Honorable PvP Builds

OldGamerESO

There is a lot of whine on the forums about cheese builds, OP builds, gank builds.

Like this:

• mNB bombers are cheese
• duel shield stacking mSorc are OP,
• gank stam blade with 2H is unfair and untalented
• Heavy armor wearers are cowardly meta sheep
• Long list of OP skills that are unfair: BoL, Hardened Ward, Jesus Beam, Incap, Sap, Prox Det, Destro alt, etc
• Unkillable tank builds are annoying griefers
• Proc based builds are for no-talent noobs who need a crutch
• Stacking sustain is unfair, you need to manage resources
• Infinite dodge rollers are lame abusers of mechanics to be invulnerable

So what is the straight up "legit" builds that don't use heavy armor, procs sets, shields, destro alt, proxy det, and infinite resources?

Are these the attributes of honorable PvP builds?

• DPS armor only (light/medium)
• No stealth attacks
• No damage that isn't from skills (i.e no procs)
• Preferably little to no CP usage to give you easy sustain
• No use of OP skills that are difficult to counter or which kill too fast
• No Many-to-1 gang ups
• Fights should be preferably like duels as much as possible, 1-1, face to face.

I am not sure it is possible to be "honorable" and win, but maybe you guys can explain how to do it.

Waffennacht

It's impossible. Seriously tried to do what you said.

Apparently, using the worst monster set ever, Maw of the Infernal is OP...

Grothdarr on my stam sorc is, "cheese"

Oh Infernal Guardian, Eternal Hunt, Necropotence, BSW, are OP sets too

Um familiar is OP, so is Curse... so is streak and dark conversion. Plague Doctor is OP.

WW is OP apparently. And so is Atronach. Soul Assault is cheese.

Yes. There is a hate whisper or two from each of what I listed in my messages.

Sigtric

You'll find the only 'honorable' builds are the ones that didn't kill the person who would otherwise be complaining about cheese builds.

Draxys

Anything that's in the game and available to use is "legit". A lot of insult is directed towards players using them, when that energy really should be used to implore zenimax to wise up and balance some stuff.

Hutch679

Draxys wrote: »

Anything that's in the game and available to use is "legit". A lot of insult is directed towards players using them, when that energy really should be used to implore zenimax to wise up and balance some stuff.

This. If it's in the game, it's meant to be used. All is fair in love and war. You don't like the sets in the game that are available? Then direct your anger towards the people who put them there, not towards the people that use them.

FlyLionel

Not using an unkillable build(plague and trollking with green pact on templar, those types)? Fighting and after the battle just bow and move on. What I do, no bowing if you used poisons to win of course just get your ap and gettouttahere.

Neoauspex

If you're asking this question, you likely act honorably. That's probably enough. I don't crouch on people, I agree with above at bowing/saluting after a great fight, and I don't kill the same person over and over unless they engage me.

Minno

I prefer to stay out of stealth in cyro.

But that's because I'm too lazy to go around chasing targets. I'd rather they attack me first lol.

Xeniph

There is no honor in war, only coardinated single combat.

If you choose to play the dueling side of the game, there are usually pretty clear "honorable" rules.

As for AvA and open field combat, people that die will call foul and unfair the majority of the time. Simply because they died.
My advise is to gear and spec how you like, grab a towel and kill everyone that is targetable. Then take that towel and bathe in their tears.

It's your game after all. Do what is fun for you, let the others worry about themselves.

Ahzek

The most honorable build is using a broom and that is it.

Waffennacht

Xeniph wrote: »

There is no honor in war, only coardinated single combat.

If you choose to play the dueling side of the game, there are usually pretty clear "honorable" rules.

As for AvA and open field combat, people that die will call foul and unfair the majority of the time. Simply because they died.
My advise is to gear and spec how you like, grab a towel and kill everyone that is targetable. Then take that towel and bathe in their tears.

It's your game after all. Do what is fun for you, let the others worry about themselves.

Yes.

In open world I'll never complain. I expect pre charged ults, poisons, out numbered etc.

It's in duels when someone starts off with EoTs or a dbos I get erked. Poisons are annoying but on console it's not like we can know for sure if we got resource poisoned or not.

And actually even the Maw Op whispers were from duels

Oh BTW!

YOU POOR SORC - Do Not Use Maw (you know who you are Mr. Sorc khajiit)

I know you saw me using it, I know you saw me win... it was despite Maw, not because of it bud.

Been seeing more of him pop up since I made the joke bow build, but you'll do better with like anytbing else.

(He does look cool tho...)

UppGRAYxDD

I feel hurt through exclusion...
Gankplar OP

Beardimus

Spot on @Waffennacht according to most everything that kills them is OP.

And once a vein of comments opens up on the forum everyone jumps on the band wagon for that moment.

