Pleb gankers in PvP be like...

Kidz_BeAstx

I just want to keep this short and sweet and say that I main a nightblade in 5 heavy/2 medium with 25k resistance when I buff up which is not bad at all. When I used to get ganked, I'd open up a death recap and the damage was like 10k, but now it's more like 4-5k each. I also turn around and kill them in 2 seconds. So all I can say is just try heavy armor,. I have like 500 less weapon damage than I did before, 10% less weapon critical rating, 100 less recovery, and my stuff costs only 600 more. I probably do 5% less damage, but I'm a tank and a damage dealer and my heals are great, so I do not care about those little tiny baby bonuses that you get with medium.

Skinzz

K.

DannyLV702

Tldr

Lokey0024

GL trying to stick a cloak with no dodgeroll redux

Kidz_BeAstx

Lokey0024 wrote: »

GL trying to stick a cloak with no dodgeroll redux

Lmao I don't even use cloak anymore. Most unreliable skill in the game, so I put trap beast where I put cloak. I see no reason to use it anymore.

Oh I almost forgot to mention that I don't dodge roll that much because I actually can take a hit, and actually be able to heal through it. I miss out on very little damage, and I basically have just as much sustain in heavy than medium. I am at almost 40k stamina, and 3000 weapon damage when I buff up which by the way maximum stats are way better than weapon/spell damage. I like it, and if you think that I am not successful then you must have never tried heavy armor before, and if you have then you probably didn't set it up correctly.

Kidz_BeAstx

DannyLV702 wrote: »

Tldr

TLDR version: Wear heavy armor so you can be strong like I am. Or wear medium armor so you can feel like cheddar cheese.

thankyourat

Is this a nerf heavy armor post or a buff stamina nightblade one?

Kidz_BeAstx

@thankyourat Neither. I am just trying to help out fellow nightblades who do nothing but complain about being squishy. The problem is not nightblades, the problem is medium/light armor. It is very underpowered because I think that 12k max for resistance in 5 medium is a little too low, and they're armor is always being cut right through.

FearlessOne_2014

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

@thankyourat Neither. I am just trying to help out fellow nightblades who do nothing but complain about being squishy. The problem is not nightblades, the problem is medium/light armor. It is very underpowered because I think that 12k max for resistance in 5 medium is a little too low, and they're armor is always being cut right through.

This applies to both medium and light. They both are due for a buff in PvP. However w/e, there is always heavy armor, right? Only thing light and medium armor is good for is ganking unsuspecting players from stealth. Which is pretty funny. Heavy armor is just too powerful in PvP atm to go anything else.

Kidz_BeAstx

@FearlessOne_2014 I swear, all I need to do is push one button and they die instantly with my build. I'm getting very tired of using it, and at times I think to myself that I am actually a really good player, but then I remember the times when I said no to cancer, and then I remember how bad I actually am.

I want to get better, but these are not the times for me to do so. Maybe one day when things are actually how they should be I will.

zuto40

I'd be willing to bet 1 mil my medium armor chedder cheese build could beat your big stronk heavy armor build

FearlessOne_2014

zuto40 wrote: »

I'd be willing to bet 1 mil my medium armor chedder cheese build could beat your big stronk heavy armor build

@zuto40 , Stealth ganking build tho right? Either that or you have another buddy, or two or three helpping you gank one person, right?

zuto40

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

I'd be willing to bet 1 mil my medium armor chedder cheese build could beat your big stronk heavy armor build

@zuto40 , Stealth ganking build tho right? Either that or you have another buddy, or two or three helpping you gank one person, right?

no gankblade here

Xeniph

Medium and Light armor have their place. You just have to supplement survivability with dodge roll and shields, respectively. Then be proactive with healing.

These armor types are not relegated to ganking only, as there are some good builds out there that utilize them with great success. For example, Faso in light and Rhage in medium.

Also, a cleanse goes a LONG way these days in pvp, with these armor types.

However, you are right, without good game knowledge and gameplay it's a lot tougher than heavy.

Jawasa

@Xeniph agreed. All magica sorcs do good in light and there seems to be some magica nightblades that do fine too. Stamina templar and nb seem like solid classes in medium.

But do you feel like dk and templar can pull off light? I dunno and i havent tried yet.

Kidz_BeAstx

@Xeniph That sounds really excellent in writing, but it doesn't really perform as well as you are making it seem. I never roll dodge except maybe every 15 seconds, my resources are always at 90% an entire fight, I out heal my incoming damage, and I outd ps my targets. I don't know why you would want to be relying on roll dodge in the first place.

