Console dps dummies

kalimar44

I'm a stamina DK that dose dw and 2h with 530 cp . Been testing out my dps and I average about 18000 dps with it being higher at times. From what I've read I'm doing pretty good. Any thoughts on this?

Izaki

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

kalimar44

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Hmm, I have a wep damage of 4500 self buffed, 60% crit. I'm using kena set, hundings rage,night mother, dam jewelry. Everything is legendary.

Izaki

kalimar44 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Hmm, I have a wep damage of 4500 self buffed, 60% crit. I'm using kena set, hundings rage,night mother, dam jewelry. Everything is legendary.

See its not so much about your stats in PvE. Its more about having a good rotation and gear that works well together. Your build sounds like a PvP build.

The absolute BiS setup for any stamina DPS currently, is 5 pc Two Fanged Snake, 3 pc Alkosh or Vicious Ophidian, 2pc Velidreth and Maelstrom Daggers and Maelstrom Bow. So this gear isn't easily accessible obviously. A good place to start out is 2 pc Velidreth, 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Spriggan's. With this you can farm some normal trials to get your Vicious Ophidian 5pc set and then go into Maelstrom arena to farm for the weapons.

You should be using Dual Wield and Bow for maximum DPS potential. 2H doesn't even compare.
You bars should look like this for a stamina DK while starting out on DPSing
DW:
- Rapid Strikes
- Venomous Claw
- Rending Slashes
- Steel Tornado
- Flames of Oblivion
- Flawless Dawnbreaker

Bow:
- Endless Hail
- Poison Injection
- Rearming Trap
- Vigor
- Caltrops
- Standard of Might

Your rotation is arguably the most important part of any PvE build:
For a stamina DK when you're starting out, without Maelstrom weapons the rotation should go like this:
Step 1: Flames of Oblivion > Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x2
Step 2: Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x3
Repeat.
Use Standard of Might as your main ultimate

With all this you should be good for farming for BiS gear if you're interested in serious PvE content of course. You should be hitting around 30k DPS with this stuff. When you get the gear, you'll be hitting around 40k+

kalimar44

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Hmm, I have a wep damage of 4500 self buffed, 60% crit. I'm using kena set, hundings rage,night mother, dam jewelry. Everything is legendary.

See its not so much about your stats in PvE. Its more about having a good rotation and gear that works well together. Your build sounds like a PvP build.

The absolute BiS setup for any stamina DPS currently, is 5 pc Two Fanged Snake, 3 pc Alkosh or Vicious Ophidian, 2pc Velidreth and Maelstrom Daggers and Maelstrom Bow. So this gear isn't easily accessible obviously. A good place to start out is 2 pc Velidreth, 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Spriggan's. With this you can farm some normal trials to get your Vicious Ophidian 5pc set and then go into Maelstrom arena to farm for the weapons.

You should be using Dual Wield and Bow for maximum DPS potential. 2H doesn't even compare.
You bars should look like this for a stamina DK while starting out on DPSing
DW:
- Rapid Strikes
- Venomous Claw
- Rending Slashes
- Steel Tornado
- Flames of Oblivion
- Flawless Dawnbreaker

Bow:
- Endless Hail
- Poison Injection
- Rearming Trap
- Vigor
- Caltrops
- Standard of Might

Your rotation is arguably the most important part of any PvE build:
For a stamina DK when you're starting out, without Maelstrom weapons the rotation should go like this:
Step 1: Flames of Oblivion > Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x2
Step 2: Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x3
Repeat.
Use Standard of Might as your main ultimate

With all this you should be good for farming for BiS gear if you're interested in serious PvE content of course. You should be hitting around 30k DPS with this stuff. When you get the gear, you'll be hitting around 40k+

Thanks for the info, and I thought about going to bow instead of 2h.

darthsithis

3mil or 6mil? Robust one might be cause of lower numbers. If not, get your rotation down perfect, it's easy to practice now

darthsithis

And it looks like u were calling me a dummy for playing on console with that title lol

xboxNA corin6

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Wait a second, I don't pve in this game, but it sounds like stamina does actually more dps than magicka. Why are people complaining about pve stamina then? Giving up ranged to deal more damage is kind of how it works in all pve endgames. Just curious.

darthsithis

For right now, magicka seems to be hitting harder over longer fights.

