Question for updated MagSorc Ulti in PvP

grim_tactics

Serious question.

I know this is bound to change when Morrowind launches- but in the current meta what do you consider your best ulti?

I know in zergs using Destro seems great especially getting into the middle of a group that just stands in it and melts - but let's talk solo and small 1vX.

I find that when I drop Destro Ult most players can shield through it or just run away from me when I'm snared so it seems useless there. (Using Eye of the Storm - the other morph is even easier to get out of)

Meteor can be blocked so seems mostly useful in Zerg play.

That leaves me with Soul Assualt, Negate, Storm Atro, and even considering Dawnbreaker (if it's viable for MagSorc - haven't used it.)

I obviously use Overload on 1 bar.

I'm just trying to decide which remaining Ultimate has the most utility.

Part of me is liking Negate Ult only because I have a feeling pet builds could be an issue in battlegrounds but I just don't know.

For those of you that enjoy small group PvP which one do you find to have better utility?

Open to all suggestions and situational examples.

Thank you in advance.

Edit: it could be I'm focusing too much on things I can't control as far as counterplay and realize Destro Ult is prob still best.

dpencil1

Dawnbreaker is viable on a mSorc. It's easy to include into a burst combo, instant, and CCs, which is better than the telegraph of Shooting Star.

Atro is good if you want to have a defensive ulti. It can help take the preassure off of you to regroup.

Negate is good when there's a specific location your want to lock down for a short period of time. You're only going to get kills with it if you time it with CC and burst.

Overload is actually pretty good at ganking people. 3 shots and most people are dead, especially in no-CP.

Don't forget the Resto staff ulti that heals a ton and gives you Minor Force. Just depends if you're running a Resto staff and want a defensive ulti.

Derra

Soulassault is probably the ulti with the highest kill potential in smallscale situations if you know how to set it up properly.

Dawnbreaker is a close second - maybe a little better for 1vX situations against bad players as it buys breathing room but not as lethal.

ToRelax

I prefer Meteor for solo play. Ranged, easy to set up and doesn't force me to let down my defenses like Soul Assault.
Soul Assault makes it easier to kill stamina players, though.

For group play against larger numbers I switch to Negate or EotS depending on what we need most.

Biro123

Its a tricky one..

I ALWAYS use overload.. With pets, there just isn't space for power surge on my bar without it.. Also comes in handy for Rapids.. I never really use it in combat though.

For the other, one setup I have uses EOTS - purely to get the 8% dmg buff on my flame staff. I don't use it too often - when I do, its often when very outnumbered - which never turns out well anyway - or against the odd permablocker to try to deal *some* damage to him.. Aside from that, on a tough 1v1, waiting till your opponent is immune to CC, having a frag procced, dropping the ult then a point-blank frag can work quite well.

Dawnbreaker I sometimes use on my DW setup - for smallscale (IC and BG's).. Comet is way too telegraphed. But if its zergy, I go comet - since theres always someone who doesn't see it coming (and I went for the morph that restores ulti the more targets you hit).

As a soloer, I don't find negate useful. I've never really liked Atronach.. Havn't tried soul assault in a while, but been thinking of trying it again.. Its probably just me, but I tend to only use ulti's when I'm losing to try to turn it around. The channel on soul assault, if already under pressure just seems to get me killed.

So yeah, nothing's really great there for solo play, although eots/negate are obviously fantastic for co-ordinated group play..

Lord-Otto

Dawnbreaker is still great for small fights. You can use it as a finisher.
EotS is for coordinated group fights. Icey Rage is also interesting if you don't wanna get close. Negate can also shine, but beware of stamina users.

I would decide between these ones, as the other ult is mandatory.

Meteor is the biggest burst magicka users have. Some fights can only be won by timing it with Streak. You got to luck out on avoiding shields, CC immunity and being close enough to reach your opponent with Streak, so it's difficult. But when it works, it's a pretty cheap kill.

For duels, Atro instead of Meteor. All weaknesses of the Atro are negated in a duel, and makes it more valuable for the cost.

Soul Assault is typically too risky in open world for me.

Biro123

Forgot to add - for Dawnbreaker I tend to wait till there's a procced frag ready and pop it just after knocking him down with dawnbreaker. Helps a lot in terms of getting a frag to land.

grim_tactics

Interesting thoughts here and very much appreciated.

I've also noticed that in small scale Ults are generally only practical at the exact right time as stated above. (Casting meteor right when you use Destructive Reach is a lot of fun for sure.)

I'll mess around with these and see how they feel.

Funny enough - when I Zerg I mostly run as support because running with randoms, thy don't really work well together so I don't trust them half the time to heal or res because they're too busy doing their own thing instead of working together. So therefore I rarely find the perfect time to use EotS Ult cause no one wants to time their snares and knockdowns.

I'm mostly curious from a Battlegrounds perspective and curious about how OP Pet Sorcs COULD be, but I could be completely wrong about that.