What should I be at for Magicka as a mag sorc

Sky_WK

I'm sitting at 3.1k weapon damage (fully self buffed with weapon damage enchant) 20k Health, 10k stam and 34k Magicka. I'm struggling a bit with sustain, is that from my rotation, double casting maybe? Or is that just lower Magicka, my Regen is decent, I'm using Julianos and vicious death so no 5 set bonus to help either.

Minalan

Regen glyphs on the jewelry? Start with one, see if that helps.

There's also the purple witch brew food.

I would start there before changing everything out.

Mundus stone? Try atronach. It costs nothing to switch and test it.

Sky_WK

Minalan wrote: »

Regen glyphs on the jewelry? Start with one, see if that helps.

There's also the purple witch brew food.

I would start there before changing everything out.

Mundus stone? Try atronach. It costs nothing to switch and test it.

All 3 of those lower my spell damage (apprentice mundus) tho, I was told I need to be over 3k or I'm useless. Maybe I should farm lich set, the vicious death I could lose even tho I love it. Just so sick of farming sets

PM_1

Don't focus too much on spell damage number. And you will do more damage with higher crit, so use the thief mundus. Do some testing on a test dummy, and look at your damage numbers. My spell damage sits at 2.1K unbuffed and my frags are hitting for 38K in dungeon runs. I'm using burning spellweave.

olsborg

If youre having sustain issues, having lich on backbar is just lovely, sure the grind can be terrible, but lich isnt that hard to get compared to other sets. On frontbar you could run julianos or scathing mage or bis-burning spellweave.

Minalan

Sky_WK wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Regen glyphs on the jewelry? Start with one, see if that helps.

There's also the purple witch brew food.

I would start there before changing everything out.

Mundus stone? Try atronach. It costs nothing to switch and test it.

All 3 of those lower my spell damage (apprentice mundus) tho, I was told I need to be over 3k or I'm useless. Maybe I should farm lich set, the vicious death I could lose even tho I love it. Just so sick of farming sets

Apprentice and mage are definitely the worst mundus you can have.

Atronach for the sustain if you're dying because you're out of magicka. The best overall is thief for the crit, or shadow for the crit damage (people still argue what's best, use what works for you).

I'd try atronach because it's free, if that works swap out one jewelry enchant with regen, and swap to thief to make up for the damage. 10%+ crit is significant.

Witch brew shouldn't reduce damage enough to matter. Keep the sets you have if you're happy with them and tweak other parts of your build.

Sky_WK

Ok, I may have gotten some misinformation, I was told by a few people that crit doesn't matter in pvp because everyone runs impen?

Minalan

Sky_WK wrote: »

Ok, I may have gotten some misinformation, I was told by a few people that crit doesn't matter in pvp because everyone runs impen?

Everyone does wear impen, but most people aren't wearing full 100% crit reduction.

So you can kill yourself with apprentice, trying to grind out another 2-3% spell damage like a fool never killing anyone. OR you can put mage light front bar and thief on your character (20% more crit total) and see what that does for you.

Take it like a dare, it won't cost you a thing to try it. Come back here and let me know the moment you find out that your friends are full of it.

Sky_WK

Minalan wrote: »

Sky_WK wrote: »

Ok, I may have gotten some misinformation, I was told by a few people that crit doesn't matter in pvp because everyone runs impen?

Everyone does wear impen, but most people aren't wearing full 100% crit reduction.

So you can kill yourself with apprentice, trying to grind out another 2-3% spell damage like a fool never killing anyone. OR you can put mage light front bar and thief on your character (20% more crit total) and see what that does for you.

Take it like a dare, it won't cost you a thing to try it. Come back here and let me know the moment you find out that your friends are full of it.

I trust ya. Might as well take advantage of Julianos' 2 spell crit buffs.

Biro123

For PVP, I prefer going for max magicka rather than spelldmg.. Yes, spelldmg will net you more damage output, but max mag isn't *that* far off in terms of damage, but it adds a LOT to your shield strength.

Everyone has different views and ways of doing stuff - but I think 34k mag is too low. Hell, I think 44k is too low, too.

Minalan

If you're a numbers guy you can find the spell damage calculations here:

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/introduction-to-pve-damage-calculation-homestead/

The important thing to know, is that there are two pieces that determine how much damage say, crystal fragments will do.

1. Spell damage: this one is obvious enough, but not the whole story. Stack more and do more damage. Add major sorcery buff and have 20% more spell damage. But crystal fragments won't necessarily hit 20% harder. Sets like burning spell weave and Julianos focus on raw spell damage power.

2. Maximum Magicka: every spell that uses Magicka will scale higher with more max magicka. 10.5 max magicka is equal to 1 spell damage. So having 10,000 more max magicka (50K) instead of 40K is ROUGHLY worth about 1000 more spell damage. It won't show that you have 1000 more spell damage on the stat sheet, but you will hit as hard as if you did. This stat is affected by racial bonuses, mage guild skills slotted, and the undaunted bonus.

For this reason: Many builds will stack 52-55K max magicka and hit harder with only 2200 spell damage than someone with 39K max magicka and 3,000 spell damage. Plus they have more resources to fight with, and shields are bigger with more max Magicka. This is why people use sets like destruction mastery and necropotence to push max magicka as high as they can.

Lastly you have spell critical, critical damage, elemental expert, staff expert, and spell penetration on top of those two, but those two are the BASE damage calculated before anything else is considered.

I hope this helps.