At the end of the day Paper will always hate Scissors and Scissors will hate on Stone. And MMO folk like to verbalise so..

NordSwordnBoard

"All is fair in love and war"

Asardes

5 Viper 5 Widowmaker 2 Selene

IlCanis_LupuslI

OldGamerESO wrote: »

There is a lot of whine on the forums about cheese builds, OP builds, gank builds.

Like this:

• mNB bombers are cheese
• duel shield stacking mSorc are OP,
• gank stam blade with 2H is unfair and untalented
• Heavy armor wearers are cowardly meta sheep
• Long list of OP skills that are unfair: BoL, Hardened Ward, Jesus Beam, Incap, Sap, Prox Det, Destro alt, etc
• Unkillable tank builds are annoying griefers
• Proc based builds are for no-talent noobs who need a crutch
• Stacking sustain is unfair, you need to manage resources
• Infinite dodge rollers are lame abusers of mechanics to be invulnerable

So what is the straight up "legit" builds that don't use heavy armor, procs sets, shields, destro alt, proxy det, and infinite resources?

Are these the attributes of honorable PvP builds?

• DPS armor only (light/medium)
• No stealth attacks
• No damage that isn't from skills (i.e no procs)
• Preferably little to no CP usage to give you easy sustain
• No use of OP skills that are difficult to counter or which kill too fast
• No Many-to-1 gang ups
• Fights should be preferably like duels as much as possible, 1-1, face to face.

I am not sure it is possible to be "honorable" and win, but maybe you guys can explain how to do it.

You forgot Snipestacking XD
Hit a poor lowie with a 24.5k focused aim in PvP (Felt soooo bad but it was sooo hilerious)

Dao_Jones

"Honor" is for dueling.

PvP is war. Kill by any means necessary (so long as it doesn't violate the ToS or EULA).

br0steen

The moment you somehow come up with a build that doesn't use anything "unfair" and kill someone, that build is now unfair for _______ reason. Players will always rationalize why they were defeated, because its never ever "they are better than me". It is always "wrecking blow/shields/heavy armor/bat swarm/snipe/stealth/redguards/dual world/ ice staff/selenes/dark deal/proxy set/zerging/doors on resource towers/Templars/heavy attack is/are OP and game breaking fix this cancer zos or the game implodes"



Heard a certain streamer who won't be named complain about "zos killing me all the time" the other day.



Gotta say, after complaining about so many different things does anyone ever think, "maybe it's just me?"

umagon

While there are legitimate issues around some item sets, resource pool size and regeneration times. Usually the people who complain the most about people’s builds are the ones who get upset when they are defeated by those builds.

I ran into a good example of this the other day from a player who could not kill my tank. Someone who was at the glade mine tower sent me a tell stating “u have no dmg pls leave” I replied “I can say the same to you”. Their reply was “ur a tank so no u cant im as tanky as u with 6x dmg rofl”. A few seconds later they got killed by one other player and a four npc guards. They are “as tanky with 6x damage” yet get killed by one player and a few npcs.

When I looked up this player’s name it turned out to be some kid twitch streamer. Which was funny because they were complaining about me using reactive stating it was “cancer”. When anyone with any actual logic wouldn’t spam crowd control on someone using reactive or focus a tank.

Waffennacht

umagon wrote: »

While there are legitimate issues around some item sets, resource pool size and regeneration times. Usually the people who complain the most about people’s builds are the ones who get upset when they are defeated by those builds.

I ran into a good example of this the other day from a player who could not kill my tank. Someone who was at the glade mine tower sent me a tell stating “u have no dmg pls leave” I replied “I can say the same to you”. Their reply was “ur a tank so no u cant im as tanky as u with 6x dmg rofl”. A few seconds later they got killed by one other player and a four npc guards. They are “as tanky with 6x damage” yet get killed by one player and a few npcs.

When I looked up this player’s name it turned out to be some kid twitch streamer. Which was funny because they were complaining about me using reactive stating it was “cancer”. When anyone with any actual logic wouldn’t spam crowd control on someone using reactive or focus a tank.

And aren't they always running something they found online?

If I got a message from someone running something unique, sure I get it, but when you're runnin, Viper, Selene and BR you really don't get to say anything.

DHale

I say the Cheesier the better. Yum. Good players don't need to complain they adapt. Not one nerf done by the Devs have helped this game. Make a cp system then nerf it. Make it so you collect Xp for cp then you can't use it. Too much damage here is battle spirit. Ooppps too little damage destro ult. You suck... here is validreth and viper... stam too op lets nerf that magic too strong let's make dawnbreaker physical damage, the list goes on. Shields.... incap.... power of the light, etc.... etc.... etc.....

Hatoreehanzo

Everyone is going to complain about something. You could literally beat someone stark naked with fists and they might complain.

