Why is everyone saying that stamblades are the absolute most powerful class since last patch?

Bam_Bam

So many conflicting points of view! Thanks everyone for staying calm and keeping the discussion civil.
For what it's worth, i have about 8 stam/mag blades. Lol, I love the class, but I totally suck at playing it.
I'm currently unable to play because I'm looking after my friends house so when I heard about the class being improved, it makes me want to get home and get playing again.
With regards to nerfing/buffing classes, I recently rolled my first PROPER magsorc. And I even made them...... An elf. I have sooooooo many more kills with my tree hugging, flowersniffing elf and find it a LOT easier to play and as much as I hate to admit it - I actually enjoy it (and here I need to give a big shout out to @MalcolM24 for a fantastic, fun and dangerous build - thanks mate!).

Sparr0w

Highest damage, lowest survivability. Fair trade off.

Vapirko

DDuke wrote: »

They aren't, they're just the easiest class to play (which is a problem of its own though).

People confuse "easy to play" with "powerful" when they see lots of NBs everywhere, but at the top level the class isn't any stronger/weaker than other classes out there.

Imo I think mag sorc is the easiest class to play all things considered. Or they might be the same level. NBs are strong no doubt, especially in the right hands, but there are a lot of band wagon complainers when it comes to NBs also. I’ve recently begun playing mag sorc, and dusted of my stambalde which I haven’t played in a looong time/much at all to begin with, and overall I do far better on my mag sorc in BGs and open world. They’re both argonian and using similar setups (both shackle breaker then lich/bone pirates), so it’s a pretty even match up. NBs can pull off that one hit kill but if they don’t then you gotta move on and reload. Mag sorcs can keep up the constant pressure and I find my survivability to better.

Jake1576

If your reason for not liking nbs is cause of cloak it's your own fault mages light is op you might think about using it it shuts most night blades down completely

olesmo

Magsorc is the way to go if you want the most OP burst. Rune Cage is *** broken dmg. Their kit is just perfect for 100 to 0 squishy high dmg deling targets

Mohegan_Sneak

Maryal wrote: »

@dwemer_paleologist What? You said "Sloads set can very easily be removed by simply casting the alliance skill called purge." Oblivion damage purgable? Did you test this?

I know you can purge with the blue Betty Magicka warden spell. I went Magicka on my warden playing a non meta build and I can just spam my Betty to get rid of sloads.

CatchMeTrolling

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Summerset hasnt come out yet on xbox one but stamblade doesnt seem to be crazy popular or destroying in bgs, so I'm not sure why people go crazy over them. I think stealth is just a mechanic that naturally annoys people so they have a natural bias against the class.

on Xbox, I actually see magplars/stamplars and magsorcs doing the best in BGs. Magsorcs are the only class that can consistently pump out 800K + damage and their execute gets them ridiculous K/D ratios. MagDK does okay, stamden does well but not played much, stam sorc is hit or miss but there are some dw stam sorcs that do lots of damage overall when theya re on a good team, and then stamblade is good not as impactful as the magplar/magsorc teams. Magblade is very hit or miss. And I pretty much never see magdens since they are just useless.

There's plenty of nbs and actually mag dks and Templars have a better chance at consistently getting the highest numbers because of their aoe damage. Stam sorc and stamdens isn't far behind, the difference is these specs nuke players rather than dragging out fights. Keeping that in mind some numbers are skewed.

Magblade is top tier BTW.

ezeepeezee

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Summerset hasnt come out yet on xbox one but stamblade doesnt seem to be crazy popular or destroying in bgs, so I'm not sure why people go crazy over them. I think stealth is just a mechanic that naturally annoys people so they have a natural bias against the class.

on Xbox, I actually see magplars/stamplars and magsorcs doing the best in BGs. Magsorcs are the only class that can consistently pump out 800K + damage and their execute gets them ridiculous K/D ratios. MagDK does okay, stamden does well but not played much, stam sorc is hit or miss but there are some dw stam sorcs that do lots of damage overall when theya re on a good team, and then stamblade is good not as impactful as the magplar/magsorc teams. Magblade is very hit or miss. And I pretty much never see magdens since they are just useless.

