Why does a set like this exist?

MalakithAlamahdi

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

SugaComa

I don't even know what I'm seeing ... It just says damage health ... I'm going to need more information and some context please

Gilvoth

you mean the same exact way that you kill our only defence of stealth and kill us because we are out of stealth?

if we do not try to stealth then we wont die.

and if you dont shield stack then you wont have a problem.

there are builds to counter shield breaker set, many sorcerers are surviving right through shield breaker set and killing the shield breaker wearer.


right now, if you go to cryodiil you will find sorcerers killing just as equally as the shield breaker wearers are

sometimes the sorcerers win and sometimes the shieldbreaker wearer wins. and That is a fair fight.

without shieldbreaker set the shield stackers win 100% of the time.



shieldbreaker set allows for a fair fight when fighting shield stackers

Joy_Division

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

Wait until Summserset

Gilvoth

lets take a look at a set that is Worse that is used against stealthers:


Sentry Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 1096 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Increases the radius you can detect Sneaking enemies by 50%. Increases your damage done to Sneaking enemies by 20%.

this has the same effect and many other sets like it exist that not only destroy stealthers but also pots and skills are ingame to KILL stealthers easily

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentry+Set

Gilvoth

Joy_Division wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

Wait until Summserset

you also now in summerset have increased SHIELDs and there is even a set that is making shields 50% stronger.

Seraphayel

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

lets take a look at a set that is Worse that is used against stealthers:


Sentry Set


LEVEL 50 CHAMPION 160

(2 items) Adds 1096 Max Stamina

(3 items) Adds 129 Weapon Damage

(4 items) Adds 1096 Weapon Critical

(5 items) Increases the radius you can detect Sneaking enemies by 50%. Increases your damage done to Sneaking enemies by 20%.

this has the same effect and many other sets like it exist that not only destroy stealthers but also pots and skills are ingame to KILL stealthers easily

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sentry+Set

Except most of that stuff is crap compared to Shieldbreaker.

Seraphayel

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

Wait until Summserset

you also now in summerset have increased SHIELDs and there is even a set that is making shields 50% stronger.

Which set makes shields stronger? A set that's basically CP Bastion with like 200 points in it? Sure. At least I haven't seen this set yet in the Summerset notes.

Adenoma

I’m curious if there’s anyone out there that has actually ever used Sentry, haha. I like that that’s a strawman in defense of Shieldbreaker.

More on topic, I think oblivion damage in general is a poor addition to pvp. It’s silly to have something that’s just unmitigated. I feel the same way about other types of damage like bleeds not taking resists into consideration, but I think that both bleeds and oblivion are fine where they are in PvP. They’re just lazy design that draws the ire of select groups like magsorcs.

Thogard

I personally find it hilarious that all of you are talking about how overpowered shieldbreaker is when it had nothing to do with that recap.

That’s a torug’s pact + infused recap.

Edit: actually torigs + infused would hit harder. It’s either torugs OR infused. Hard to tell without knowing the quality of the enchant
edit2: i should've trusted my gut but i was getting thrown off by the faulty tooltips on obliv dmg enchants in CP.

It is definitely torugs + infused.

Kova

It exists because people want to see kills, not fights.

Every addition to pvp since imperial city has been based around the concept of "free damage." The same players that would use shield breaker are the same players that will stack poisons and proc sets if given the chance.

It's the same players that switch from class to class everytime there's a balance patch because their current class can no longer perform at the level they want to be at, which is to 100-0 any player at will with as few button pushes as possible, and this absolutely includes sorcs. (Which you will see next patch.)

I wish we could bring back combat based around what you actually do instead of what percentage of statuses are currently in effect, but the active combat eso was deleted and isn't coming back.

Minalan

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you mean the same exact way that you kill our only defence of stealth and kill us because we are out of stealth?

if we do not try to stealth then we wont die.

and if you dont shield stack then you wont have a problem.

there are builds to counter shield breaker set, many sorcerers are surviving right through shield breaker set and killing the shield breaker wearer.


right now, if you go to cryodiil you will find sorcerers killing just as equally as the shield breaker wearers are

sometimes the sorcerers win and sometimes the shieldbreaker wearer wins. and That is a fair fight.

without shieldbreaker set the shield stackers win 100% of the time.



shieldbreaker set allows for a fair fight when fighting shield stackers

Ignore this guy. He’s a stamina nightblade that can’t kill a Sorc. No seriously, he hasn’t figured out how to incap and follow up.

