Do people actually believe sorcerer is op?

Micah_Bayer

It is a great class don't get me wrong, but to put it as a god class is pushing it in my honest opinion, so tell me yours.

thankyourat

Stam sorc has been op since dark brotherhood buffs.

Micah_Bayer

Excuse me #Magsorcs Stam sorcerers are pretty damn powerful

Firerock2

Both Stam and Magicka Sorc are very powerful atm and have been for quite some time. Have you tried other classes other than sorcerer?

SneaK

Comes down to player skill. Mag sorc is not easy to play, but in the hands of a highly skilled player, it's pretty much top dog.

RobbaYaga

I play both Sorcs and in my opinion, StamSorc is generally easier to play, but MagSorc is probably more dangerous for top tier players. Either way, since the shield duration nerfs, I find them no more problematic than a MagDK or a Mag-plar in a straight up fight.

If there are any reasons to be frustrated with MagSorcs, it really stems from other things, such as Infernal Guardian and the Destruction Staff Ultimate, both of which are either a little OP or simply easy to abuse.

In the end, as you know, unless we're talking Macro abusers or some other work-around, in PvP it's all about player skill. I am ok and get wrecked quite often, but I can't remember the last time I was upset about a "class."

Turelus

If you want the community to believe something, have a streamer say it. Then it's fact and will be repeated until they hear said streamer say otherwise.

parkham

PVE for me was like night and day comparing a DragonKnight to Sorcerer. I rolled a new Dunmer Magicka sorcerer and melted through the mobs and (most bosses) comparatively. I have a brand new Bosmer Stamina Sorcerer and will be evaluating at some point too. But so far, it's been a cake walk.

Derra

Magsorc and stamblade are the only classes able to survive outnumbered situations without winning.
Magsorc requires very little skill to stay alive - only healing and block is easier but also more gear dependant.
Magsorc is extreme potent for zergsurfing.

All of this makes a pretty powerful class.

However if you don´t utilize pets and necropotence the class isn´t a top dueling class (it´s the weakest range duelist and soso counters melee) and it´s melee counter only works in /duel not open world where enemies simply can walk away from it.
But what do i know. I dislike the concept of mines - but dueling without them is basically suicide against competent players.

SodanTok

OP? No. But imo average player can do better on it in most if not all situations than any other class.

Minalan

Derra wrote: »

Magsorc and stamblade are the only classes able to survive outnumbered situations without winning.
Magsorc requires very little skill to stay alive - only healing and block is easier but also more gear dependant.
Magsorc is extreme potent for zergsurfing.

All of this makes a pretty powerful class.

However if you don´t utilize pets and necropotence the class isn´t a top dueling class (it´s the weakest range duelist and soso counters melee) and it´s melee counter only works in /duel not open world where enemies simply can walk away from it.
But what do i know. I dislike the concept of mines - but dueling without them is basically suicide against competent players.

If they'd fix the bracket targeting issue, pet builds would be about average in dueling.

DHale

Sorc are super powerful... in a group. With people healing you while taking the dizzying swing to face knocking your shield down on the first shot then they step back crit rush light another dizzying swing into reverse slice. Unless you are irylias the Arcane or force siphon you are going to die.

arkansas_ESO

Probably the strongest solo magic class, and one of the strongest in groups. I can't see many downsides to magic sorc.

technohic

I don't know about OP but it has some nice tools. What are they lacking?

Templar lack mobility and CC
DKs lack Mobility
NBs lack decent heals

Twohothardware

SneaK wrote: »

Comes down to player skill. Mag sorc is not easy to play, but in the hands of a highly skilled player, it's pretty much top dog.

MagSorc is listed as the easiest and best class on every guide out there for difficult ESO content. Shield stacking and the recent buff to pets make survivability higher than every other class and your able to do the same DPS from range as other classes which are forced into melee distance.

Gilvoth

sorcerer has allways been the greatest damage dealer and highest survivability even since beta 2013

Micah_Bayer

@dwemer_paleologist My stamplar does more dmg and is more resilient, and my Stam sorcerer does more dmg but having dark deal gives me crazy sustain and burst heals.

Escorpiao_Noturno

Micah_Bayer wrote: »

It is a great class don't get me wrong, but to put it as a god class is pushing it in my honest opinion, so tell me yours.

On your hand.. YES

Pallio

Only if they do not play one.

Everyone knows NB is OP, which is why st people play them and complain about Sorc.

SneaK

Twohothardware wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Comes down to player skill. Mag sorc is not easy to play, but in the hands of a highly skilled player, it's pretty much top dog.

MagSorc is listed as the easiest and best class on every guide out there for difficult ESO content. Shield stacking and the recent buff to pets make survivability higher than every other class and your able to do the same DPS from range as other classes which are forced into melee distance.