Someone lashing out at another is them trying to justify their loss. Are there slightly OP setups that give edges? Sure, but they can lose too. No meta build or cancer gear will save someone without skill. The fact is, you lost. Just understand that and take it for what it is, a game.

FleetwoodSmack

Draxys wrote: »

Anything that's in the game and available to use is "legit". A lot of insult is directed towards players using them, when that energy really should be used to implore zenimax to wise up and balance some stuff.

Pretty much this. If someone complains I use something, then they're not worth the time or effort to properly educate.

Lore_lai

Waffennacht wrote: »

Poisons are annoying but on console it's not like we can know for sure if we got resource poisoned or not.

You actually can - there is a visual indicator on your character when the poison procs and it has similar particle effect as the particle effect on the weapon with said poison applied.
Sure, if there are a bazillion particle effects going off everywhere it might be hard to see but in a small engagement there is no way you won't see the poison proc.

DeadlyRecluse

1. Don't exploit.
2. Don't tbag.

That's my honorable PvP build.

umagon

Waffennacht wrote: »

umagon wrote: »

While there are legitimate issues around some item sets, resource pool size and regeneration times. Usually the people who complain the most about people’s builds are the ones who get upset when they are defeated by those builds.

I ran into a good example of this the other day from a player who could not kill my tank. Someone who was at the glade mine tower sent me a tell stating “u have no dmg pls leave” I replied “I can say the same to you”. Their reply was “ur a tank so no u cant im as tanky as u with 6x dmg rofl”. A few seconds later they got killed by one other player and a four npc guards. They are “as tanky with 6x damage” yet get killed by one player and a few npcs.

When I looked up this player’s name it turned out to be some kid twitch streamer. Which was funny because they were complaining about me using reactive stating it was “cancer”. When anyone with any actual logic wouldn’t spam crowd control on someone using reactive or focus a tank.

And aren't they always running something they found online?

If I got a message from someone running something unique, sure I get it, but when you're runnin, Viper, Selene and BR you really don't get to say anything.

You bet, that person I was talking about was using fury+bone pirate tatters+camoran and what look to be maelstrom weapons. With the classic nb fear+incap and shadow image setup. It was a predictable build, just sit by the shadow image and wait for them to come back.

SneaK

There's no rewards for being a good guy. Takes awhile, but once you embrace the darkness and drop a Meteor on a lvl 10 quester, you'll change forever.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

There are plenty of viable builds but honestly if youre trying to be competative youre just hindering yourself not using the best possible builds everyone else is using. I made a couple and they did decent but I was still giving myself a huge handicap. Now I'm a heavy armor wearing noob I guess..

Metemsycosis

If I think something is op and/or detrimental to the game I'll avoid it if I can do so without getting frustrated.

Honorable/respectable builds imo simply demonstrate knowledge of their objectives and how best to fulfill them.

It's usually the players rather than their builds that are honorable or not.

dpencil

I duel with 2 pets and mines. Some people refuse to fight that setup. It's what I use in Cyrodiil for better or worse. Whatever. I don't refuse a fight no matter what kind of build someone has, even supertanks. If I'm facing someone who just gets rekt in the first 5 seconds but wants to keep sparring I'll slow down and even coach them a bit. I actually have the most fun against people who can destroy me in a few seconds. It's a challenge! Learning what their strategy is, anticipating, and turning the tables on someone who keeps smoking you is a great feeling.

KramUzibra

OldGamerESO wrote: »

There is a lot of whine on the forums about cheese builds, OP builds, gank builds.

Like this:

• mNB bombers are cheese
• duel shield stacking mSorc are OP,
• gank stam blade with 2H is unfair and untalented
• Heavy armor wearers are cowardly meta sheep
• Long list of OP skills that are unfair: BoL, Hardened Ward, Jesus Beam, Incap, Sap, Prox Det, Destro alt, etc
• Unkillable tank builds are annoying griefers
• Proc based builds are for no-talent noobs who need a crutch
• Stacking sustain is unfair, you need to manage resources
• Infinite dodge rollers are lame abusers of mechanics to be invulnerable

So what is the straight up "legit" builds that don't use heavy armor, procs sets, shields, destro alt, proxy det, and infinite resources?

Are these the attributes of honorable PvP builds?

• DPS armor only (light/medium)
• No stealth attacks
• No damage that isn't from skills (i.e no procs)
• Preferably little to no CP usage to give you easy sustain
• No use of OP skills that are difficult to counter or which kill too fast
• No Many-to-1 gang ups
• Fights should be preferably like duels as much as possible, 1-1, face to face.

I am not sure it is possible to be "honorable" and win, but maybe you guys can explain how to do it.

Hit the nail right on the head man!! Nice!