As far as Magicka builds are concerned, all of the good sets come in light, so you really have no choice.

By the way, as of today, I no longer run stamblade. I was getting very tired of how broken and cancerous my build was. I don't know about you, but I don't like being able to push one button to kill my enemies. So I decided to race change to Magicka because I didn't want to end up quitting this game. Now I am having more fun. Just trying to get away from cancer as best I can.

Xeniph

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

@Xeniph That sounds really excellent in writing, but it doesn't really perform as well as you are making it seem. I never roll dodge except maybe every 15 seconds, my resources are always at 90% an entire fight, I out heal my incoming damage, and I outd ps my targets. I don't know why you would want to be relying on roll dodge in the first place.

As far as Magicka builds are concerned, all of the good sets come in light, so you really have no choice.

By the way, as of today, I no longer run stamblade. I was getting very tired of how broken and cancerous my build was. I don't know about you, but I don't like being able to push one button to kill my enemies. So I decided to race change to Magicka because I didn't want to end up quitting this game. Now I am having more fun. Just trying to get away from cancer as best I can.

My point is, your armor type will be effective only if it compliments your spec and playstyle. Most folks don't roll dodge all that often in heavy and light armor, there is no need. And like I pointed out, there are an infinite number of builds out there. Some folks like roll dodge, some prefer shields. However running 7 medium and using Harness for your defense really wouldn't work out.

Hell, I have a build that can nearly roll indefinitely with 2600 recovery and 3k weapon damage (more than enough to kill folks.)

As for good magicka sets all being light, that's just not true. Heck one of THE best magicka dps sets in the game is Heavy-Rattlecage. Then there is the fact that all sets have weapons and jewelry now, further extending your choices.

Don't get me wrong, Heavy is decent, but it's nowhere near the God Mode that some folks would like to claim. I've personally 1-3 ( Without Onslought) shot some really good and hellishly tanky folks, Heavy armor didn't save them. You just have to catch them flat footed. As I said above, your build and playstyle has to work with your armor.

Waffennacht

None of this matters, all of this is gonna change.

Every light attack decreases your regen? No more cost reduction, HA is gonna be taking a huge dive.

Xeniph

Waffennacht wrote: »

None of this matters, all of this is gonna change.

Every light attack decreases your regen? No more cost reduction, HA is gonna be taking a huge dive.

Maybe, maybe not. It's way too early for that. I'm sure the build that was playable at PAX has gone through numerous changes since then. And unless I have missed some more bad cell phone photo's or reveals, The cost reductions could have been shifted to another star/subsection.

In either event, it's too early to start rejoicing or panicking, depending on your position.

Kidz_BeAstx

@Xeniph The thing that would really help the most is to bring back soft caps. I don't think that this CP that everyone speaks of is the huge part of the problem, but rather the fact that people can run full blown tank setups with full blown healer setups and at the same time be damage dealers. The majority of issues just simply come from soft caps. You should not be allowed to make overpowered builds that simply have no weaknesses. But I feel as if ZOS is doing this on purpose, due to the fact that the changes they made to proc sets are a joke. I think they try to remove as much counter play as possible just because of the fact that 9%% of the community in this game is full of bad players, so they cater to them by giving them opportunities to play without skill. Not wearing a tinfoil hat or anything, but rather just a theory.

geonsocal

@Kidz_BeAstx ...howdy...read thru the thread - just wondering, what gear are you using? food or drink, mundus?

still puzzling stuff out myself...seems I'm always one one two patches behind the meta...

from what I've been reading over the last few days it seems to be the consensus that resource pools in stamina and magicka are in fact more important than base weapon/spell damage...

ugh, been chasing high spell/weapon damage numbers for quite a while now...

Kidz_BeAstx

@geonsocal 5 heavy hundings rage, 2 tremor scale, and 5 viper on the jewelry and on the sword and board offesnive bar, and you can use any 2h but maelstrom 2h defending battle axe would be your best bet. I have the serprent mundus because I have hundings rage, and I also am a nightblade so I do not need the critical strike chance mundus. I use the longfin pasty sauce and I have almost 40k maximum stamina, it was 40 but then something weird happened with my stat sheet. The most important part if that you put 75 or more points into blessed in order to feel like a stamdk, you basically have major mending, and if your weapon is powered then it makes it even better. I don't have a screen shot for you because i only played this build for a few days before realizing how boring this is to play. I play magicka now.

chrisub17_ESO104

I play my magblade quite a bit in all light, and not the best gear either all crafted no monster sets.

