Get lowbies out of BGs

crjs1

Sigma957 wrote: »

They paid for Morrowind so have every right to be there, maybe later ZOS will add a lowbie battle grounds but for now you just have to put up with it.

This! They paid for the game and should not be excluded by elites.

SydneyGrey

Tonturri wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

They paid for Morrowind so have every right to be there, maybe later ZOS will add a lowbie battle grounds but for now you just have to put up with it.

This. You're not more important than they are just because you have a toon that's higher level.

Lowbies will have a bad experience in BGs because of how it currently works- they'll get rekt by people who are much more skilled and geared than they are (and probably mindboggled by how odd level scaling is along the way). Max level characters will have to suffer having lowbies who are dead weight on their team, opponents likely (hopefully?) won't have fun crushing people who die in one hit, then mopping up the rest of the opposing team that actually knows how to play with pure numbers.

It has absolutely nothing to do with 'a right to be there', it's about a flawed design/irritating oversight on ZOS' part that results in a bad gaming experience.

Yes, I understand what you're saying. Battlegrounds that were based on level would be the answer to that, but that doesn't exist right now.

Unfadingsilence

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

Very much so I was in BG this morning on Xbox na and it was me and another guy well over the CP cap in full gold gear maelstrom and master weapons and we keep taking on the same ppl for 10 matches in a row all of them where under lvl 50 and it was just not far

hamburgerler76

No what they need to do is have sperate ques like they said they where going to on the Web site it says it has a que for lvl 1-49 where lobes would go and a lvl 1-50 where end gamers would go but instead we all get clustered into one mess

Yshaar

They advertised separate / different brackets in several interviews: under 50 and CP.

Waiting for this feature now for 4 weeks.

Demycilian

Yshaar wrote: »

They advertised separate / different brackets in several interviews: under 50 and CP.

Waiting for this feature now for 4 weeks.

Its safe to say they would do it if there were enough people to support brackets.

Invincible

The replies in this thread are just sad.

What exactly is it that you think entitles lowbies to the fruits of higher level players labor?

TequilaFire

Invincible wrote: »

The replies in this thread are just sad.

What exactly is it that you think entitles lowbies to the fruits of higher level players labor?

Nevermind, you don't deserve a reply.

IcyDeadPeople

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

Absolutely disagree with that idea.

What we need instead is tons more people participating in Battlegrounds of all different skill levels (and different character levels), so the system can assign fair teams. If we had enough total people, they could more easily match premades vs other premades, lowbies vs lowbies etc.

And I want to see a lot more XP and AP from battlegrounds so I can level up new characters this way.

Tasear

sigsergv wrote: »

Very soon BG will be totally ignored by lowbies because of missing matchmaking. Why the hell people with 0 PvP experience are grouped against very skilled and prepared players? Proper matchmaking must be a top priority feature but in this game it's missing completely.

@Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert think about it.

Trashkan

Is this for serious????? I mean are you actually complaining about new players trying to play battlegrounds it's part of the expansion they all paid for. What kind of sick messed up person would take a game mode away from people who just paid hard earned $$$ for? Sometimes you get them on your team and the other times they are on the other team it balances itself out. It's not like winning the match gains you anything but pride and unless you are rolling a pre made team why do you care so much?

Libonotus

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

I've beaten plenty of 630's on my level 45 so....

mwo1480

queued solo, 2 man team flag capture , team mate lvl 23, he said he was new to eso, he did great, we won( just small difference) ,, so dont see your problem

Cpt_Teemo

It's even worse they allow lowbies to que up for vet dungeons at cp 10...

NordSwordnBoard

There needs to be an under level 50 choice for new players. It reduces the number of poisons and proc sets they will face so they can learn fundamentals without having to make their own dish of cheese & proccoli to survive.

I'd like to see the poisons gone from no CP; put them into the CP BGs if that's going to happen. Poisons were intended to mitigate CP advantages afaik. Without CP I don't understand why they are in BGs.

