Should ZOS Add CP to Battlegrounds?

LokoMatic

I always loved the competitiveness of BG's with No CP's. Thinking this will ruin it completely for low CP players, and *** off the vet's who enjoy the more challenging playstyle.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

Absolutely NOT. This absolutely ruins the allure of battlegrounds and turns it right back in to the mindless cyrodill fights of cheesy builds and unkillable tanks. I am cancelling my sub, once again, if this goes live. BGs are the one small glimmer of hope I had for this game and you are completely blowing it. Disappointed to say the least...

SquareSausage

Will make BG's really crappy to play against the elite guys.

Velocious_Curse

No

Nope, straight garbage. CP is what made the game unbalanced. The Non-CP BGs is easily the most competitive and balanced the game will get. If you want a CP BG then make a separate one without it.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

SquareSausage wrote: »

Will make BG's really crappy to play against the elite guys.

Not only that you already see extremely tanky builds being such a handful to deal with in game types like CTF and domination. They're currently killable but it takes team coordination. If this goes live it will be unkillable builds everywhere and never ending stalemates for fights. Again, this will be so disappointing...

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Qyrk

CWC patch notes

Battlegrounds
Battleground queues are now divided into 10-49 and 50. This means you will only have level 50 players playing against other level 50 players.
The level 50 Battleground queue is now CP-enabled.


Your welcome!

Cously

Yes

I'll play CP or non-CP anyways, depends if I'm alone or with friends. My preference is with CP. Regardless of what any of us think, there should be a choice so everyone is happy.

Queue for CP BG
Queue for Non-CP BG

Select one and join its queue. Simple, fair and there isn't really any valid arguments against it.

Mady

No

Terrible decision

Taleof2Cities

No

If there was an option between CP and no CP when queuing for battlegrounds, that might work.

Even then, however, it could make queues longer in both modes.

Velocious_Curse

No

Qyrk wrote: »

CWC patch notes

Battlegrounds
Battleground queues are now divided into 10-49 and 50. This means you will only have level 50 players playing against other level 50 players.
The level 50 Battleground queue is now CP-enabled.


Your welcome!

Yeah we know... 10-49= non-cp. 50+=cp. In other words, people who actually wanna compete and not stare at 4 dudes who are unkillable can't play because they're not going to continue my make a new character and play lowbies.

Dottzgaming

No

Cously wrote: »

I'll play CP or non-CP anyways, depends if I'm alone or with friends. My preference is with CP. Regardless of what any of us think, there should be a choice so everyone is happy.

Queue for CP BG
Queue for Non-CP BG

Select one and join its queue. Simple, fair and there isn't really any valid arguments against it.

The patch notes show no indication of a choice. they say: Battleground queues are now divided into 10-49 and 50. This means you will only have level 50 players playing against other level 50 players. The level 50 Battleground queue is now CP-enabled.

There is no longer, at least according to the notes, a no-cp bg's option. Therefore there is no choice - you must play CP now instead of No CP, which sucks because it used to be you can reliably play bg's at CP 160+ (gear cap obviously), but now, you need to try to get as close to CP cap as possible or youll be at a disadvantage.

Waffennacht

Why do they refuse to have a preference selection??

CP or No CP choices
Game mode choices

And it does *** me off that now that they've added another game mode there will be even less death match!

Grr

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

Dottzgaming wrote: »

Cously wrote: »

I'll play CP or non-CP anyways, depends if I'm alone or with friends. My preference is with CP. Regardless of what any of us think, there should be a choice so everyone is happy.

Queue for CP BG
Queue for Non-CP BG

Select one and join its queue. Simple, fair and there isn't really any valid arguments against it.

The patch notes show no indication of a choice. they say: Battleground queues are now divided into 10-49 and 50. This means you will only have level 50 players playing against other level 50 players. The level 50 Battleground queue is now CP-enabled.

There is no longer, at least according to the notes, a no-cp bg's option. Therefore there is no choice - you must play CP now instead of No CP, which sucks because it used to be you can reliably play bg's at CP 160+ (gear cap obviously), but now, you need to try to get as close to CP cap as possible or youll be at a disadvantage.

Exactly..let it be an even playing field for all, great, that's what makes BGs fun..it is skill based. This takes that away and makes the gap even larger between CP in the 50 que. I've seen some great below max CP players in BGs and honestly feel bad they are going to have to deal with this. As I said in my post above, BGs were a safe haven from cyrodill and the mindless gameplay that CP has created.

bubbygink

No

Terrible decision in my opinion and I think those who actually play BGs frequently would agree. Most of the "Yes" votes here will probably be from those who rarely play in BGs or those who think that they struggle in BGs "just because its no CP" (when in reality they just aren't good outside their zergs wiping low CP players who are at a disadvantage in CP campaigns).