He’s just loves his ‘nerf sorc’ posts. And his shieldbreaker set.

Thogard

Minalan wrote: »

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you mean the same exact way that you kill our only defence of stealth and kill us because we are out of stealth?

if we do not try to stealth then we wont die.

and if you dont shield stack then you wont have a problem.

there are builds to counter shield breaker set, many sorcerers are surviving right through shield breaker set and killing the shield breaker wearer.


right now, if you go to cryodiil you will find sorcerers killing just as equally as the shield breaker wearers are

sometimes the sorcerers win and sometimes the shieldbreaker wearer wins. and That is a fair fight.

without shieldbreaker set the shield stackers win 100% of the time.



shieldbreaker set allows for a fair fight when fighting shield stackers

Ignore this guy. He’s a stamina nightblade that can’t kill a Sorc. No seriously, he hasn’t figured out how to incap and follow up.

He’s just loves his ‘nerf sorc’ posts. And his shieldbreaker set.

Yeah everyone knows that by now

Amdar_Godkiller

Joy_Division wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

Wait until Summserset

Truth. Passive shields from the Psijic line make it a tasty set for this coming patch.

Rickter

thats what you shield stackers GET!! hahaha!

EDIT: wait - that aint shieldbreaker. . .. shieldbreaker shows up as shield breaker dmg - that oblivion icon indicates its oblivion dmg enchants or the new sload set - lul

Thogard

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

Wait until Summserset

Truth. Passive shields from the Psijic line make it a tasty set for this coming patch.

that. isn't. shieldbreaker

Torug + infused works on everybody. No shields required.

Amdar_Godkiller

Thogard wrote: »

Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

I'm amazed that people are okay with a set that counters a classes main and only form of active defence by just light attacking.

Wait until Summserset

Truth. Passive shields from the Psijic line make it a tasty set for this coming patch.

that. isn't. shieldbreaker

Torug + infused works on everybody. No shields required.

I know. I was responding to someone who was obviously referencing shield breaker though.

raasdal

You got hit by a 2k enchant probably every 1.6 second or so. It has a clear audio warning. You did not adapt to being countered. You had at least 10 seconda to realise what was going on. Sorry, but that is a L2P issue. No different than defiling a healbot, using detect pot on a NB or using unblockable CC on a permablocker.

Waffennacht

That's only 10k health, all the same player,

Please don't tell me you had 10+ GCDs to LoS or counter... But didn't

Kartalin

Infused Torugs cooldown is...2 seconds? So the assumption is that OP died while afk.

Thogard

Kartalin wrote: »

Infused Torugs cooldown is...2 seconds? So the assumption is that OP died while afk.

I think it’s 1.4 seconds. I used to run Torug and infused on my Stam DK and the recaps on sorcs would always look like OP’s picture, even if he was taking damage from other things as well. I think the death recap prioritizes weapon glyphs for some reason.

PS @Kartalin we don’t have any shared discord servers anymore so I can’t send you messages in disc but I wanted to apologize for the nonsense you went through on my discord server. IIRC the people involved weren’t in my guild. Sorry anyway though and I hope you’re doing well.

Waffennacht

Thogard wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Infused Torugs cooldown is...2 seconds? So the assumption is that OP died while afk.

I think it’s 1.4 seconds. I used to run Torug and infused on my Stam DK and the recaps on sorcs would always look like OP’s picture, even if he was taking damage from other things as well. I think the death recap prioritizes weapon glyphs for some reason.

PS @Kartalin we don’t have any shared discord servers anymore so I can’t send you messages in disc but I wanted to apologize for the nonsense you went through on my discord server. IIRC the people involved weren’t in my guild. Sorry anyway though and I hope you’re doing well.

Thing is, if he took 5 GCDs from a set, that's 5 GCD despite all incoming damage (aka if he died in 2 GCDs there's no possibility of getting 5 torugs in (or any other GCD set))

So, giving the benefit of the doubt to OP, and he was 1vX and died... Then... Seems legit (as in, yeah I'm sure someone is running a build to prevent you from killing 5 of them) and if it wasn't 1vX it's "what were you doing?"

Thogard

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Infused Torugs cooldown is...2 seconds? So the assumption is that OP died while afk.

I think it’s 1.4 seconds. I used to run Torug and infused on my Stam DK and the recaps on sorcs would always look like OP’s picture, even if he was taking damage from other things as well. I think the death recap prioritizes weapon glyphs for some reason.

