather that ZOS doesn't want people playing sorcs anymore.

I can't say if I've been killed by a sorc this entire patch. But I also haven't seen many out there. I've dabbled in sorc quite a lot but I haven't been playing much this patch. There are just better options.

mikey_reach

I can see how it can be troublesome for a stamblade i would say have injection up as much as possible just so i can keep recasting,force his sustain stun a lot. Im a magblade main and its easier for us because we have crippling grasp a good dot and immobilize which i usually combine with fear so they end up using stamina twice in a row only once i think they are low on stam i try to get them when they are about to recast shields and i incap them with a quick grasp and concealed weps and skoria usuallu finishes them off.

Nicko_Lps

Checkmath wrote: »

Endless fury was changed last patch and is now dodgeable, also the debuff part which executes. So you really only have to worry about curse now, which you should be able to outheal easely. Apply your vigor at least before curse damages you to prevent going down from a good combo.

Now all we need is a dodge-able curse to make nightblades feel better and worry about nothing xD

Priyasekarssk

Waffennacht wrote: »

Stam NB winning against a sorc

Possible way 1: sneak/cloak cast 2 or 3 Snipes and watch all land at once killing sorc

Possible way 2: if the sorc doesn't front bar a shield, open with Surprise attack, hard CC, then Dawnbreaker or incap, then spam execute as they spam healing ward - you will win

Possible way 3: bleeds + spin2win, interrupt any attempt to cast a channelled spell

Possible way 4: cloak and try step 1

Have 8K weapon damage. Go behind in sneak. Surprise attack or incap or ballista .... I am tired. Cloak again. Target is dead. Most extraordinary skill required. OP is a big troll and you people all are feeding him or her.

Lexxypwns

Daus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like Balorgh, hold your ult, wait til shields are about to drop, Incap-Scourge-GG

Honestly this set is a game changer against shield stacking; plus if you have enough ult stored your Incap will also knock them down.

Not necessarily on topic, but this set is a game changer for intelligent play. It just fits so well with solo/small scale play styles where you often spend a large portion of the fight doing things to mitigate damage(kiting, turtling, trying to position enemies for your burst) and that means you can often end up with 300+ ult saved up before you’re really able to go offensive and now you get rewarded more for it.

Imo, it’s basically BiS on everything but DK

IAVITNI

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like Balorgh, hold your ult, wait til shields are about to drop, Incap-Scourge-GG

Honestly this set is a game changer against shield stacking; plus if you have enough ult stored your Incap will also knock them down.

Not necessarily on topic, but this set is a game changer for intelligent play. It just fits so well with solo/small scale play styles where you often spend a large portion of the fight doing things to mitigate damage(kiting, turtling, trying to position enemies for your burst) and that means you can often end up with 300+ ult saved up before you’re really able to go offensive and now you get rewarded more for it.

Imo, it’s basically BiS on everything but DK

Off the off-topic, why do you not think it works on DK. Is it simply because it loses to bloodspawn?

I tried out a Balorg+Werewolf Hide+Asylum2h with Tava backbar for fun. Build had many short-comings since I didn't optimize it at all (tbh I didn't think it be good, but sounded funny) but the increase in damage was very noticeable after ultimates. Corrosive Armor became an insane ultimate.

Currently build-testing a lot of off-meta/bad ideas on stam DK so I'd love to hear your reasoning.

Lexxypwns

IAVITNI wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

I like Balorgh, hold your ult, wait til shields are about to drop, Incap-Scourge-GG

Honestly this set is a game changer against shield stacking; plus if you have enough ult stored your Incap will also knock them down.

Not necessarily on topic, but this set is a game changer for intelligent play. It just fits so well with solo/small scale play styles where you often spend a large portion of the fight doing things to mitigate damage(kiting, turtling, trying to position enemies for your burst) and that means you can often end up with 300+ ult saved up before you’re really able to go offensive and now you get rewarded more for it.

Imo, it’s basically BiS on everything but DK

Off the off-topic, why do you not think it works on DK. Is it simply because it loses to bloodspawn?

I tried out a Balorg+Werewolf Hide+Asylum2h with Tava backbar for fun. Build had many short-comings since I didn't optimize it at all (tbh I didn't think it be good, but sounded funny) but the increase in damage was very noticeable after ultimates. Corrosive Armor became an insane ultimate.