The problem is shrinking the the current single pool of players into smaller pools too much - I like the mixed pool, and separating pre-made groups from randoms is the extent to which they should separate players in order to keep enough people in the same place. I'm afraid that if the grab bag is separated into 3 options, the que will get worse. I'm afraid that if there are too many categories to choose from, it will result in a bunch of partially formed groups more often than now.

Night_Watch

I've got some great news for the OP!

My warden is what you would call a 'lowbi (ie) (y)' and you will not be seeing it (untill BG improves at least) in BG. Yeah .

It's not that I'm a new player - had account a long time and have characters of different levels. It's not that in the past I avoided PVP style gameplay for reasons I will not go into here. It's not that I do not want to try to 'get into' playing such content as BG - I would like to try to. The reason you will not see the character in BG is simply that I cannot get in to BG! We all know the queing system is broken for many (or most) players. I cannot even complete the quest 'For Glory' as I just cannot get in to a BG to do so.

There are many things in ESO that need attention and BG is, to many, probably the most important (not just because some bought Morrowind 'on the back' of BG). It is true (IMHO) that segregation, though usually a bad thing, could be great for BG - pit players against players of a similar level. As things stand (as I understand it), that kind of positive segregation is not in place. Unfortunately this means that threads such as this one are, almost, inevitable and it is almost inevitable that some will see the OP and supporters as elitist jerks (not me). When all comes to all though, the elitism is caused by the way BG has been poorly implemented. And, yes! The BG system is poorly implemented this very thread proves so along with other complaints such as not being able to get into a BG in the first place!

Calling for a 'ban' (which is essential what OP is doing) on players because of there level is just petty and unproductive. We should be calling for a number of things concerning BG not least for ZOS to fix queing first then fix the way groups are formed - such as on a player level basis. I am aware that both are intertwined BTW.

Play well all and enjoy what content you can. Please keep the forums civil though. Calling people names or calling for bans on players you see as different to you really does not help the player base which we are all part of.



Edit: Minor rewording to make sense!

Magdalina

While the OP could be worded better, it's absolutely mind boggling why there aren't <lvl 50 BGs. An experienced players on a battle leveled alt can absolutely rek havoc so imo it should be optional (like <lvl 50 Cyrodiil campaign) but I can't see a single scenario in which a fresh new player that doesn't even have weapon swap yet nor know what traits are would enjoy being pitted against cp 900+ who have been living in PvP lands for years and have all the bis gear and stuff down.

It's frustrating for everyone involved, literally. New players can and should try BGs - against other new players.

kargen27

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

Or maybe keep end game players out of battle grounds so low level players can enjoy them. Same statement just different perspective.

I've found low level characters are not so much the problem as more often than not solo queued players tend to not work together in battlegrounds. Doesn't matter how high level or low level you are when four individuals run into a team.

leepalmer95

If they aren't seperated all the new players will never step foot in pvp again.

They join pvp from a quest they find then proceed to get destroyed repeatedly...

They're likely not going to bother with pvp even when they get high level, it's terrible design by zos.

Its as much for their benefit than it is for higher levels. Morrowind should of had a 1-50 option, considering its was mean't to bring in new players it's not doing a good job without that for pvp.

Danksta

It's not like limiting the queue to champion ranked characters is going to make it so you don't have to play with bad players. But, yea... there should be a separate queue for low level BGs.

kargen27

leepalmer95 wrote: »

If they aren't seperated all the new players will never step foot in pvp again.

They join pvp from a quest they find then proceed to get destroyed repeatedly...

They're likely not going to bother with pvp even when they get high level, it's terrible design by zos.

Its as much for their benefit than it is for higher levels. Morrowind should of had a 1-50 option, considering its was mean't to bring in new players it's not doing a good job without that for pvp.

And what about those of us that have multiple characters and are bringing up another? Why keep us out of battlegrounds if the worry is it might frustrate new players?

