Who Wants a CP Battleground Option?

mr_wazzabi

I get why currently battlegrounds are no cp, but I would want zos to separate battlegrounds into a cp and no cp category, then allow the player to decide.

I want to be able to use the extra regen etc that I've grown accustomed to. Currently with no cp, bg has a very different feel and the gameplay is very different as a result.

Let us play the way we do in cyrodiil but in small groups zos.

Please.

CatchMeTrolling

Nope. The mmr is already all over the place, splitting people up would just mess things up even more. Besides cp in a controlled environment is ridiculous, too many drawn out fights. Which defeats the purpose of quick instanced fast paced pvp.

Urvoth

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

Asardes

Well if people want it they may have it. However I tried BGs while they were CP only and they were quite bad: endless slog fests against healbots and perma-blockers. I like no-CP PvP in general, and no-CP BGs in particular for the fast pace and unforgiving nature. I like fights to be bursty.

jaws343

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

That is your opinion.

And all of the player-base now has access to BG so the lack of player argument doesn't hold much water anymore. And it could be that if the community is lacking in players it's because they do not like No-CP play. Which makes more sense because Vivec is always the more competitive populated campaign.

I think CP queues would be great and provide far better gameplay for players who play in CP campaigns as it is. CP and No-CP requires completely different builds and play-styles and not having a CP option is punishing players who would prefer to play with CP like they already do in the most popular campaign in Cyrodil.

And CP was never the problem with BGs. Pre-made groups were.

Aliyavana

Just learn no cp, the population is already bad even with them being base game

VaranisArano

We tried CP Battlegrounds. Heck, I wanted CP battlegrounds, being a CP PVPer in Cyrodiil. Then we actually got them.

Thing is, they didn't do that well, because CP allows for very defensive builds in a way that No CP doesn't. Ever tried to deal with a 4 man farming group in Cyrodiil with 3 other PUGs? Yeah, that rarely turns out well. But in Cyrodiil, you at least have the option to walk away or call in backup. In CP Battlegrounds, you cant do either and just habe to keep fighting that really tanky farm group.

Rather than open up a can of worms by trying to adjust tank builds that were balanced for the larger battles of CP Cyrodiil but rather unbalanced for 4v4v4 battles, ZOS chose to revert back to No CP Battlegrounds. This made it harder to build the very defensive builds and made it easier to have fast, hard hitting battles - which most people decided we liked better after comparing it to the slow knock-down-drag-em-out fights and super tanky builds of CP BGs.

Or in other words, CP BGs had their shot. They were slow, tanky, and hard for ZOS to balance relative to Cyrodiil. Instead, ZOS chose to return to the hard-hitting fast-paced No CP BGs and I don't expect them to change it back.

Drakkdjinn

not me

Qwazzy

Let's make Cyrodiil NO-CP only.

Strider__Roshin

It would be nice to have the option. The non-CP PvP would have been more balanced if it weren't for proc sets, and resource poisons, but unfortunately Zenimax believes that such carcinogens are fun.

mr_wazzabi

Daus wrote: »

It would be nice to have the option. The non-CP PvP would have been more balanced if it weren't for proc sets, and resource poisons, but unfortunately Zenimax believes that such carcinogens are fun.

Resource poisons should be disabled in battlegrounds

Drakkdjinn

Daus wrote: »

It would be nice to have the option. The non-CP PvP would have been more balanced if it weren't for proc sets, and resource poisons, but unfortunately Zenimax believes that such carcinogens are fun.

And so does the playerbase. I'll take cancer gear over cancer points AND cancer gear anyday.

VaranisArano

Qwazz wrote: »

Let's make Cyrodiil NO-CP only.

They tried that for two weeks last year. No thanks.

They also tried to have only one CP campaign and 2 No CP Campaigns last year (+Kyne). Well, there's a reason we have Shor (CP 7-day) now and not Almalexia (No CP 7-day).

I like CP PVP in Cyrodiil, even though I realize its not everyone's cup of tea.

Thogard

CP BGs were crap. Don’t get me wrong, I did really well in them... but CP tends to exaggerate the skill differences between new players and vet players.

Emma_Overload

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

MurderMostFoul

jaws343 wrote: »

And CP was never the problem with BGs. Pre-made groups were.

Endless fights against defense stacking builds in CP BGs was a major problem whether or not you were dealing with pre-mades. It completely drained the fun from BGs.

Koolio

I do

Drakkdjinn

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

That is not a legitimate concern in this discussion; your build is either not optimized to function without CP or you're too used to crutching on CP sustain that allows you to spam CP shields inefficiently which does not work in no CP; you have to pay attention to resource management & learn what to shield and what to kite/take to the face. The shield sizes in NoCP are more than sufficient for experienced magsorc mains:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xeerK03Qp8

Simply because you refuse to adjust for noCP does not a BG format argument make.

P.S. that dude plays on PC NA with Australian ping & can still shield behind all that lag to pop fools in NoCP, with only 17k HP behind the shield nonetheless.

Aliyavana

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

Gotta change your build around and not rely on shields for clutching. Mag sorcs are amazing for pvp

Urvoth

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

I'm a magsorc and can use my shields fine in no-CP. In fact, I only use 2 and slot boundless storm instead since the extra mobility is amazing in BGs. You just have to adjust for not being able to spam as much and run sustain sets and pots.