I think you're right about cloak being annoying for people. I don't actually come across many great stam NB's, in BG or open world. The better ones are actually the ones who can fight, not the ones that go for cheap gank bursts. Check out @Gilliamtherogue, he's a fantastic stamblade. I fought him in BGs a few nights ago, he knows what he's doing and does stamblade right.

That said, I actually think that Magplar is probably the top performing class. A properly spec'd magplar is absolutely terrible to fight against. They can put out tremendous pressure and are very, very difficult to pressure back.

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Because sometimes 21k health just isn't enough.

NyassaV

ak_pvp wrote: »

Best burst, since its front loaded and high damage.

Incap is very cheap, high damage, stuns, defiles and gives 20% increase of damage.

Cloak scales extremely well with numbers, mitigates a ot, anmd allows escape, and the counters are kind of poor bar mark. Its why NB is sopopular OW, where if you are spotted, you'll be zerged.

Shade got buffed and is stronk.

Merciless got a few buffs.

IMO, apart from cloak and defile (but as a whole) its fine. There is no reason cloak should mitigate that much damage as well as being invisible.

Merciless got a buff in Morrowind and a QoL fix elsewhere. I'm hesitant to say shade got buffed but sure.

Incap is OP but hey Rune cage is OP too now so whatever

Basically this patch it's stamblade and magsorc with a bit of mDK on the side. Stam Warden still does pretty well in certain enviroments

Jimmy_The_Fixer

Jake1576 wrote: »

If your reason for not liking nbs is cause of cloak it's your own fault mages light is op you might think about using it it shuts most night blades down completely

This is absolutely not true, magelight reveal costs mana, requires melee range, wastes a GCD and negates cloak for 3 whole seconds.

All I have to do to when I get revealed is to use the opportunity to vigor-dodgeroll before just cloaking again. Sad counter.

rfennell_ESO

Bam_Bam wrote: »

I'm having a break from the game while I House-sit and look after my friends' critters. While I've been gone it seems like stamblades have become the most powerful class in the world ever. Did something spectacular happen to the class. Or did everyone forget how to play?

It's likely 100% because incapacitating strike is still broken.

It's the issue, it's broken and it's mostly the rollerblade style of stamblade that uses it (abuses it).

If that's fixed (and it needs to be fixed and has needed it for some time now), stamblades are probably fine.

Gprime31

It’s not the most powerful class, but it is the only class you can solo on anymore

MrDenimChicken

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Summerset hasnt come out yet on xbox one but stamblade doesnt seem to be crazy popular or destroying in bgs, so I'm not sure why people go crazy over them. I think stealth is just a mechanic that naturally annoys people so they have a natural bias against the class.

on Xbox, I actually see magplars/stamplars and magsorcs doing the best in BGs. Magsorcs are the only class that can consistently pump out 800K + damage and their execute gets them ridiculous K/D ratios. MagDK does okay, stamden does well but not played much, stam sorc is hit or miss but there are some dw stam sorcs that do lots of damage overall when theya re on a good team, and then stamblade is good not as impactful as the magplar/magsorc teams. Magblade is very hit or miss. And I pretty much never see magdens since they are just useless.

There's plenty of nbs and actually mag dks and Templars have a better chance at consistently getting the highest numbers because of their aoe damage. Stam sorc and stamdens isn't far behind, the difference is these specs nuke players rather than dragging out fights. Keeping that in mind some numbers are skewed.

Magblade is top tier BTW.

I agree that Templars and MagDK's can pump out serious damage, and might have more potential than mag sorcs. But I tend to see sorcs get more 800k+ damage games, and I play a bunch in bgs.

yeah magblade are definitely good, but I say they are hit or miss because the class isn't an easy class to play overall, compared with mag sorc and magplar. I play magblade and I do very well, but I'll notice other magblade struggling since they don't know how to avoid pressure very well and time their bow combo. A magblade without a defensive set can be pretty squishy in bgs and are usually the first target. But I see others doing well, especially if they run caluurions lol.