Burst damage, night blade stam wins. 600k maelstrom score proved that. Stam sorcs melt vma too.

But overall, with pets and ele drain and trial buffs, inferno staff buffs, going back to og monster sets...magsorc is getting up there...

darthsithis

A week ago stam out dpsd mag like by a landslide

Izaki

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Wait a second, I don't pve in this game, but it sounds like stamina does actually more dps than magicka. Why are people complaining about pve stamina then? Giving up ranged to deal more damage is kind of how it works in all pve endgames. Just curious.

Magicka does basically the same on test dummies nowadays. In trials, they have like 4 times more AoE DPS though as well as good survivability and great cleave damage.Stamina doesn't have much AoE or Cleave damage and survivability sucks. Magicka Sorcerer with pets deals the same damage as a Stamina DK in single target and does that from range while having insane AoE. Stamina is outclassed in PvE.

darthsithis wrote: »

For right now, magicka seems to be hitting harder over longer fights.

Burst damage, night blade stam wins. 600k maelstrom score proved that. Stam sorcs melt vma too.

But overall, with pets and ele drain and trial buffs, inferno staff buffs, going back to og monster sets...magsorc is getting up there...

Stamina Sorcerer was the first class to break 600k in vMA, NB was second. In terms of staight up burst both Sorc and NB are very similar, but Sorc has more survivability and AoE than NB. So in vMA there isn't much difference because stuff melts, in trials the difference is pretty big. Its hard to be stamblade nowadays lol

phillyproduct

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

I need some help to get my nb pve numbers up im normally around 25k on the dps dummy what would u recommend rotation wise

Articulemort

kalimar44 wrote: »

I'm a stamina DK that dose dw and 2h with 530 cp . Been testing out my dps and I average about 18000 dps with it being higher at times. From what I've read I'm doing pretty good. Any thoughts on this?

18k is good enough to clear all base game vet dungeons, for the most part. People typically say 20k is the min, your close enough. 25k for the Dlc dungeons, and trials is like 30k or so.

I'd say your dps is decent enough, work on your rotation and make sure you weave light attacks to boost your dps.

If your wanting to run end game vet trials you really need to run the BiS gear mentioned above.

Izaki

@phillyproduct I'd recommend this: http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/stamina-nightblade-pve-dps-for-homestead/

xboxNA corin6

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

xboxNA corin6 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Wait a second, I don't pve in this game, but it sounds like stamina does actually more dps than magicka. Why are people complaining about pve stamina then? Giving up ranged to deal more damage is kind of how it works in all pve endgames. Just curious.

Magicka does basically the same on test dummies nowadays. In trials, they have like 4 times more AoE DPS though as well as good survivability and great cleave damage.Stamina doesn't have much AoE or Cleave damage and survivability sucks. Magicka Sorcerer with pets deals the same damage as a Stamina DK in single target and does that from range while having insane AoE. Stamina is outclassed in PvE.

darthsithis wrote: »

For right now, magicka seems to be hitting harder over longer fights.

Burst damage, night blade stam wins. 600k maelstrom score proved that. Stam sorcs melt vma too.

But overall, with pets and ele drain and trial buffs, inferno staff buffs, going back to og monster sets...magsorc is getting up there...

Stamina Sorcerer was the first class to break 600k in vMA, NB was second. In terms of staight up burst both Sorc and NB are very similar, but Sorc has more survivability and AoE than NB. So in vMA there isn't much difference because stuff melts, in trials the difference is pretty big. Its hard to be stamblade nowadays lol

Hmm, just by quick analysis, sounds like steel tornado, and 2her aoe passives need to be buffed. Buffing single target damage flatly would just make stamina overpowered in pvp. Some kind of ramping damage might be needed for stamina toons for pve. Mabye some weapon passives need to adjusted similar to how eagle eye works. Mabye 20 stacks adding 1% dps per stack, lasting only up to 3 seconds though in order to fall off fast in pvp while you are caught in CCs. Gap closers in pve would allow good uptime while switching targets. What do I know though, I've only ever done one trial the whole time I've played this game haha.

xboxNA corin6

Or now that I think of it, just buff stamina pve gear.

