Thank you ZOS, for allowing really bad players to exploit this broken game

Feedinginsanity

I am on PS4 NA, and I can tell you that I am in tears writing this post. In Azura's Star, right now, all 3 alliances are exploiting alliance points by taking turns flipping the outposts, 2 minute rotations, each side gets like 14k each flip. This is a really broken in-game mechanic, and I don't think that you seem to realize how problematic this is. Never do this double AP thing ever again. This is the only reason that this is happening. This happens all the time, yes, but the only difference is that this is so freaking obvious and they have done it every day, all day long, since Monday... I know people do it all the time, but I just don't want this game to turn into what's happening right now.

Shelgon

resource/keep flipping has been around and abused since the game came out on PC, and so many people and guilds have never gotten banned for it unless the particular area was broken, like blackboot. zos aint gonna do jack

deepseamk20b14_ESO

In the end does it really matter? I mean, you can buy whatever set pieces with gold on the broker for mad cheap. Monster sets at the Golden are cheap when it comes to AP. A guy with 10000000000 AP gets no advantage over somone with 10 AP. Is it the titles you want? Leader boards? If factions are trading no single faction should be winning that much over another. It certainly cannot be the skills from assault or support as they are easy to get without abusing AP mechanics. I can't even play during this double CP event because I'm in a hotel with crappie wifi yet I could care less if I come back and my buddies suddenly have thousands of more AP than me. Because it doesn't matter! It 100% doesn't matter and I don't know why people keep complaining about it. AP means absolutely nothing in this game and honestly it's kind of sad.

Jakeol

You're in tears? Really? Let people have their cookie. The whole point of the double AP event is to test performance with no CP and massive zergs (they need lots of people to put strain on the server), having double outpost values is a good incentive for this.


BTW skill does not equate to how much time you play. If you're upset that people are able to farm two weeks of AP in one week who cares? Everyone has the equal opportunity to farm AP, and even if you end up not being able to play during that week, why does it matter? The real no life, no job, no spouse neckbeards will play 16 hours a day to farm AP whether its double AP weekend or not. These people might be upset (ERM MAH GERD MAH APS!) because they tie their ability to farm AP faster than everyone to their sense of self worth. If this is the case they need to take a chill pill and enjoy the PvP for what it really is...which is PvP.

Sirropo

"(they need lots of people to put strain on the server)"

Lots ? ...hell, we straining the servers as a norm.

CatchMeTrolling

lol at the guys condoning boosting, wasting your time the game is full of exploiters. Says a lot when someone jumps to their defense rather than acknowledge the issue.

Welcome to the age of entitlement.

Arthg

APs can be converted into gold through motifs or other.

Let's pause and think about the new players who really want to PvP and are not sitting on piles of APs and/or gold as we old timers are.

The flag-flippers' behaviour is a total disgrace, which does have an impact on the economy and the general moral(e).

But the blame to me is all on ZOS, who let it happen, while dozens of easy fixes have been suggested.

Frawr

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

I am on PS4 NA, and I can tell you that I am in tears writing this post. In Azura's Star, right now, all 3 alliances are exploiting alliance points by taking turns flipping the outposts, 2 minute rotations, each side gets like 14k each flip. This is a really broken in-game mechanic, and I don't think that you seem to realize how problematic this is. Never do this double AP thing ever again. This is the only reason that this is happening. This happens all the time, yes, but the only difference is that this is so freaking obvious and they have done it every day, all day long, since Monday... I know people do it all the time, but I just don't want this game to turn into what's happening right now.

How stupid do you take these devs for... of course they knew what would happen. They have watched these servers for 3 years.

They wanted to strain the server. 500 people on 1 spot spamming aoes will do exactly that.

flipping keeps may not be in the spirit of the game as you expect it to be but it is not a an exploit of a broken mechanic.

Killset

They are single handedly stripping away the things that keep people playing.... Want the maw skin? Glitch it. Want a super high PvP rank?... camp in the rocks around Bleakers and earn 450k AP an hour... People have gone from Tyro to Palatine during this mess. Bleakers and Nickle are where Grand Overlords are born. All while watching Netflix and YouTube videos. Not to mention the monetary gains to be made. Way to go ZOS.

redspecter23

Please, this isn't an exploit. ZOS is fully aware of the AP gains as they're the ones that recently increased them, then doubled them this week. You can argue that you don't like the metagame that this change has spawned but please learn the definition of exploit as this isn't one. Nobody will be banned for legit flipping resources repeatedly.