I could support give low level characters their own battlegrounds but not "Get lowbies out of BGs". Even thenif a low level character wanted to join the area with the big boys that should be allowed.

Blackleopardex

DeadlyRecluse wrote: »

Blackleopardex wrote: »

The main thingy here should not be to get them out. It should be like many said already to separate BG for those over under level 50 those over level 50 and those that wanna use their CP in battle grounds. It should also be a option to choose what game-mode you wanna play. So for me the group-tool should look something like this:

Under Level 50
>Garb Bag

Over Level 50
>Grab Bag
>Capture the Flag
>Death-match
>Relics

Champion Points
>Grab Bag
>Capture the Flag
>Death-match
>Relics

I think this would improve the experience in BG for everyone.

This works only if/when they actually make the queues work and the pop is high enough that you aren't running into the same people frequently.

At the moment, splitting the population into additional queues is just going to exacerbate all of the queue issues.


TBH, as soon as people realize that Battlegrounds are more casual than they are competitive (in design) the fewer frustrations they'll have.

Yeah I can see your point, for sure but I think if the q system worked like you say, you would have a lot more players in BG. I think many are just not bothering to q for this reason and many that are in the q is stuck in a loop for 10-20-30 min, 1 hour?

Slurg

Why can't they just let the CP 630 PVP elite opt in to a veteran mode for battlegrounds like they do for dungeon queues? I'd rather derp around with the lowbies in my PVE gear, personally, that sounds like more fun than getting one-shot by the lifestyle players.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

wth all i will say is elitist

GreenhaloX

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

Like non-CP campaign.. yeah, I can see that. It could be more viable.

IcyDeadPeople

leepalmer95 wrote: »

If they aren't seperated all the new players will never step foot in pvp again.

This applies to new players at CP 160 and above as well. Character level is a big factor of course, but this is PVP, rather than some dungeon. It's more about the player's skill level, build and time spent practicing in PVP.

If they add CP battlegrounds mode, I suspect some of the twinked out low level players will be wrecking CP 630 players due to high stats from the scaling system. There are still some people in this game who appear to get a kick out of spending all day beating up higher level players on their lowbie in duels.

I seem to recall it was mentioned during a recent ESO Live interview that the BG queue system first tries to find people at a similar level, and then if there are not enough people it branches out to include more in the search. It has not been explained in detail how this works, whether it is looking at some way to determine BG skill level, KDR, alliance rank, character level, number of matches won, etc.

If there are not enough people for 12 lowbies for example, it appears to allocate the teams so that there are some high level and some low level players on each team. When there are less people queuing for battlegrounds at all different skill levels, the teams end up being more uneven, as the priority seems to be to generate some kind of match.

I'd certainly agree the developers need to consider more carefully the new player's experience in battlegrounds, whether they are low character level or simply inexperienced at PVP. We need tons of players participating in BG at all different skill levels in order for the system to be able to assign fair teams. Getting promptly facerolled by some elite premade team using voice chat is not a great introduction for beginner players.

Callidous

Speaking as a new player, I do believe that offering the possibility to join pvp in a way that's somehow capped would provide an incentive to try it at all and in the long term produce more people participating in pvp. The fact that you can face people from any skill or character level is without a doubt intimidating, especially if you have only limited access to your skill lines and are still learning the mechanics, not to mention gear. When the difference is too large you won't learn anything either.

victorhrpereira

They paid for it, it's not their fault ZOS refused to make matchmaking for BG's.

Insomnia rex

Jamini wrote: »

This thread should be titled: "How to completely kill battlegrounds, in one easy step!"

This is a terrible idea.

How to completely kill battlegrounds. Step 1 will surprise you.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

boundsy88 wrote: »

title speaks for itself. they have no place in battlegrounds with end game players. it is ruining pretty much every players experience that solo q's. get them out or make an under level 50 BG option

Or...OR, zenimax could design the battlegrounds in a modern and intelligent way, so that level and gear did not matter, and a player's chances were based on their skill, like GW2's spvp.