Waffennacht

Also remember there is a difference between single target dps and not single target.

Also remember some people play with buffs from other players.

I haven't had a chance to test on a dummy, but against vet dungeon bosses I can hit around (some higher some lower) 22kish dps (all in AoE dmg however) so it's absolutely perfect for soloing veteran dungeons.

Most of these trial builds would not survive soloing a veteran dungeon

xboxNA corin6

Waffennacht wrote: »

Also remember there is a difference between single target dps and not single target.

Also remember some people play with buffs from other players.

I haven't had a chance to test on a dummy, but against vet dungeon bosses I can hit around (some higher some lower) 22kish dps (all in AoE dmg however) so it's absolutely perfect for soloing veteran dungeons.

Most of these trial builds would not survive soloing a veteran dungeon

No offense Waff, but isn't soloing vet dungeons kind of a pointless unless you are just trying to grind gears?

KrewX

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Hmm, I have a wep damage of 4500 self buffed, 60% crit. I'm using kena set, hundings rage,night mother, dam jewelry. Everything is legendary.

See its not so much about your stats in PvE. Its more about having a good rotation and gear that works well together. Your build sounds like a PvP build.

The absolute BiS setup for any stamina DPS currently, is 5 pc Two Fanged Snake, 3 pc Alkosh or Vicious Ophidian, 2pc Velidreth and Maelstrom Daggers and Maelstrom Bow. So this gear isn't easily accessible obviously. A good place to start out is 2 pc Velidreth, 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Spriggan's. With this you can farm some normal trials to get your Vicious Ophidian 5pc set and then go into Maelstrom arena to farm for the weapons.

You should be using Dual Wield and Bow for maximum DPS potential. 2H doesn't even compare.
You bars should look like this for a stamina DK while starting out on DPSing
DW:
- Rapid Strikes
- Venomous Claw
- Rending Slashes
- Steel Tornado
- Flames of Oblivion
- Flawless Dawnbreaker

Bow:
- Endless Hail
- Poison Injection
- Rearming Trap
- Vigor
- Caltrops
- Standard of Might

Your rotation is arguably the most important part of any PvE build:
For a stamina DK when you're starting out, without Maelstrom weapons the rotation should go like this:
Step 1: Flames of Oblivion > Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x2
Step 2: Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x3
Repeat.
Use Standard of Might as your main ultimate

With all this you should be good for farming for BiS gear if you're interested in serious PvE content of course. You should be hitting around 30k DPS with this stuff. When you get the gear, you'll be hitting around 40k+

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Hmm, I have a wep damage of 4500 self buffed, 60% crit. I'm using kena set, hundings rage,night mother, dam jewelry. Everything is legendary.

See its not so much about your stats in PvE. Its more about having a good rotation and gear that works well together. Your build sounds like a PvP build.

The absolute BiS setup for any stamina DPS currently, is 5 pc Two Fanged Snake, 3 pc Alkosh or Vicious Ophidian, 2pc Velidreth and Maelstrom Daggers and Maelstrom Bow. So this gear isn't easily accessible obviously. A good place to start out is 2 pc Velidreth, 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Spriggan's. With this you can farm some normal trials to get your Vicious Ophidian 5pc set and then go into Maelstrom arena to farm for the weapons.

You should be using Dual Wield and Bow for maximum DPS potential. 2H doesn't even compare.
You bars should look like this for a stamina DK while starting out on DPSing
DW:
- Rapid Strikes
- Venomous Claw
- Rending Slashes
- Steel Tornado
- Flames of Oblivion
- Flawless Dawnbreaker

Bow:
- Endless Hail
- Poison Injection
- Rearming Trap
- Vigor
- Caltrops
- Standard of Might

Your rotation is arguably the most important part of any PvE build:
For a stamina DK when you're starting out, without Maelstrom weapons the rotation should go like this:
Step 1: Flames of Oblivion > Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x2
Step 2: Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x3
Repeat.
Use Standard of Might as your main ultimate

With all this you should be good for farming for BiS gear if you're interested in serious PvE content of course. You should be hitting around 30k DPS with this stuff. When you get the gear, you'll be hitting around 40k+

KrewX

Iza

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

kalimar44 wrote: »

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

18k is actually VERY low, sorry to be a bit harsh...

