1hit skill

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO

*** my life this game its getting on my nerves with hidden stats that doesnt lets every player make their own builds, getting 1 hit for 30k damage with Onslaught two handed ultimate over and over by some strange dude. What the *** happened to "all players must play how they want", copying the best builds and see how 1hit is very common or when some nb kills 10 players this is not the siege game i wanna play, ill try the arena pvp when it comes out then im *** outta of this ***

[Edit to remove profanity and bashing]

Turelus

"Play the way you want" doesn't mean "play against the mechanics and win".

If you want to be competitive you still have to follow the meta to some level, there are balance issues but player skill and knowledge can make up for a lot of those issues.

strikeback1247

What a nice and constructive post OP! Keep it up, proud of you!

jarrandub17_ESO

or...put on radiant magelight...

leepalmer95

Slot radiant magelight.

Stack into physical reduced cp.

Stack crit resist, e.g. 7x impen + some in resistant.

Get 26k+ life. You'll survive.

Lord-Otto

The real countermeasure, that everyone is secretly aware of, is this:
Travel in a zerg.

Ganking is only done on lone players. No Radiant Magelight or armor or health pool will help you againsz the gank squad. They're typically multiple hard-hitting stealthers.

Of course, the more you zerg, the more they gank. It's a vicious cycle. ZOS even see that and are removing sneak attack bonus, but it will not change anything. The problem is the stupid permanent invisibility you can easily achieve. In Oblivion, perma-invisibility was considered cheating, imagine that. But removing it won't happen.

QuebraRegra

just get rid of the stun on the stealth attack from NB, keep the initial crit damg. If you choose not to react after the initial attack that's on you. Currently though, the stun allows for too much rapid ani-canceling attack stacking which creates a ONE SIDED gank, with no potential counterplay.

I'm a NB BTW.

Koolio

QuebraRegra wrote: »

just get rid of the stun on the stealth attack from NB, keep the initial crit damg. If you choose not to react after the initial attack that's on you. Currently though, the stun allows for too much rapid ani-canceling attack stacking which creates a ONE SIDED gank, with no potential counterplay.

I'm a NB BTW.

I wish I had the stun from stealth.

Sincerely a MNB ganker.

BoxFoxx

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Slot radiant magelight.

Stack into physical reduced cp.

Stack crit resist, e.g. 7x impen + some in resistant.

Get 26k+ life. You'll survive.

Doesn't work against Onslaught from a sneak attack.

QuebraRegra wrote: »

just get rid of the stun on the stealth attack from NB, keep the initial crit damg. If you choose not to react after the initial attack that's on you. Currently though, the stun allows for too much rapid ani-canceling attack stacking which creates a ONE SIDED gank, with no potential counterplay.

I'm a NB BTW.

That's solved with Radiant Magelight or pots.


Bottom line it's a part of the game

BoxFoxx

The issue is in the sneak attack bonus... but then what's the point of playing a squishy stealth build?

BoxFoxx

My issue is with dodge chance. It's a complete BS ability with no existing counter/negation that requires no skill but just luck. Major Evasion should be turned into something else like a roll dodge enhancement, such as disorienting players near the roll dodge... dunno anything but something that completely avoids any attack regardless of its strength. Some players seem like their dodge chance is at a 100 percent (an exaggeration, but definitely seems that way) based on combat text.

Wreuntzylla

BoxFoxx wrote: »

The issue is in the sneak attack bonus... but then what's the point of playing a squishy stealth build?

I think the point is that they should remove the incentive from playing a squishy stealth build. I'm not sure I disagree. Despite the fact that I am having a love affair with the AP I get using a snipe build. Oh, and the whispers, the sweet, sweet whispers!!!!

In any case, one of the changes they are making is to buff befoul quite a bit. Although necessary nowadays to kill these bunker builds, it's going to increase the number of viable targets for solo kills. So, 2-3sec kills instead of 1sec kills. Enough time for average players to react, but inevitably the wrong reaction.

HiImRex

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO wrote: »

*** my life this game its getting on my nerves with hidden stats that doesnt lets every player make their own builds, getting 1 hit for 30k damage with Onslaught two handed ultimate over and over by some strange dude. What the *** happened to "all players must play how they want", copying the best builds and see how 1hit is very common or when some nb kills 10 players this is not the siege game i wanna play, ill try the arena pvp when it comes out then im *** outta of this ***

str8 outplayed

jk play another game if you're looking for pvp with fair and competition

runningtings

Don't stand about on your own in a field or you will be a target.

toxikh.earth89neb18_ESO

i was omw to brindle, there were corpses all ahead, was on my horse after i res a few players, 22k resistance and 25khp stamina sorc, then suddenly i was dead, i saw 1 hit 30k dmg with onlsaught.