Thunderknuckles

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Summerset hasnt come out yet on xbox one but stamblade doesnt seem to be crazy popular or destroying in bgs, so I'm not sure why people go crazy over them. I think stealth is just a mechanic that naturally annoys people so they have a natural bias against the class.

on Xbox, I actually see magplars/stamplars and magsorcs doing the best in BGs. Magsorcs are the only class that can consistently pump out 800K + damage and their execute gets them ridiculous K/D ratios. MagDK does okay, stamden does well but not played much, stam sorc is hit or miss but there are some dw stam sorcs that do lots of damage overall when theya re on a good team, and then stamblade is good not as impactful as the magplar/magsorc teams. Magblade is very hit or miss. And I pretty much never see magdens since they are just useless.

I think you hit the nail on the head with the portion that I bolded and italicized. I play NA/PC and the classes I see 1vX'ing routinely are, in this order, Stamdens, Stamplars, DK's/Sorcs, and then the rest. I really think you're right. It's the stealth aspect that really burns player's Oblivion Portals. If you can lock down a Stamblade their odds of surviving are not good. Eeeeeespecially if two or more are focusing firing them.

WhoThenNow7

How do you get infinite regen with a stam nb?

MalcolM24

Bam_Bam wrote: »

So many conflicting points of view! Thanks everyone for staying calm and keeping the discussion civil.
For what it's worth, i have about 8 stam/mag blades. Lol, I love the class, but I totally suck at playing it.
I'm currently unable to play because I'm looking after my friends house so when I heard about the class being improved, it makes me want to get home and get playing again.
With regards to nerfing/buffing classes, I recently rolled my first PROPER magsorc. And I even made them...... An elf. I have sooooooo many more kills with my tree hugging, flowersniffing elf and find it a LOT easier to play and as much as I hate to admit it - I actually enjoy it (and here I need to give a big shout out to @MalcolM24 for a fantastic, fun and dangerous build - thanks mate!).

Well thank you that's very kind ^^

Animus-ESO

I jumped on my Stam blade today for the first time I'm 3 years (I main magplar) and by the divines this class is sooooo easy mode. Incap is the Only reason though. The ult just gives too much for it being so cheap, on top of nightblades superior ult gen. One incap combined with selenes is GG for 90% of cyro players. I ended up going 35 kills and 1 death in 20 mins (19 killing blows). Stamblade has every tool it would ever need and it makes PvP easy. How to actually balance this issue is easy. Just make Incap the way it was at launch. It only stunned when the target you attacked had more HP then you did. It was basically a counter blow ult. But it took actual skill to use.

GreenSoup2HoT

ak_pvp wrote: »

Best burst, since its front loaded and high damage.

Incap is very cheap, high damage, stuns, defiles and gives 20% increase of damage.

Cloak scales extremely well with numbers, mitigates a ot, anmd allows escape, and the counters are kind of poor bar mark. Its why NB is so popular OW, where if you are spotted, you'll be zerged.

Shade got buffed and is stronk.

Merciless got a few buffs.

IMO, apart from cloak and defile (but as a whole) its fine. There is no reason cloak should mitigate that much damage as well as being invisible.

Doesn't matter what mmo you play, rogues will always be the most popular spec.

ak_pvp

NyassaV wrote: »

ak_pvp wrote: »

Best burst, since its front loaded and high damage.

Incap is very cheap, high damage, stuns, defiles and gives 20% increase of damage.

Cloak scales extremely well with numbers, mitigates a ot, anmd allows escape, and the counters are kind of poor bar mark. Its why NB is sopopular OW, where if you are spotted, you'll be zerged.

Shade got buffed and is stronk.

Merciless got a few buffs.

IMO, apart from cloak and defile (but as a whole) its fine. There is no reason cloak should mitigate that much damage as well as being invisible.

Merciless got a buff in Morrowind and a QoL fix elsewhere. I'm hesitant to say shade got buffed but sure.