Paraflex

Talk about abusing a system that rewards flipping outposts. The level of collusion between alliances is so bad right now...deflated AP items, inflated AP ranks, AP in general is flooding the market, PvP Ranks at this point are a joke....I hope the AP boost was worth the integrity of the game for the Devs.

RebornV3x

It is what it is nearly every Grand Overlord has taken advantage of broken/op skills and sets or have account shared and other questionable things which is actually against the TOS but farming ap at a keep is somehow worse Ok lol

Waffennacht

SOB my "World's First Blabba blah" thread just won't catch the same kind of attention now!

See I agree it's discouraging to see such behavior, however if your reason for being disgruntled is because some sort of caste-based hierarchy that comes with a freakin title has become jeopardized by the availability of such title then I have absolutely zero sympathy for you.

My concern is over the spirit of the game where titles and achievements become more important than the majority of the player base having fun, not that my status may be overlooked by strangers.

CatchMeTrolling

redspecter23 wrote: »

Please, this isn't an exploit. ZOS is fully aware of the AP gains as they're the ones that recently increased them, then doubled them this week. You can argue that you don't like the metagame that this change has spawned but please learn the definition of exploit as this isn't one. Nobody will be banned for legit flipping resources repeatedly.

It is an exploit, it wasnt intended to flip keeps back and forth, it was intended to make resources & keeps/outposts worth more. Exploits start by using legit mechanics for their unintended purposes and playing hot potato with keeps isn't pvp at all.

To add: "In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers"

CatchMeTrolling

RebornV3x wrote: »

It is what it is nearly every Grand Overlord has taken advantage of broken/op skills and sets or have account shared and other questionable things which is actually against the TOS but farming ap at a keep is somehow worse Ok lol

Farming and boosting is entirely two different things.

FearlessOne_2014

Paraflex wrote: »

Talk about abusing a system that rewards flipping outposts. The level of collusion between alliances is so bad right now...deflated AP items, inflated AP ranks, AP in general is flooding the market, PvP Ranks at this point are a joke....I hope the AP boost was worth the integrity of the game for the Devs.

*Puts on tin foil hat.

What if this was all a scheme by ZOS. To get players to do just this. Then deflate AP so bad that it is not worth much. This move being pulling right before the new expansion, and it's 4v4v4 battlegrounds release. Seems too convenient and strategic to me.

*Takes off tin foil hat.

But in all seriousness. I think the integrity of the game is the same as before. Minus the fact that AP is going to drop like a rock. Unless the trade alliances step in to save it.

redspecter23

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Please, this isn't an exploit. ZOS is fully aware of the AP gains as they're the ones that recently increased them, then doubled them this week. You can argue that you don't like the metagame that this change has spawned but please learn the definition of exploit as this isn't one. Nobody will be banned for legit flipping resources repeatedly.

It is an exploit, it wasnt intended to flip keeps back and forth, it was intended to make resources & keeps/outposts worth more. Exploits start by using legit mechanics for their unintended purposes and playing hot potato with keeps isn't pvp at all.

To add: "In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers"

I still stand by my statement. It is a crappy form of play but not an exploit. The players are doing nothing against TOS that I'm aware of. They are metagaming to achieve an advantage but no rules are being broken. Nobody is glitching into a keep. No 3rd party hacks are being used. No macros. The game mechanics are being played exactly as designed, it's just that the design is crap.

Olen_Mikko

"Clever way to gain AP"
- ZOS

anitajoneb17_ESO

You're in... tears ?? Over a... video game ?
Shaking my head...

White wabbit

Just take the alliance rank titles away , they mean nothing now

geonsocal

this looks vaguely familiar...is this a copy and paste thread...or, is it just the odd usage of red colored letters that I may have seen before...

personally I think darkblue or goldenrod really makes a point that much clearer and really pop...

FloppyTouch

Rank means nothing AP does not have much value

arkansas_ESO

Arthg wrote: »

APs can be converted into gold through motifs or other.

Let's pause and think about the new players who really want to PvP and are not sitting on piles of APs and/or gold as we old timers are.

The flag-flippers' behaviour is a total disgrace, which does have an impact on the economy and the general moral(e).