Basically... 30k self buffed is enough for all veteran content, 35k is okay, more than that is good basically. Usually every guild has their own requirements, like for example in mine we consider 36k+ on magicka builds to be good and 39k+ on stamina builds to be good.

As a stamina DK, you're the highest DPS class of all stamina classes. On a stamina nightblade, I pull 41.3k.

Work on your rotation and get better gear, if you need advice, I'm willing to help out

Hmm, I have a wep damage of 4500 self buffed, 60% crit. I'm using kena set, hundings rage,night mother, dam jewelry. Everything is legendary.

See its not so much about your stats in PvE. Its more about having a good rotation and gear that works well together. Your build sounds like a PvP build.

The absolute BiS setup for any stamina DPS currently, is 5 pc Two Fanged Snake, 3 pc Alkosh or Vicious Ophidian, 2pc Velidreth and Maelstrom Daggers and Maelstrom Bow. So this gear isn't easily accessible obviously. A good place to start out is 2 pc Velidreth, 5pc Hunding's Rage and 5pc Spriggan's. With this you can farm some normal trials to get your Vicious Ophidian 5pc set and then go into Maelstrom arena to farm for the weapons.

You should be using Dual Wield and Bow for maximum DPS potential. 2H doesn't even compare.
You bars should look like this for a stamina DK while starting out on DPSing
DW:
- Rapid Strikes
- Venomous Claw
- Rending Slashes
- Steel Tornado
- Flames of Oblivion
- Flawless Dawnbreaker

Bow:
- Endless Hail
- Poison Injection
- Rearming Trap
- Vigor
- Caltrops
- Standard of Might

Your rotation is arguably the most important part of any PvE build:
For a stamina DK when you're starting out, without Maelstrom weapons the rotation should go like this:
Step 1: Flames of Oblivion > Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x2
Step 2: Rearming Trap > Endless Hail > Poison Injection > swap > Venom Claw > Rending Slashes > Rapid Strikes x3
Repeat.
Use Standard of Might as your main ultimate

With all this you should be good for farming for BiS gear if you're interested in serious PvE content of course. You should be hitting around 30k DPS with this stuff. When you get the gear, you'll be hitting around 40k+

So where would you put your cp into?

Father_X_Zombie

PvE noob question as im almost exclusively PvP:

How exactly is that dps calculated? Like people talk about having 30k dps for trials. Is it the number of damage you do to a target in a minute or something? Im confused lol

Seraphayel

DPS is damage per second.

On console it's fairly easy to see how it works, let's use some made up numbers:

The target skeleton has 3 million HP. You need 5 minutes to “kill“ it (bring its HP to zero) that makes:

3.000.000 : 300 seconds = 10.000 DPS

So you're dealing 10000 damage per second.

Father_X_Zombie

Seraphayel wrote: »

DPS is damage per second.

On console it's fairly easy to see how it works, let's use some made up numbers:

The target skeleton has 3 million HP. You need 5 minutes to “kill“ it (bring its HP to zero) that makes:

3.000.000 : 300 seconds = 10.000 DPS

So you're dealing 10000 damage per second.

Ok, thx I see it now

darthsithis

My magsorc can't break 26k on the 6mil, time was 4:21... I can link a video I rly don't know what I'm doing wrong it looks like I'm spanking the darn thing pretty hard

Izaki

Waffennacht wrote: »

Also remember there is a difference between single target dps and not single target.

Also remember some people play with buffs from other players.

I haven't had a chance to test on a dummy, but against vet dungeon bosses I can hit around (some higher some lower) 22kish dps (all in AoE dmg however) so it's absolutely perfect for soloing veteran dungeons.

Most of these trial builds would not survive soloing a veteran dungeon

Don't see what you're talking about, i used to farm monster helms solo on my stam sorc and my stam nb in trial builds with a few skill variations and it was fine.