Incap is OP but hey Rune cage is OP too now so whatever

Basically this patch it's stamblade and magsorc with a bit of mDK on the side. Stam Warden still does pretty well in certain enviroments

I don't even think incap is that OP lmao. Shields deal with it fine, can be mitigated, ST, can be evaded. Defiles as a whole are a bit bust.
Merciless got a flurry of buffs, QoL or not. Works multiple times per cast, cast time removed so can be animation canceled, it now works when the LA is sent, instead of when it lands.

And I would call untethered shade quite a buff. It can now be put before engagements and up on heights not well reachable. How well it works in practice is debatable obviously since its not got the longest timer, and many Magblades are melee now, but its definitely a good buff.

Whilst not as high as Stamblades and Magsorcs, I see a lot of magblades, Zaan really works well for them.

Lexxypwns

DDuke wrote: »

They aren't, they're just the easiest class to play (which is a problem of its own though).

People confuse "easy to play" with "powerful" when they see lots of NBs everywhere, but at the top level the class isn't any stronger/weaker than other classes out there.

I think its fairly safe to say that heavy armor stamblade is a bit overperforming in the top level of duels and stamblade in general is a bit overperforming in solo. I also think its fair to say that stamblade is basically the last spec you want to add to any group comp if the objective is fighting outnumbered small or large scale and that adding anything else instead will give you superior results.

@MrDenimChicken I'd argue that mageblade is the easiest magika spec to play if you're actually looking to get kills. Even when you're not that good cloak can provide such a cover for your mistakes and its still got a really strong burst combo and insane amounts of fight control. You've got less defensive micromanagement than warden and sorc and a more forgiving offensive toolkit than DK or templar.

Edziu

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

ill tell you why, heres the reason:

years ago sorcerers and dragonights were Both nerfed and brought inline with the rest of the other classes for the main reason that they were overperforming from Launch as well as being over powered in creation which they made an official statement about apologizing and explaining it to us.

Now, Years Later, we see the classes are prety much balanced and at times we all recieve nerfs and sometimes buffs, but those whom played during those days of early game release and saw those nerfs happen and never seeing nightblades recieve the same nerfs are very angry and filled with revenge.

so, due to them not seeing nightblades remain and no Huge nerfs like they had decided to launch a "Nerf Nightblades Campaign" that to this day is still somewhat alive but it seems to be fading.

there are still many who will never stop untill they see nightblades damned and incap and stealth and cloak removed and destroyed and the nightblade classs as a whole just trampled down and unable to fight fairly in PvP AND PvE.

i hope it was not just "Phase 1" or something we will see return, but recently there seems to be more anger showing since the release of summerset isles because no class nerfs were seen may have re-ignighted that anger and Hate.


another part of the problem was the recent use of shieldbreaker set in duels, many many shield spamming sorcerers saw that set as a real threat because it weakens thier shields.

shieldbreaker set is only a threat to those whom have 100% into damage output and zero into defenses.
shieldbreaker set only working by light attacks, and it only works on shields, so if you are not being protected by shields then the set does nothing to you, but these sorcerers are shield spaming sorcerers who have thier shields stacked so strongly that thier unkillable.


well, what happened was someone made the comment about duels claiming that if you wear shield breaker set during a duel then you are weak and unskilled and basicly you are not strong and a bad person because of wearing that set (which is a lie) and if you wear that set then you loose the duel automatically.
that idea then spread into PvP and Guilds began to share that idea as well making the lie spread even as far as this forum and many other forums coupling itself with that "Nerf Nightblades Campaign" that i mentioned earlier and the result is what you see today.

in addition to that summerset patch release came with a set of armor called "sloads"
the sloads set has the ability to cast additional Oblivion damage as shown here:

Sload’s Semblance
LEVEL 50 - CP 160
Type Craftable
Set bonus
(2 items) 1096 Maximum Magicka
(3 items) 1096 Maximum Stamina
(4 items) 129 Spell Damage - 129 Weapon Damage
(5 items) Damaging an enemy has a 10% chance to put a Leeching Shadow on them, dealing 853 Oblivion Damage every 1 second for 6 seconds. This effect can occur every 6 seconds.