Okay, so to stack shields and run around with pets and not kill anybody is easy, I agree. To play a Sorc as an outright killer and maintain your shields whilst doing damage takes a pretty high amount of skill. To which, when done right can be one of the most effective killers in Cyro.

KingJ

Well there are the top dueling class.Best open world magic class for 1vx and really strong in group play.Not to mentioned they pull amazing DPS at range.In pve they make magnb obsolete.Combining all parts of the game mag sorc can be considered a OP class.Since it's really good in all aspect of play from group to solo.

Micah_Bayer

@Escorpiao_Noturno You're too kind:)

Waffennacht

In PvE mSorc is easy to use because of the simple rotation and strong abilities. The computer doesn't counter anything making the 3 potentially hard hitting abilities do very well.

In PvP this is a very different story, the 3 abilities (Frag, Curse, and Wrath) are easily countered. A good player has to be able to time, CC, and survive while trying to get all 3 to line up.

If an opponent has enough mitigation and/or enough counters (such as purging and heals) the sorcerer's only chance to win is with an ultimate. And if this is not enough to win, the sorc cannot win unless their opponent makes a mistake.

That is the standard mSorc. In PvE strong AoEs and Healing from damage, high mobility and strong wards can make you feel like a god... but you're facing a freakin paperweight (sometimes I think paperweights would fair better than some mobs)

In PvP a very good player can make it look like a sorc is invincible, but same can be said of DKs and Temps.

Twohothardware

SneaK wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Comes down to player skill. Mag sorc is not easy to play, but in the hands of a highly skilled player, it's pretty much top dog.

MagSorc is listed as the easiest and best class on every guide out there for difficult ESO content. Shield stacking and the recent buff to pets make survivability higher than every other class and your able to do the same DPS from range as other classes which are forced into melee distance.

Okay, so to stack shields and run around with pets and not kill anybody is easy, I agree. To play a Sorc as an outright killer and maintain your shields whilst doing damage takes a pretty high amount of skill. To which, when done right can be one of the most effective killers in Cyro.

All you have to do to kill people on a MagSorc while shield stacking and streaking is drop a destro Ult.

SneaK

Twohothardware wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Twohothardware wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Comes down to player skill. Mag sorc is not easy to play, but in the hands of a highly skilled player, it's pretty much top dog.

MagSorc is listed as the easiest and best class on every guide out there for difficult ESO content. Shield stacking and the recent buff to pets make survivability higher than every other class and your able to do the same DPS from range as other classes which are forced into melee distance.

Okay, so to stack shields and run around with pets and not kill anybody is easy, I agree. To play a Sorc as an outright killer and maintain your shields whilst doing damage takes a pretty high amount of skill. To which, when done right can be one of the most effective killers in Cyro.

All you have to do to kill people on a MagSorc while shield stacking and streaking is drop a destro Ult.

Okay man. I don't even main a sorc, this isn't me pumping my own tires. My most played character is a NB. Not sure what server you play on but where I'm at there are some sorcs that are extemely talented, meanwhile there are many that are extremely bad. Pugs die to pugs all the time, all I can really say.

Joy_Division

I don't think they are OP, but both varieties of sorcerer are quite strong and also forgiving of mistakes.

Cathexis

I had a discussion about this with other people and I have to say given the progression of patches, playing a sorc has been a lot like someone killing your spouse and telling you being single is great, then proceeding to show you online profiles of people you are half as attracted to.

(I had a better analogy but it was offensive, and it was hard to come up with something equivalent).

Zander98

Both sorts are pretty strong atm but not op.
At least where I play...in Auras. With no bastion or any other CP.
I will say that magsorc can be forgiving open world provided you are only being attacked by 1-2 players. Once you've got 4-5 on you spamming gap closers and snares you have to be on your Ps and Qs.

Lord-Otto

Magsorcs are extremely strong if you don't counter them. But they become very mortal if you dodge the frag, purge the curse and cc the shields.
Stamsorcs have that OP Dark Deal. You can't remove it, it would break them. So you gotta fine-tune it, which is difficult. No ETA on that.

Beardimus

Stan Sorc have been off the chart a while now. Personally U13 wrecked my Sorc build as it was heavily Overload focused / dual wield.

I dont get the huge FOTM push on MagSorc now. Pets survive more, scamp gets another couple of pulses and the 8% single target all Magika Classes get from staff and people go wild.

My field is Sorc may have the maths gain against a dummy full offensive skills only. But as a solo build with wards / defense slotted I dunno if so much.

Don't get me wrong I'm loyal to MagSorc from.launch but I find the Forum surge to crown them OP weird.

Bad Heavy armour users HATE shields, they think it makes Sorc hard to kill lol.

ScooberSteve

Magicka sorcs best dps atm. Magika sorcs in pvp are good but hard play