What I find is that concealed weapon provides more defense then shields. It just plays to our strengths more. You are not going to survive for long taking damage in light armor. not that shields won't help, but having the constant speed boost helps more imo.

navystylz_ESO

tl;dr You have to make absurd builds using armor and abilities that make no sense for specific buffs to be useful in this STILL broken PvP. So you can either play some stupid--and stated several times, boring--that makes no sense concept wise, meshing of abilities-wise, or playstyle you actually enjoy-wise, or not bother with this joke Zenimax is calling PvP.

geonsocal

Kidz_BeAstx wrote: »

@geonsocal 5 heavy hundings rage, 2 tremor scale, and 5 viper on the jewelry and on the sword and board offesnive bar, and you can use any 2h but maelstrom 2h defending battle axe would be your best bet. I have the serprent mundus because I have hundings rage, and I also am a nightblade so I do not need the critical strike chance mundus. I use the longfin pasty sauce and I have almost 40k maximum stamina, it was 40 but then something weird happened with my stat sheet. The most important part if that you put 75 or more points into blessed in order to feel like a stamdk, you basically have major mending, and if your weapon is powered then it makes it even better. I don't have a screen shot for you because i only played this build for a few days before realizing how boring this is to play. I play magicka now.

i like that cp recommendation...sounds really good - only question @Kidz_BeAstx - why not have a team (resisted so hard using the word stable - cuz, i though it would sound a little too dramatic ) of diverse characters capable of inflicting punishment on others and just switch them up depending on your mood?

Kidz_BeAstx

@geonsocal Can you rephrase everything that you just said a little better? I am not quite sure what you are asking here...

geonsocal

sorry @Kidz_BeAstx ...

it seems a waste to tear down a current build you have on a character: heavy armor stamina focused nightblade and turn the character into more of a magicka based nightblade...

it would seem like fun to have both a stamina based nightblade and a magicka based nightblade...

it would require leveling up another character, but, once that is done - you'll have two different kind of nightblade to play...

t3hdubzy

Post a video or it didnt happen

Kidz_BeAstx

@geonsocal You got to realize something though. I have damage shields and I am more viable in PvE than my stamblade, there is a lot of work in grinding out a new magicka character, and I have the destruction staff ultimate so I actually don't feel weak at all. Magicka is OP depending on how well you build it.

Kidz_BeAstx

@t3hdubzy Post a video of what? Of my tankiness? Because I assure you that any nightblade that you try to gank in 5 heavy 2 medium will end you in under 2 seconds, and take no damage.

Mayrael

Yes, OP is right heavy armor outclasses in terms of survivability by a league other armors but:
1. Sustain difference is huge if you like to spam skills, you need to invest more in regen and cost reduction.
2. To you can reach 22-24k ressistances wearing 5L/M + 2 heavy, even more, there are setups that can push you over the cap wearing Light or medium (armor master and blood spawn buffs are stacking as they are not counted as major buffs) so be more creative
3. Avoiding damage is superior to blocking it. You can dodge 30000 arrows in one roll, while 30000 arrows dealing 1dmg would kill a tank. You get the point. Eternal hunt set is so amazing that I cant imagine playing without it. It supports dynamic and agresive style of fighting. Lethal arrow, medium attack, poison, crit rush, incap, roll out, cloak, repeat.
4. Penetration. While on my magplar I reach resist caps with ease but still there are some dmg monsters that can unload on me 7-9k frags crits (yeah I run full impen), I still can take them down as they are made of paper but its more risky, so choose do you like to survive most situations and kill sometimes (killing a no-potato player requires a bit of skill when playing heavy), or kill in most situations and survive much less. As an example, on mag sorc I can kill potatoes one by one with a time needed curse to explode, and disengage while on magplar it takes a bit longer but I dont have to worry about some lucky shots.
5. Heavy armor is best counter to gankers without any doubts. Even best shield stacker is powerless against good ganker, while in HA you dont have to worry about that tards that try to snipe you from 40m while you are 1vX, this is one of the reasons why I prefer HA. BUT you can always run Radiant mage light. Effect is simmilar.

TLDR: heavy armor is better in terms of passive survivability, but there are also other options that can be quite surprising. Be creative, its how legends are born