as you can imagine, if a nightblade were to wear this set along with shield breaker set it does pose a reason that sorcerers would be Enraged and just angered with the idea that thier class is targeted as a "bad class"

but again it is completely just a mirage an illusion, because as i mentioned earlier shield breaker set will only effect shield spammed sorcerers.
but here we have sloads set added to it which also carries oblivion damage.

the sloads set can very easily be removed by simply casting the alliance skill called "purge". and because sloads only procs every 6 seconds a sorcerer could easily just cast purge to remove sloads.

but, sadly instead of adjusting thier builds for defense, and slotting purge and choosing to not relly so heavily on shields, no, sadly, they refuse that idea, and instead they make complaints on the forums in these type threads and continue thier "Nerf Nightblades Campaign"

i hope that sheds some light on the answer to your question, and reason for this thread.

here I can agree with most of your post and will add that people also dont care about how useless, unplayable piece of *** was nb at game start and was usable after maybe year of buffing him and nerfing other

but dont agree about sload part...as jsut without sload nb had it power, now its just cheesy in other way and not much of any difference for every other class than msorc and nb's, for rest sload dont take to much of part of nb

Edziu

Maryal wrote: »

@dwemer_paleologist What? You said "Sloads set can very easily be removed by simply casting the alliance skill called purge." Oblivion damage purgable? Did you test this?

yes its purgable but @dwemer_paleologist also mean he never fight with single player who can apply to you 2-4+ different dots with many debuffs which will make you purge useless if you want to purge only sload, chance to purge sload is like 10% per cast against average opponent at today's meta

Gilvoth

Edziu wrote: »

Maryal wrote: »

@dwemer_paleologist What? You said "Sloads set can very easily be removed by simply casting the alliance skill called purge." Oblivion damage purgable? Did you test this?

yes its purgable but @dwemer_paleologist also mean he never fight with single player who can apply to you 2-4+ different dots with many debuffs which will make you purge useless if you want to purge only sload, chance to purge sload is like 10% per cast against average opponent at today's meta

yes that is true

IZZEFlameLash

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Summerset hasnt come out yet on xbox one but stamblade doesnt seem to be crazy popular or destroying in bgs, so I'm not sure why people go crazy over them. I think stealth is just a mechanic that naturally annoys people so they have a natural bias against the class.

on Xbox, I actually see magplars/stamplars and magsorcs doing the best in BGs. Magsorcs are the only class that can consistently pump out 800K + damage and their execute gets them ridiculous K/D ratios. MagDK does okay, stamden does well but not played much, stam sorc is hit or miss but there are some dw stam sorcs that do lots of damage overall when theya re on a good team, and then stamblade is good not as impactful as the magplar/magsorc teams. Magblade is very hit or miss. And I pretty much never see magdens since they are just useless.

No class can do 800k damage. And execute kill stealing does not equal them dishing out insane damage. Stamblade is very strong in small team setting. They are only eclipsed by other Stamden in larger group settings. Please stop with the hyperbole.

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Just go right ahead and make yourself a Stam or Magblade. Let us know how easy it is. ha ha ha Tell us all about how you're 1vX'ing with ease while lawling the whole time at all those salty n00bz.

Such a broad statement that probably will be proven false easily. If you think NB is bad, you are probably a n00b on the contrary. NB is not underpowered. It has always been strong even before and after other classes received kicks in their nethers to bring them to their knees.

I main a Stamblade and am no noob with it. I get lots of kills in and I get killed a lot. Nightblades are by no means the apex PvP class in ESO.

Edited to mention that I never said it's underpowered at all. It certainly is not, however, above all other classes.