Adding CP drastically increases the survivability of groups by adding reduced block cost, increased healing, etc. through CP. BGs are fun because they are short, fast-paced matches. Now, I can see even death matches just being boring grind fests where a team of all magplars and mag wardens using guard and healing ults is absolutely impossible to kill.

Not to mention this is unfair to those who have lower CP. Especially with CP increases making the CP cap so high, it will be so difficult for newer players to catch up and feel like they can compete. I am well over cap myself but have plenty of friends with low CP who will feel left behind by these changes. No-CP creates a more even playing feel for these players.

DeadlyRecluse

Hard to pass final judgement until it's tried out, but of all the changes to make to battlegrounds, enabling CP seems like a poor one.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

bubbygink wrote: »

Terrible decision in my opinion and I think those who actually play BGs frequently would agree. Most of the "Yes" votes here will probably be from those who rarely play in BGs or those who think that they struggle in BGs "just because its no CP" (when in reality they just aren't good outside their zergs wiping low CP players who are at a disadvantage in CP campaigns).

Adding CP drastically increases the survivability of groups by adding reduced block cost, increased healing, etc. through CP. BGs are fun because they are short, fast-paced matches. Now, I can see even death matches just being boring grind fests where a team of all magplars and mag wardens using guard and healing ults is absolutely impossible to kill.

Not to mention this is unfair to those who have lower CP. Especially with CP increases making the CP cap so high, it will be so difficult for newer players to catch up and feel like they can compete. I am well over cap myself but have plenty of friends with low CP who will feel left behind by these changes. No-CP creates a more even playing feel for these players.

Very well said. I just see death match becoming the most drawn out and boring stalemate fights.

Solariken

No

No for the love of bg's I really hope this change does not go through. The Champion system is nothing but a pile problems and imbalances. Why would they ever think this is a good idea?

Slack

No

If we could have 2-CP setups at least, one for pve and 1 for pvp, then it would be somewhat acceptable.

I am setting my CP for pve only, depending on which role I fulfill with that character, and only pvp in the No-Cp campaign, as with CP enabled, there is a lot more room for imbalances.

DKs with Shadow Ward, all red points into tankiness and the blue CP into Damage.
Permablocking and leash spamming.

#/fun

Cinbri

No

rip old balanced bg

NyassaV

Yes

I played on non CP before Morrowind, afterwards I actually prefer CP. I Hate not being able to sprint much

raasdal

No

I almost cried when i read that.

After not playing with CP for more than a year now i think, i can't go back. I just can't. Why on earth cant they at least give us a friggin CHOICE? Like with the campaigns. It's should not be that hard. FFS.

Slack

No

Hollery wrote: »

I played on non CP before Morrowind, afterwards I actually prefer CP. I Hate not being able to sprint much

Was dusting off my Stam NB recently and experimented a bit with gear.
In all well-fitted it is actually quite fun to play.
For Magicka users of course thats a completely different chapter

ParaNostram

No

They should make a CP tier though mode though. Let people choose which they want.

Cendrillion21

No

Terrible idea.

Please give us an option: CP or non CP battlegrounds.

Thogard

No

Too many highly specialized builds are possible in CP that aren't possible in No CP. unkillable tanks exist in CP but not in No CP.

IMO this is a terrible change. I hope some people get in there and abuse it before the patch notes go live.

Drakkdjinn

No

As is; NoCP is the competitive format. 4v4v4 CP death matches e.g. would last for hours of unfun with all the training wheels available to CP builds. CP BGs would be a "hold block/spam heals/spam wards to win" gametype, no action.

Waffennacht

Pre mades are really just gonna get better

geonsocal

Yes

for the folks whom currently enjoy battlegrounds - adding cp definitely sucks...

for casual battleground participants - helps a lot with not having to switch up gear from cp pvp and the rest of the game...

plus, personally - I won't have to chain chug regen pots like crazy...

logarifmik

Yes

One can clearly see that some players want a CP Battleground and others are not. Well, just give all of them both opportunities and allow to choose. It will make everyone happy and peaceful. Simple, yes?

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

logarifmik wrote: »

One can clearly see that some players want a CP Battleground and others are not. Well, just give all of them both opportunities and allow to choose. It will make everyone happy and peaceful. Simple, yes?

Not so simple for the small BG population, this would only dilute the player pool even more and make que times even worse.

Betsararie

BGs is finished. (didn't take long)

It's already terrible now because we can't queue by deathmatch, but CP is the nail in the coffin for it. Now everyone is going to be an unkillable DK or Warden because that's the only way they can stay alive! How pointless.

Worst implemented game mode I have ever seen in any game.

At least in Cyro you have larger groups to take down the cancerous tank builds.