I was hoping to get a ban in here also in the game, thats probably not gonna happend tho , coz im realy upset witht he game mechanics these days, its the only game i have, probably gonna buy some shooter after its release...

Verbz

i quite like the onslaught build as an anti-tank build (i dont play it, tried it and found it boring) but it really is ridiculous, imo that skill should of been more powered the higher the phys resist.

dotme

Man... I get ganked daily, often with no time to react. I don't make a thread about it though, I just accept it as part of the game. I rez up, get back out there, and try to get some kills of my own.

I tried onslaught once - It's a lot like incap: If your target happens to move a bit as you fire it, you miss completely - and you kiss your ultimate goodbye. Onslaught is generally harder to hit a player with than the destro-staff ultimate (which can deliver a comparable amount of damage in an AOE)

Point is, if you had been hit with a root, sap essence and destro-ult, you likely would have died to that as well.

QuebraRegra

dotme wrote: »

Point is, if you had been hit with a root, sap essence and destro-ult, you likely would have died to that as well.

No.... There's no stun on the that first hit, so I'd react accordingly and either escape, or mash the attacker. No can do when yer locked in a stun and given no chance to respond while they animation cancel 7 attacks i an instant on you.

but hey, F@#^ counterplay right?

Alphaa

i have 23945 health and got hit for 23560 damage by one of these builds, He didnt even follow up after that, We both must have thought i was dead xD

Narvuntien

Man I wish it worked for me more often. but I am not yet dealing 30K (only about 27K)
You are the reason I can't 1 hit people come morrowind . That damage from stealth nerf makes me sad.

Health (have at least 25K) and Inpenatrable also helps a lot against since it is a crit we are using to get that damage.

I should note that trying to stun or snare me wont work since I am running unstoppable pots to trigger my clever alchemist.

I have actually been enjoying it, mostly for the times... when you don't pull it off perfectly from stealth.

I had an epic battle today where I was taking a resource and this guy actually ran straight at me and I had to quickly exacute the right combinations of buffs before he killed me. annnd bamn got him just before my hp bar ran out. *wipes sweat*

I am running a slightly hybrid build so I do less Onslaught damage but I can also Snipe for 20K. (but I have less escapes than the typical build)

HiImRex wrote: »

jk play another game if you're looking for pvp with fair and competition

It is a werid thing to say but... kind of yeah... it is war... anything goes.
Except stupid cheating addons grrr, I guess we all have a different line of where fair play is .

In my experience Cryodil is as much as where you fight than how well you actually fight.

Ankael07

This is why we shouldnt have CP on battlegrounds. Can you imagine the same build empowered even more with CP?

Waffennacht

Ankael07 wrote: »

This is why we shouldnt have CP on battlegrounds. Can you imagine the same build empowered even more with CP?

We won't, they're no CP.

Why I've been living in Azura's Star

Brutusmax1mus

A Guildie can hit 30k onslaughts on bad builds, he hits me for 21k.

Guess you've got a ba........

Get more health, crit resistance.

FearlessOne_2014

Ankael07 wrote: »

This is why we shouldnt have CP on battlegrounds. Can you imagine the same build empowered even more with CP?

So what just swap this build out for triple stacked proc sets and add even more unbalanced playing field right? You do know proc sets don't have to deal with battle spirit and get more powerful the less CPs are involved right? So in the end. You trade one evil for another evil.

At least Onslaught requires super risky play. Proc sets in non CP require little investment and risk. Since your target can not sustain past the few secs in Heavy Armor and Light Armors have almost no resistances. Viper, Veli, and Clever who do more on your health bar in Non CP compared to CP.

But hey if that's what yall want. I'll just will be playing more on my stamblades. Free damage from procs, everyones sustain's nerfed. Sounds like AP pinata time for me.

Waffennacht

You leave Clever out of this

GreenSoup2HoT

Waffennacht wrote: »

You leave Clever out of this

yes

QuebraRegra

Waffennacht wrote: »

Ankael07 wrote: »

This is why we shouldnt have CP on battlegrounds. Can you imagine the same build empowered even more with CP?

We won't, they're no CP.

Why I've been living in Azura's Star

very good. In the immortal worlds of Otto Von Clauswitz: "train hard, fight easy"