NB IS above the top dog over the other classes. It is only natural when the game's direction only really favors DPS. Patch after patch, other roles received rather harsh nerfs. And NB deals a lot of damage frontloaded on top of having the best unblockable CC in the game to gain relief from the pressure as well as easily the best class defense skill. Not taking any damage at all (given that you do not have Sload's on you ticking), for 2.9 seconds is huge for 3k magicka cost. No other classes can relieve themselves from pressure like that. Yes, there are people claiming that Cloak is weak skill and what not but it really isn't and NB does not lack in defense at all. The odds of you escaping the wrath of your enemies is much greater with Cloak than any other defensive skills.

Couple that with huge frontloaded burst that may as well end you or will end you soon, you got a class that easily can dominate every other class. This was and still is the only class that can tear full blown tank builds with ease. And as far as I am aware, they also can do very decent healing and tanking in PvE and PvP (even though PvP tanks basically don't exist anymore). Hence, I'd say it is the top class. Other classes need a lot more attention from devs to be on par.

Bam_Bam

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Couple that with huge frontloaded burst that may as well end you or will end you soon, you got a class that easily can dominate every other class. This was and still is the only class that can tear full blown tank builds with ease. And as far as I am aware, they also can do very decent healing and tanking in PvE and PvP (even though PvP tanks basically don't exist anymore). Hence, I'd say it is the top class. Other classes need a lot more attention from devs to be on par.

Sorry, but I'm calling BS on this.

The "huge frontloaded burst" relies on stealth and passives. If those conditions aren't met the burst is nullified and is definitely no longer "huge".

Please explain how an NB is capable of "tearing a full-blown tank build"? Again - I call BS. The very best tanks can and will take on groups of 5-10 (or more!) players at a time. Khaal Drogo and <name> Jones on EU Vivec are excellent tanks. And any NB with any sense will steer clear of such tanks - they certainly won't tear them apart. I'll go up against such tanks with my magsorc but no way with my NB.

IZZEFlameLash

Bam_Bam wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Couple that with huge frontloaded burst that may as well end you or will end you soon, you got a class that easily can dominate every other class. This was and still is the only class that can tear full blown tank builds with ease. And as far as I am aware, they also can do very decent healing and tanking in PvE and PvP (even though PvP tanks basically don't exist anymore). Hence, I'd say it is the top class. Other classes need a lot more attention from devs to be on par.

Sorry, but I'm calling BS on this.

The "huge frontloaded burst" relies on stealth and passives. If those conditions aren't met the burst is nullified and is definitely no longer "huge".

Please explain how an NB is capable of "tearing a full-blown tank build"? Again - I call BS. The very best tanks can and will take on groups of 5-10 (or more!) players at a time. Khaal Drogo and <name> Jones on EU Vivec are excellent tanks. And any NB with any sense will steer clear of such tanks - they certainly won't tear them apart. I'll go up against such tanks with my magsorc but no way with my NB.

When I say they shred tanks, I mean they do it a lot better than any other classes in a shorter time than any other classes.
Here are my points as to why sNB is the best tank killer:
Magicka Sorc:
1. There's no way for a mSorc to make tanks take more damage like NBs can do with Incap.
2. Burst is too delayed, letting tank break free and start healing through Vigor or whatever their healing skill they chose to run. Or even TK healing them.
3. There's no real source of defile for mSorc.
4. Their damage is Magicka, meaning Absorb Magic heals tanks for days.
5. No real pressuring toolkit. Even with pet (which is a huge liability due to how stupid and fragile it is). If tank can handle like 10 people, there's no way that tank cannot handle the pet damage.
6. Cannot drain resources of tank very well because of the above reason.

Stamina NB:
1. Aspect of Terror can bug out and not let tank break free on time due to headache motion playing.
2. Can follow up with Incap which: deals decent damage to tank, especially after applying Major Fracture on them with Surprise Attack, provides Major Defile (competent NBs run at least some CPs into Befoul, looking at around 40~55% healing reduction on top of Battle Spirit), provides 20% Increased Damage Taken debuff on the target.
3. Burst can be done a lot faster than mSorc kill combo.
4. Stamina = no Absorb Magic heals.
5. Tank that cannot heal from defile is a dead or soon-to-be dead tank because pressure starts to mount up especially when Poison Injection starts ticking for execute damage, which nothing short of potion can save them from that execute tick damage.
6. Surprise Attack provides Major Fracture readily and the game's designed in a way that stamina attacks in general deal more damage for cheaper cost.
7. Even if an NB failed to kill the tank in one go, they have drained tank's resources a lot more than mSorc could do as sNB can pressure tanks very efficiently because of above mentioned reasons.

