Weird Magicka NB build

MetalHead4x4

Subversus wrote: »

He was probably in like heavy alch/maiden and troll king. That setup hits like a truck and being in heavy + TK makes him pretty tanky against inexperienced players like the OP.

I'm not inexperienced I've been PvPing for 3 years. I'm not setup for dueling though and he was obviously more of a solo player. i can handle just about any class and hold my own, but this was something I hadn't come across before. It seemed to take very little damage and used one ability to spam me to death.

As far as believing that something ignores shields I can only describe what I see, and I have seen both Swallow Soul and Jabs drop my health like a stone while my shields still showed they were up. So i question why is it not dropping my shields but dropping my health. That to me is ignoring my shields.

Subversus

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

Subversus wrote: »

He was probably in like heavy alch/maiden and troll king. That setup hits like a truck and being in heavy + TK makes him pretty tanky against inexperienced players like the OP.

I'm not inexperienced I've been PvPing for 3 years. I'm not setup for dueling though and he was obviously more of a solo player. i can handle just about any class and hold my own, but this was something I hadn't come across before. It seemed to take very little damage and used one ability to spam me to death.

As far as believing that something ignores shields I can only describe what I see, and I have seen both Swallow Soul and Jabs drop my health like a stone while my shields still showed they were up. So i question why is it not dropping my shields but dropping my health. That to me is ignoring my shields.

I doubt you've been playing for 3 years and still believe strife or jabs ignore shields. One or the other mate. But anyway, I don't wanna bash on you. The guy was probably in heavy and was good at his class, that's all. Sorcs are known to have troubles against magblades in a duel scenario anyway, don't beat yourself over it. Learn from the experience and move on.

NyassaV

Can we just close this thread, it sounds so QQ. You cannot claim to be experienced and then say swallow soul ignores shields and expect to be taken seriously

MetalHead4x4

Hollery wrote: »

Can we just close this thread, it sounds so QQ. You cannot claim to be experienced and then say swallow soul ignores shields and expect to be taken seriously

I don't really give a *** if its taken seriously or not, I can post and tell people what I've seen. I don't need to lie about it, if i wanted to lie about I'd just say everything ignores shields not just those 2 abilities.
I've seen it. I've watched a guy jab me to death while my shields were up, I've watched my health drop like a stone while my shields showed no damage in a 1v1. You can chalk it up to my inexperience or whatever floats your boat but I've experienced it numerous times. I'm not a slouch Sorc, I can hold my own, and yes, I've been PvPing since April 2015 and I know my class.

It's laughable that I claim I have an issue with one guy, and a certain build. Suddenly I'm inexperienced, or a liar, or I don't know my class, or I'm QQ. Like no one else who PvP's had had issue with a certain build or class, or everyone is a PvP god.

NyassaV

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Can we just close this thread, it sounds so QQ. You cannot claim to be experienced and then say swallow soul ignores shields and expect to be taken seriously

I don't really give a *** if its taken seriously or not, I can post and tell people what I've seen. I don't need to lie about it, if i wanted to lie about I'd just say everything ignores shields not just those 2 abilities.
I've seen it. I've watched a guy jab me to death while my shields were up, I've watched my health drop like a stone while my shields showed no damage in a 1v1. You can chalk it up to my inexperience or whatever floats your boat but I've experienced it numerous times. I'm not a slouch Sorc, I can hold my own, and yes, I've been PvPing since April 2015 and I know my class.

It's laughable that I claim I have an issue with one guy, and a certain build. Suddenly I'm inexperienced, or a liar, or I don't know my class, or I'm QQ. Like no one else who PvP's had had issue with a certain build or class, or everyone is a PvP god.

Everyone has issues. The issues you describe sound like a latency issue or otherwise Swallow, nor jabs, goes through shields. That this point you aren't making any sense and just discrediting yourself

ToRelax

Sounds like a ui bug where your shield size is desync'ed tbh. Either way, you're not experienced or just trolling.

MetalHead4x4

Yeah well making a claim that you think you know my experience better than I do makes you sound like a bunch of ***. Could it be de-sync, could it be latency, sure. I can only report what I've experienced. That doesn't make me inexperienced or discrediting myself, that just means I saw it happen and wanted an answer. Its not up to you to tell me how long I've played nor judge what I've seen with my own two eyes. You just sound like some elitist *** trying to make someone out to be a bad player cause you have no real answer for it.

ToRelax

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

Yeah well making a claim that you think you know my experience better than I do makes you sound like a bunch of ***. Could it be de-sync, could it be latency, sure. I can only report what I've experienced. That doesn't make me inexperienced or discrediting myself, that just means I saw it happen and wanted an answer. Its not up to you to tell me how long I've played nor judge what I've seen with my own two eyes. You just sound like some elitist *** trying to make someone out to be a bad player cause you have no real answer for it.

Yeah, it just means you don't know basic game mechanics. In light of that, you being a bad player sounds like a perfectly valid explanation.

MetalHead4x4

STFU, next time I'll get it on video, but I have a feeling if I shoved it up your ass where your head is you still wouldn't see it or believe it.

Waffennacht

It's also possible he was using Oblivion Damage Glyphs, probably not Torug tho possible.

My experience with latency and shields is that they don't happen, not the DMG underneath.

All players weave, and if he was weaving with Oblivion damage then yeah you'll health bar will decrease with a shield up.