PS @Kartalin we don’t have any shared discord servers anymore so I can’t send you messages in disc but I wanted to apologize for the nonsense you went through on my discord server. IIRC the people involved weren’t in my guild. Sorry anyway though and I hope you’re doing well.

Thing is, if he took 5 GCDs from a set, that's 5 GCD despite all incoming damage (aka if he died in 2 GCDs there's no possibility of getting 5 torugs in (or any other GCD set))

So, giving the benefit of the doubt to OP, and he was 1vX and died... Then... Seems legit (as in, yeah I'm sure someone is running a build to prevent you from killing 5 of them) and if it wasn't 1vX it's "what were you doing?"

That’s not how the death recap works for shield users against a torug infused oblivion build.

Take your logical thinking and throw it out the window

Waffennacht

Thogard wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Thogard wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

Infused Torugs cooldown is...2 seconds? So the assumption is that OP died while afk.

I think it’s 1.4 seconds. I used to run Torug and infused on my Stam DK and the recaps on sorcs would always look like OP’s picture, even if he was taking damage from other things as well. I think the death recap prioritizes weapon glyphs for some reason.

PS @Kartalin we don’t have any shared discord servers anymore so I can’t send you messages in disc but I wanted to apologize for the nonsense you went through on my discord server. IIRC the people involved weren’t in my guild. Sorry anyway though and I hope you’re doing well.

Thing is, if he took 5 GCDs from a set, that's 5 GCD despite all incoming damage (aka if he died in 2 GCDs there's no possibility of getting 5 torugs in (or any other GCD set))

So, giving the benefit of the doubt to OP, and he was 1vX and died... Then... Seems legit (as in, yeah I'm sure someone is running a build to prevent you from killing 5 of them) and if it wasn't 1vX it's "what were you doing?"

That’s not how the death recap works for shield users against a torug infused oblivion build.

Take your logical thinking and throw it out the window

Feanor

No matter the source, oblivion damage should have stayed a PvE mechanic if anything. Damage you cannot mitigate is a bad design idea.

The_Brosteen

Just popped in to say nerf sorcs.

Carry on.

Stratforge

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

you mean the same exact way that you kill our only defence of stealth and kill us because we are out of stealth?

if we do not try to stealth then we wont die.

and if you dont shield stack then you wont have a problem.

there are builds to counter shield breaker set, many sorcerers are surviving right through shield breaker set and killing the shield breaker wearer.


right now, if you go to cryodiil you will find sorcerers killing just as equally as the shield breaker wearers are

sometimes the sorcerers win and sometimes the shieldbreaker wearer wins. and That is a fair fight.

without shieldbreaker set the shield stackers win 100% of the time.



shieldbreaker set allows for a fair fight when fighting shield stackers

That's like, the exact opposite of what the set does.

Shieldbreaker was a bad ZoS attempt to balance shields without actually adjusting shield strength. Terrible idea. Further, shields are not what they used to be relative to other defensive mechanics so shieldbreaker is even more overtuned now. It should be removed but it won't be.

Savos_Saren

It's been a while- but how does Knight Slayer show up on your damage report? Is it "Oblivion Damage" or does it say "Knight Slayer"?

(5 items) Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks against Players deal an additional 9% of their Max Health as Oblivion Damage.

rimmidimdim

Thogard wrote: »

I personally find it hilarious that all of you are talking about how overpowered shieldbreaker is when it had nothing to do with that recap.

That’s a torug’s pact + infused recap.

Edit: actually torigs + infused would hit harder. It’s either torugs OR infused. Hard to tell without knowing the quality of the enchant
edit2: i should've trusted my gut but i was getting thrown off by the faulty tooltips on obliv dmg enchants in CP.

It is definitely torugs + infused.

It has to be that. Not Shieldbreaker.

rimmidimdim

Savos_Saren wrote: »

It's been a while- but how does Knight Slayer show up on your damage report? Is it "Oblivion Damage" or does it say "Knight Slayer"?

(5 items) Your fully-charged Heavy Attacks against Players deal an additional 9% of their Max Health as Oblivion Damage.

I'm sure it says knight Slayer.

rimmidimdim

Question, does torugs and infuse make enchants 1.4 seconds with two infused(or two hander)? So what would it be with sword and board I guess is my main question. Cheers.