Currently build-testing a lot of off-meta/bad ideas on stam DK so I'd love to hear your reasoning.

It’s not that it doesn’t work, it’s just that it doesn’t synergize well with Battle Roar. It’s still usable, but I sometimes have to ult when it’s available because I need those resources. You could use it as long as you build enough sustain to not really need battle roar

Tommy_The_Gun

OP - I had the same problem till I tweaked my build a little (need more magicka) and I sloted Purge.
It removes negative effects thus - it breaks the delayed dmg combo.
If you will be struggling to have enough magicka to cast it - you can always pick Efficient Purge morph - which reduces the cost.

evoniee

a good mag sorc has an insane amount of raw magicka pool / damage so its hard to deal with. and we cant out resource them unless we use resource poison or using certain races/ sets.

first things first maintain your health and resource while keep pressuring them, watchout from their burst, do not be over aggressive.
secondly you need to know your burst window and play a lil bit of mind game, make sure all the things you need to burst is ready and not in cooldown (weapon damage enhanctment, poison spectral bow, incap, velidreth, senche bite, ravager, 7 legion, etc), then make enemy not ready to cast shield (you can kite them or pretend to losing the fight).
lastly do the rotation as fast as you can get, that mean we need to practice.

Nicko_Lps

With the new changes you only have to have shade active (just in case) and LA-supAtack LA-supAttack,vigor if you remember it but if you forget dont worry he wont be able to dps with 1 sec cast time shields.

That is the main reason shields get nerfed, for Non l2p forum whineblades to find their way to glory with 2 keys.

WreckfulAbandon

Here's a 4 step program for beating mSorc on stamblade. Stop at whichever works for you and start at #1.

1) know your class/their class and have a good build (this works for many already)

2) git gud (this also works for many)

3) equip shieldbreaker (sadly this is necessary for some)

4) wait until Murkmire goes live (don't worry, there's light at the end of the tunnel)

ScruffyWhiskers

A couple of years ago I made a similar thread. It was following the magicka and stamina split worlds. I wasn't even a stam blade and I was using an unmorphed teleport strike because lotus fan was still terrible. If you read the thread you will see some pretty good advice. Pretty funny in retrospect.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/156589/help-me-kill-sorcs

Nothing has really changed over the years even with the 6 second limit...which elicited its own extended beard tearing and wailing. I suspect that nothing really will after this update. And I would bet dimes to donuts that the cast time gets dropped but we will see. The fact is that mag sorcs have been a very powerful class for a long time. The class tools make a even a modest player tough to beat and a good player a demi-god. I seriously doubt that much will change.

Nicko_Lps

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

A couple of years ago I made a similar thread. It was following the magicka and stamina split worlds. I wasn't even a stam blade and I was using an unmorphed teleport strike because lotus fan was still terrible. If you read the thread you will see some pretty good advice. Pretty funny in retrospect.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/156589/help-me-kill-sorcs

Nothing has really changed over the years even with the 6 second limit...which elicited its own extended beard tearing and wailing. I suspect that nothing really will after this update. And I would bet dimes to donuts that the cast time gets dropped but we will see. The fact is that mag sorcs have been a very powerful class for a long time. The class tools make a even a modest player tough to beat and a good player a demi-god. I seriously doubt that much will change.

A bleed stamblade and a GOOD magblade cant 100% rekt a GOOD magsorc. You guys just need to L2P. Thats all


But mommy ZoS listens to children forum tears making magsorc useless so even a supAttack supAttack spammer can kill it.

Thats the kind of game balance you guys + ZoS wants.

ScruffyWhiskers

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

A bleed stamblade and a GOOD magblade cant 100% rekt a GOOD magsorc. You guys just need to L2P. Thats all


But mommy ZoS listens to children forum tears making magsorc useless so even a supAttack supAttack spammer can kill it.

Thats the kind of game balance you guys + ZoS wants.

Well that settles it then. Buff Sorcs!

Nicko_Lps

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Nicko_Lps wrote: »

A bleed stamblade and a GOOD magblade cant 100% rekt a GOOD magsorc. You guys just need to L2P. Thats all


But mommy ZoS listens to children forum tears making magsorc useless so even a supAttack supAttack spammer can kill it.

Thats the kind of game balance you guys + ZoS wants.

Well that settles it then. Buff Sorcs!

Buff/nerf? Whocares. ZoS developer META is: Sell warden class + keep forum whineblades pleased