NBs might not care about tanks as much for different reasons than Sorcs. As they can Cloak away and/or don't want to waste time when they could be killing more in the same amount of time it takes for them to kill a tank. Sorcs really steer away from tanks because decent Sorcs know they won't kill a tank unless they know the said tank is not really a good one build/skillwise. They just lack toolkits to kill the tank. They can bang on tank forever and still won't kill the tank who's not completely a beginner. When I play a tank build, I worry more about Stamblades than mSorcs because mSorc is not really a threat to me because of fore-mentioned reasons in pointers. No other class can really replicate the Stamblade kill time on tanks. Without sacrificing damage/sustain like by wearing Durok's.


With Sload's, maybe it will be different but I'd expect Sload's using Stamblades to kill tanks a lot better still.

CatchMeTrolling

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

MrDenimChicken wrote: »

Summerset hasnt come out yet on xbox one but stamblade doesnt seem to be crazy popular or destroying in bgs, so I'm not sure why people go crazy over them. I think stealth is just a mechanic that naturally annoys people so they have a natural bias against the class.

on Xbox, I actually see magplars/stamplars and magsorcs doing the best in BGs. Magsorcs are the only class that can consistently pump out 800K + damage and their execute gets them ridiculous K/D ratios. MagDK does okay, stamden does well but not played much, stam sorc is hit or miss but there are some dw stam sorcs that do lots of damage overall when theya re on a good team, and then stamblade is good not as impactful as the magplar/magsorc teams. Magblade is very hit or miss. And I pretty much never see magdens since they are just useless.

No class can do 800k damage. And execute kill stealing does not equal them dishing out insane damage. Stamblade is very strong in small team setting. They are only eclipsed by other Stamden in larger group settings. Please stop with the hyperbole.

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Thunderknuckles wrote: »

Just go right ahead and make yourself a Stam or Magblade. Let us know how easy it is. ha ha ha Tell us all about how you're 1vX'ing with ease while lawling the whole time at all those salty n00bz.

Such a broad statement that probably will be proven false easily. If you think NB is bad, you are probably a n00b on the contrary. NB is not underpowered. It has always been strong even before and after other classes received kicks in their nethers to bring them to their knees.

I main a Stamblade and am no noob with it. I get lots of kills in and I get killed a lot. Nightblades are by no means the apex PvP class in ESO.

Edited to mention that I never said it's underpowered at all. It certainly is not, however, above all other classes.

NB IS above the top dog over the other classes. It is only natural when the game's direction only really favors DPS. Patch after patch, other roles received rather harsh nerfs. And NB deals a lot of damage frontloaded on top of having the best unblockable CC in the game to gain relief from the pressure as well as easily the best class defense skill. Not taking any damage at all (given that you do not have Sload's on you ticking), for 2.9 seconds is huge for 3k magicka cost. No other classes can relieve themselves from pressure like that. Yes, there are people claiming that Cloak is weak skill and what not but it really isn't and NB does not lack in defense at all. The odds of you escaping the wrath of your enemies is much greater with Cloak than any other defensive skills.

Couple that with huge frontloaded burst that may as well end you or will end you soon, you got a class that easily can dominate every other class. This was and still is the only class that can tear full blown tank builds with ease. And as far as I am aware, they also can do very decent healing and tanking in PvE and PvP (even though PvP tanks basically don't exist anymore). Hence, I'd say it is the top class. Other classes need a lot more attention from devs to be on par.