Sevn

I prefer no cp personally. Less reliance on bloated stats and more reliance on player skill.

exeeter702

mr_wazzabi wrote: »

I get why currently battlegrounds are no cp, but I would want zos to separate battlegrounds into a cp and no cp category, then allow the player to decide.

I want to be able to use the extra regen etc that I've grown accustomed to. Currently with no cp, bg has a very different feel and the gameplay is very different as a result.

Let us play the way we do in cyrodiil but in small groups zos.

Please.

Severing the already small player base that participates in BGs into 2 separate groups is not ideal. You may want CP bgs to allow you to play your particular build to its full potential, but you most def. will not want the atrocious queue times that will come with that.

That speaks nothing to the issues inherent with cp pvp in general. We had CP bgs and they were a joke.

Emma_Overload

Urvoth wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

I'm a magsorc and can use my shields fine in no-CP. In fact, I only use 2 and slot boundless storm instead since the extra mobility is amazing in BGs. You just have to adjust for not being able to spam as much and run sustain sets and pots.

Sustain isn't the problem. The problem is that the moment you get focused by more than one player, you are dead. Builds that use resistance and healing or dodging, however, are still very strong in No-CP.

By the way, everyone in this thread calling damage shields a "crutch" are simply exposing their ignorance of how mag sorcs function.

Zer0oo

i like cp pvp more and really would appreciate if we could get also cp bgs. If the amount of ppl is the problem just let ppl who like faster ques que for both cp and no-cp.

Both cp and no-cp have balance issues but in my opinion cp-pvp is at the moment more balanced.

SugaComa

Solution is very simple ...

Everyone gets same armour n stats

You queue chouse your role, choose heavy medium or light armour n game equips you with your choice ... Only thing seiersting players now is skill

I know it would never work

Shame ... Worked for socom for yrs

ChiknAriseMcFro

For personal reasons aside from the aforementioned small player base I'm inclined to say no. I thought it would be neat but they need to fix the broken first. Like points not applying to leaderboard scores.

Kel

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

I'm a magsorc and can use my shields fine in no-CP. In fact, I only use 2 and slot boundless storm instead since the extra mobility is amazing in BGs. You just have to adjust for not being able to spam as much and run sustain sets and pots.

Sustain isn't the problem. The problem is that the moment you get focused by more than one player, you are dead. Builds that use resistance and healing or dodging, however, are still very strong in No-CP.

By the way, everyone in this thread calling damage shields a "crutch" are simply exposing their ignorance of how mag sorcs function.

Anytime a sorc get focused on in Cyrodiil by more than one player they are dead, too. Shields or not. That's why sorcs have bolt escape. Shields are not the end all be all for survival, even with cp.
Mag sorcs who adapt to no cp do amazing. It's not ignorance, it's over reliance on stacking a ability you've convinced yourself you can't do without.
Notice my score? Notice I'm playing a sorc?
It's absolutely doable, you just have to adjust how you play. You are either willing to do that, or you're not, but don't try claiming ignorance.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

Aliyavana

jabrone77 wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

Nah, no CP is better for BGs and there's not enough players for two separate queues.

You're not taking into account players like me who refuse to play without CP. Damage shields are way too small in No-CP.

I'm a magsorc and can use my shields fine in no-CP. In fact, I only use 2 and slot boundless storm instead since the extra mobility is amazing in BGs. You just have to adjust for not being able to spam as much and run sustain sets and pots.

Sustain isn't the problem. The problem is that the moment you get focused by more than one player, you are dead. Builds that use resistance and healing or dodging, however, are still very strong in No-CP.

By the way, everyone in this thread calling damage shields a "crutch" are simply exposing their ignorance of how mag sorcs function.

Anytime a sorc get focused on in Cyrodiil by more than one player they are dead, too. Shields or not. That's why sorcs have bolt escape. Shields are not the end all be all for survival, even with cp.
Mag sorcs who adapt to no cp do amazing. It's not ignorance, it's over reliance on stacking a ability you've convinced yourself you can't do without.
Notice my score? Notice I'm playing a sorc?
It's absolutely doable, you just have to adjust how you play. You are either willing to do that, or you're not, but don't try claiming ignorance.
https://imgur.com/kwh4YTp

great mag sorcs are a pain to kill in no cp

Morgul667

We tried it was a nightmare

No thank you

zParallaxz

I know what the real problems are, I used to want to cp too but in reality I just want my resources that are locked behind cp such as my mag, stam, and health

Drakkdjinn

VaranisArano wrote: »

Qwazz wrote: »

Let's make Cyrodiil NO-CP only.

They tried that for two weeks last year. No thanks.

They also tried to have only one CP campaign and 2 No CP Campaigns last year (+Kyne). Well, there's a reason we have Shor (CP 7-day) now and not Almalexia (No CP 7-day).

I like CP PVP in Cyrodiil, even though I realize its not everyone's cup of tea.

They tried it for 2 weeks last year, pops were locked everyday of the test, not sure why you think that’s a counter-point of any kind.