Also, there is a little known OLD weapon that deals a @#$& ton of Oblivion DMG per light attack, it's so old that it got around a lot of the updates. I wonder if I can find the thread about it

wheem_ESO wrote: »

This happened consistently vs that same player, across multiple different matches and against 2 of my own characters

Datthaw

Doesn't uppercut and snipe ignore shields also? And BoL is a dot.

IZZEFlameLash

Nothing really ignores shield except for oblivion damage. Please. Your shield might get eaten up by huge damage or your shield was small to begin with. Shield does not get ignored by mentioned skills. Even DoT damages don't go through shields.

Dyride

A NB build using Torug's Pact with Infused Oblivion enchant. Or maybe just a Shock enchant for minor vulnerability.

The templar could have been using Shieldbreaker to weave in between Jabs.

Everyone should take a look in the mirror and remember Hickam's Dictum (multiple diagnoses can converge on similar symptoms) and not only rely on Occam's Razor.

kaithuzar

Things that go through shields:
Bleed damage
Oblivion damage
That's it as far as I know.

Things that can really mess up shield users:
Shield breaker
~30+ points into shattering blows cp tree

I would just chalk it up to lag as a high probability.

Rianai

Bleeds don't ignore shields. Only oblivion damage does. Nothing else.

kaithuzar

Rianai wrote: »

Bleeds don't ignore shields. Only oblivion damage does. Nothing else.

I'm not looking at my pc right now to test; but are you sure?

techprince

kaithuzar wrote: »

Things that go through shields:
Bleed damage
Oblivion damage
That's it as far as I know.

Things that can really mess up shield users:
Shield breaker
~30+ points into shattering blows cp tree

I would just chalk it up to lag as a high probability.

Only oblivion damage goes through shields.

Datthaw

I think salt ignores shields someone should test it with op

Pijng

kaithuzar wrote: »

Rianai wrote: »

Bleeds don't ignore shields. Only oblivion damage does. Nothing else.

I'm not looking at my pc right now to test; but are you sure?

Bleeds ignore phys resistances and/or block (not sure), but not shields, yup.

GreenhaloX

MetalHead4x4 wrote: »

Hollery wrote: »

Sounds like you aren't the best sorc and should re-evaluate your build and stats before returning to the battlefield. And swallow doesn't ignore sheilds

I'm not a slouch Sorc but thanks. I don't usually have issues with NB's other than the glass cannon stealthers. I run one 10k shield, so its not hard to catch me off guard. I'm not sure how it doesn't at least partially ignore shields (CP passive maybe?) cause my health was dropping like a stone with my shield up.

It was an EP NB his name was Llav something or other. I can't recall the full name.

I'm a skirmisher, I go where the heaviest fighting is (no zerging) and do my thing. My kill/death ratio top right corner thats about my average. I run 5 piece Shacklebreaker, 5 Wizards Riposte, 38k magicka, 2400 regen, and around 2600 spell damage with 10k pen. I do pretty good for what I have, and I run lightning staff.

https://imgur.com/pZz4uaw

Well, I can tell you I run heavy on the MagBlade I use for PvP, and sure, it's probably tougher to kill than many others in light or medium, but, it's by far no way close to an unkillable builds like some I have ran into. My disadvantage is, since I run heavy, I don't have Annulment/Dampen Magic or any other good shield. I rely on getting load of damages in and take them out quick before they can use Resolving Vigor or other heals. I have been successful and unsuccessful. I just hate drawn out fights. Once I get them close to low health, then they pop Vigor or Healing Ward before I can land that execute, then, I'm out (cloak out) ha ha. Unless, they got that anti-invis on me, then yeah, the fight goes on until one is bested. I can also tell you Swallow Soul is not all that good of a healing skill nor is Refreshing Path. Plus, as a maj toon, Resolving Vigor is like half as effective as it's on a stam toon. YEAH, VIGOR NEEDS A BUFF for maj toons to as effective as it is for stam toons, you hear me, ZOS/Bethesda!!

I run solo in PvP because I don't like to be stuck in a group and like the flexibility to go where I want to go. Oh sure, being in big zerg is one of the major survivability factors, and that's what practically the majority of the PvP population does; get in a group of 10-20. Just because I'm solo, I don't run around looking for 1vX duel after duels or gank peeps. However, there are quite a few soloists from the enemy alliances I have ran into that are questionable as what you are commenting about. Also, I love these desktop warriors that troll with the stupid git gud or look at your build crap, just because you may have trouble in defeating another.

I'm not going to bash you, like others are doing, because I have ran into quite a few dudes out there with questionable builds. Running around solo, you will run into other one or twosies out there, and you may be forced into a fight. Yeah, I have bested quite a few, even against 2 others and was bested many times over. I'm not actually sure what damages I am actually putting out. I don't have the add-ons or whatever metric that would show you such. Oh yeah, I have ran into quite a few that also seems to have a super duper damage mitigating ability/build, and at the same time, able to hit like a mack truck. Damn, with heavy, all impen and an extra 1k on the champion for crit resist, I'm still seeing damages from 6-9k on my death cap; even 12k permafrost and 18k soul assault. Even blocking doesn't seems to mitigate some damages from a DK's Dizzying Swing or Executioner/Reverse Slice. I have gotten from 6-8k per hit just from those and while blocking. You can't survive that with just 20 something k hp. So yes, there are questionable dudes and builds out there, and really experience or the need to git gud doesn't have anything to do with it. Could be you may have ran into another with questionable or eyebrow raising build; there are many out there running around in ESO.