What do you mean by no class can do 800k damage? You can do well beyond that in bgs

KingJ

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IZZEFlameLash wrote: »

Couple that with huge frontloaded burst that may as well end you or will end you soon, you got a class that easily can dominate every other class. This was and still is the only class that can tear full blown tank builds with ease. And as far as I am aware, they also can do very decent healing and tanking in PvE and PvP (even though PvP tanks basically don't exist anymore). Hence, I'd say it is the top class. Other classes need a lot more attention from devs to be on par.

Sorry, but I'm calling BS on this.

The "huge frontloaded burst" relies on stealth and passives. If those conditions aren't met the burst is nullified and is definitely no longer "huge".

Please explain how an NB is capable of "tearing a full-blown tank build"? Again - I call BS. The very best tanks can and will take on groups of 5-10 (or more!) players at a time. Khaal Drogo and <name> Jones on EU Vivec are excellent tanks. And any NB with any sense will steer clear of such tanks - they certainly won't tear them apart. I'll go up against such tanks with my magsorc but no way with my NB.

When I say they shred tanks, I mean they do it a lot better than any other classes in a shorter time than any other classes.
Here are my points as to why sNB is the best tank killer:
Magicka Sorc:
1. There's no way for a mSorc to make tanks take more damage like NBs can do with Incap.
2. Burst is too delayed, letting tank break free and start healing through Vigor or whatever their healing skill they chose to run. Or even TK healing them.
3. There's no real source of defile for mSorc.
4. Their damage is Magicka, meaning Absorb Magic heals tanks for days.
5. No real pressuring toolkit. Even with pet (which is a huge liability due to how stupid and fragile it is). If tank can handle like 10 people, there's no way that tank cannot handle the pet damage.
6. Cannot drain resources of tank very well because of the above reason.

Stamina NB:
1. Aspect of Terror can bug out and not let tank break free on time due to headache motion playing.
2. Can follow up with Incap which: deals decent damage to tank, especially after applying Major Fracture on them with Surprise Attack, provides Major Defile (competent NBs run at least some CPs into Befoul, looking at around 40~55% healing reduction on top of Battle Spirit), provides 20% Increased Damage Taken debuff on the target.
3. Burst can be done a lot faster than mSorc kill combo.
4. Stamina = no Absorb Magic heals.
5. Tank that cannot heal from defile is a dead or soon-to-be dead tank because pressure starts to mount up especially when Poison Injection starts ticking for execute damage, which nothing short of potion can save them from that execute tick damage.
6. Surprise Attack provides Major Fracture readily and the game's designed in a way that stamina attacks in general deal more damage for cheaper cost.
7. Even if an NB failed to kill the tank in one go, they have drained tank's resources a lot more than mSorc could do as sNB can pressure tanks very efficiently because of above mentioned reasons.

NBs might not care about tanks as much for different reasons than Sorcs. As they can Cloak away and/or don't want to waste time when they could be killing more in the same amount of time it takes for them to kill a tank. Sorcs really steer away from tanks because decent Sorcs know they won't kill a tank unless they know the said tank is not really a good one build/skillwise. They just lack toolkits to kill the tank. They can bang on tank forever and still won't kill the tank who's not completely a beginner. When I play a tank build, I worry more about Stamblades than mSorcs because mSorc is not really a threat to me because of fore-mentioned reasons in pointers. No other class can really replicate the Stamblade kill time on tanks. Without sacrificing damage/sustain like by wearing Durok's.


With Sload's, maybe it will be different but I'd expect Sload's using Stamblades to kill tanks a lot better still.

Why did you use trollking in your argument against magsorc but not in your argument for NB?

Also your just adding crap to make magsorc seems weak.Why not talk about if the tank have immovable potions than the nb can't fear the tank but the sorc can still damage the tank with curse.

Also who tf us Absorb magica.No one.

Also magsorc burst being delayed is a good thing against tanks since they can time their entire burst to 1 tap the tank before he can heal up.Rune cage + Meteor+ curse+frag/ fury your not surviving as a Against NB if he beating you down you can heal out of it.Tanks have great healing and other souces to reduce damage like minor protection or Maim.

Waffennacht

Stam sorc seems to me the antithesis of Stam nb