magicka NB for PVP

Reefo

Magicka nightblade is in a really bad place in pvp, there's maybe 3 clear effective ways to play it and be useful

1. Zergbomber - yeah destro ultimate very nice kill everything, most guys using dual wield and destro which is squish af.
2. Destro + resto - a range projectile build that is outclassed by a sorc.
3. Destro ganker - heavy attack elegant set or Stygian.

Melee magblades are non existent, they have the class skills for gap closing and melee magic based attacks but it's just bad.
Templars and dks are 100% viable with stamina weapons on both bars for example.

Concealed weapon is just for sneaking fast it seems.

If I am wrong and there is anyone having fun as a magicka melee nightblade in pvp please kindly help me.

Also Oh strife increase 33% cost, wth? GG

icontrive

Got on for the first time yesterday since homestead dropped and I was highly disappointed with the changes. My builds sustain feels much worse thanks to the strife increase. The skill wasn't even that good so I'm still confused on why they did that. I miss melee mageblade but zos is apparently pushing all magic classes towards destro it seems like so I don't know what to expect now.

thankyourat

I actually think 1v1 magblade is better than sorc. It's harder to counter. With sorc being more effective for solo PvP. Have you tried a combination of range and melee with the destro staff. That's usually what I do it's pretty fun. Dual wield magblade has definitely seen better days. It completely rips aparts medium armor though it's just too bad everyone is in heavy lol

Knootewoot

Reefo wrote: »

Magicka nightblade is in a really bad place in pvp, there's maybe 3 clear effective ways to play it and be useful

1. Zergbomber - yeah destro ultimate very nice kill everything, most guys using dual wield and destro which is squish af.
2. Destro + resto - a range projectile build that is outclassed by a sorc.
3. Destro ganker - heavy attack elegant set or Stygian.

Melee magblades are non existent, they have the class skills for gap closing and melee magic based attacks but it's just bad.
Templars and dks are 100% viable with stamina weapons on both bars for example.

Concealed weapon is just for sneaking fast it seems.

If I am wrong and there is anyone having fun as a magicka melee nightblade in pvp please kindly help me.

Also Oh strife increase 33% cost, wth? GG

I still play as melee magblade and have fun.

BUT it's hard. Some days I slice and dice away and make many kills. Other days I only seem to die and don't seem to do any damage.
They days I do make kills is probably because those are light/medium armored people with no impen trait.
The day I cannot kill anyone is because they wear HA with impen and because I made a mistake attacking a fully buffed DK which is wrong.

I wear kragneroc 5 pcs and either mother's sorrow or spinner 5 pcs and I use kena 2 pc's for the overload proc.

I could use alchemist, but I don't want the hassle to drink a potion before I start and switch to other bar but alchemist works good.

I mostly wear 5 light, 1 medium and 1 HA but some days I switch to 5 HA, 1 medium and 1 light. I prefer light though but you die quick even with full impen.

Damage wise a melee magblade is no match to the counterpart stamblade. Defence wise also not. But I do have almost unlimited cloak which makes me an awesome scout and siege burner.

Jitterbug

Yes, it can easily feel severely underpowered. Wailing away at some unknowing enemy who then slowly turns around, /yawns, and flame lashes me a couple times like I'm a fly.

But at least I have the most overpowered skill in the whole game; Cloak!

Knootewoot

Jitterbug wrote: »

Wailing away at some unknowing enemy who then slowly turns around, /yawns, and flame lashes me a couple times like I'm a fly.

I had to chuckle at this, but it's so true

Reefo

Knootewoot wrote: »

But I do have almost unlimited cloak which makes me an awesome scout and siege burner.

and with kagrenacs hope a handy invisible medic reviver! awesome! XD

Knootewoot

Reefo wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

But I do have almost unlimited cloak which makes me an awesome scout and siege burner.

and with kagrenacs hope a handy invisible medic reviver! awesome! XD

If I don't wear Krag's and do not have the passive from alliance support skill I find rezzing to slow. Rezzing other people to be my shields is what I do.

SlowMetabolism

Magblades (atleast destro resto) are really underestimated in PvP, the swallow soul cost increase is not even noticable. Anyone who says otherwise must not use siphoning attacks. As a magblade you should never run out of resources. If you light attack weave nonstop inbetween everything in an outnumbered situation or 1v1 you are always topped off on stam (and magic) which is usually a mag classes weakness. As for being outclasses by sorc I would say they are about even. Both LA weave swallow/force pulse, have hard hitting burst with spectral/frag, keep up pressure with cripple/curse etc.