But the blame to me is all on ZOS, who let it happen, while dozens of easy fixes have been suggested.

Let's not pretend like AP hasn't been mostly worthless for a long time now, this change didn't single handedly kill the AP market.

DannyLV702

We're talking about roleplaying, correct?

ZoM_Head

Shelgon wrote: »

resource/keep flipping has been around and abused since the game came out on PC, and so many people and guilds have never gotten banned for it unless the particular area was broken, like blackboot. zos aint gonna do jack

Very very sad, however very very true.

Technically that is not an exploit, bug abuse, cheat or anything of the sorts. Its just a way of grinding AP/AvA Rank.

White wabbit

ZoM_Head wrote: »

Shelgon wrote: »

resource/keep flipping has been around and abused since the game came out on PC, and so many people and guilds have never gotten banned for it unless the particular area was broken, like blackboot. zos aint gonna do jack

Very very sad, however very very true.

Technically that is not an exploit, bug abuse, cheat or anything of the sorts. Its just a way of grinding AP/AvA Rank.

Nope it's abuse of a Mechanic that should have been dealt with ages ago

Hashtag_

Shelgon wrote: »

resource/keep flipping has been around and abused since the game came out on PC, and so many people and guilds have never gotten banned for it unless the particular area was broken, like blackboot. zos aint gonna do jack

redspecter23 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

Please, this isn't an exploit. ZOS is fully aware of the AP gains as they're the ones that recently increased them, then doubled them this week. You can argue that you don't like the metagame that this change has spawned but please learn the definition of exploit as this isn't one. Nobody will be banned for legit flipping resources repeatedly.

It is an exploit, it wasnt intended to flip keeps back and forth, it was intended to make resources & keeps/outposts worth more. Exploits start by using legit mechanics for their unintended purposes and playing hot potato with keeps isn't pvp at all.

To add: "In video games, an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, or speed, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game's designers"

I still stand by my statement. It is a crappy form of play but not an exploit. The players are doing nothing against TOS that I'm aware of. They are metagaming to achieve an advantage but no rules are being broken. Nobody is glitching into a keep. No 3rd party hacks are being used. No macros. The game mechanics are being played exactly as designed, it's just that the design is crap.

It's not a a "form of play," these boosters are sitting in a resource, not fighting, and taking turns flipping the resource. There is a wall that remains down so people are free to enter and leave the resource. They are not battling for the resource. It's an exploit of a mechanic in it's purest form. Such exploits have resulted in discipline from ZOS.

Hashtag_

FloppyTouch wrote: »

Rank means nothing AP does not have much value

lol, 500k ap for roughly 100k in game gold. So say a booster was doing this all week and made 20 million AP, which did happen for players, that person could make upwards of 4 million in game gold. That doesn't include the money they would make selling the higher end rewards of the worthy items.

malicia

I get the OP's frustration, but I don't think that you can call keep flipping "exploiting". The alliances have decided to make turns to manage Bleakers because they gain AP by doing so. Enemies have made peace, and have smoked a couple of joints together.

While you and I might not like it, there's nothing in the ToS that I know of that forces players to fight the other alliances while in Cyrodil or that prohibits the making of alliances. The playerbase is doing something that ZOS allows them to do, so if ZOS feels that keep flipping is not what they want, they should change it.

My question - how can ZOS prevent keep flipping?
A solution might be to introduce an AP penalty to all the alliance's players who are in Cyrodil whenever a keep is lost within a certain time of it being captured. Example: if yellow captures Bleakers and loses it again within 15 minutes, all yellow players currently in Cyrodil loses the same amount of AP that capturing Bleakers gives. Flipping will still be possible, but at most 4 times an hour.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Easy to fix this. When flags are flipped have the walls automatically repair themselves and all enemy players in the keep/outpost instantly die (similar mechanic that happens near a scroll temple). Now other factions will have to seige the walls again--using AP to buy seige and slowing down how fast the flags can be flipped.

It would almost remove wall repairing as a mechanic but would stop the keep flipping.

Soon: threads about collusion to flip cropsford.

TheBonesXXX

I thought the game was just about kicking everyones ass, I wish they would go to a guild based system where your PvP rank is earned through the guild and not the game and then useful perks unlock that alloy you to do certain things.

Then we can just kill everyone.