Knootewoot

SlowMetabolism wrote: »

Magblades (atleast destro resto) are really underestimated in PvP, the swallow soul cost increase is not even noticable. Anyone who says otherwise must not use siphoning attacks. As a magblade you should never run out of resources. If you light attack weave nonstop inbetween everything in an outnumbered situation or 1v1 you are always topped off on stam (and magic) which is usually a mag classes weakness. As for being outclasses by sorc I would say they are about even. Both LA weave swallow/force pulse, have hard hitting burst with spectral/frag, keep up pressure with cripple/curse etc.

I hardly run out of resources. The problem is that even with 10k tooltip of concealed weapon (I am melee) it feels like I throw mothballs at my enemy. And then I get perma stunned, resource drained, teabagged, caltropped, marked, cursed, sniped, procced in 1 vs x if I don't cloak away.

Reefo

Knootewoot wrote: »

SlowMetabolism wrote: »

Magblades (atleast destro resto) are really underestimated in PvP, the swallow soul cost increase is not even noticable. Anyone who says otherwise must not use siphoning attacks. As a magblade you should never run out of resources. If you light attack weave nonstop inbetween everything in an outnumbered situation or 1v1 you are always topped off on stam (and magic) which is usually a mag classes weakness. As for being outclasses by sorc I would say they are about even. Both LA weave swallow/force pulse, have hard hitting burst with spectral/frag, keep up pressure with cripple/curse etc.

I hardly run out of resources. The problem is that even with 10k tooltip of concealed weapon (I am melee) it feels like I throw mothballs at my enemy. And then I get perma stunned, resource drained, teabagged, caltropped, marked, cursed, sniped, procced in 1 vs x if I don't cloak away.

Lol that teabagging comment - funny, weaving light destro attacks on console are not easy, it's often pressed to early and you don't even see the fire ball, in duels yes magblade destro is strong, but we talking about pvp, where you can't just say it's okay I'm gonna have a lot of 1v1 coz you're not.

Anyway I did some testing just now, torugs pact with light weaving concealed weapon with infused main hand and sharpened off hand is very decent. 5k main enchantment proc every 1.4sec. It's like a proc set that can crit. The skill damage is still weak with 10k concealed weapon. And you die more to sorcs coz you don't want to be up in their mines.

It still lacks burst and surviability,
I tried with 5 torugs 4 lich 3 willpower with lich resto back bar. I'm thinking that to make this viable I will need to drop lich for necropotence and use iceheart, and use a destro for the ultimate, thoughts??

SlowMetabolism

Knootewoot wrote: »

I hardly run out of resources. The problem is that even with 10k tooltip of concealed weapon (I am melee) it feels like I throw mothballs at my enemy. And then I get perma stunned, resource drained, teabagged, caltropped, marked, cursed, sniped, procced in 1 vs x if I don't cloak away.

Played melee magblade before imperial city when I first started. Destro resto is the way to go not sure why anyone would really play melee magblade. Gimping yourself in the long run for both duels and open world solo PvP. I dont run cloak so I dont have a problem with mark but have been thinking about running purge instead of double take.

SlowMetabolism

Reefo wrote: »

Lol that teabagging comment - funny, weaving light destro attacks on console are not easy, it's often pressed to early and you don't even see the fire ball, in duels yes magblade destro is strong, but we talking about pvp, where you can't just say it's okay I'm gonna have a lot of 1v1 coz you're not.

Anyway I did some testing just now, torugs pact with light weaving concealed weapon with infused main hand and sharpened off hand is very decent. 5k main enchantment proc every 1.4sec. It's like a proc set that can crit. The skill damage is still weak with 10k concealed weapon. And you die more to sorcs coz you don't want to be up in their mines.

It still lacks burst and surviability,
I tried with 5 torugs 4 lich 3 willpower with lich resto back bar. I'm thinking that to make this viable I will need to drop lich for necropotence and use iceheart, and use a destro for the ultimate, thoughts??

I play Xbox NA and very rarely can I not see my LA's. If you cant see your LA's its time to get out of that PvP camp lol. Even if you play dual wield magblade you should have a very basic and effective burst combo. Spectral meteor fear GG for most all medium/light users especially with cripple ticking. Even HA users so long as they are damaged a little can be bursted by that combo. As for survivability when im on the defensive I swap to my back resto and just light attack between harness spams (make sure you have siphoning and spectral up) and then once you hear the proc you swap and shoot it. If it hits they are immediatly on the defensive.

Lexxypwns

I take strong issue that range mageblade is outclassed by sorc. Mageblade has much more tools than mag sorc, especially while streak roots you. There's this misconception that makes me laugh so much. Mageblade has better sustain, better pressure, better positioning tools(cloak+shadow image > streak), better CC, and access to builds that don't require shield stacking to survive. The only thing sorc has is an extra shield and more burst, though its almost all blockable.

Frankly, its not even close.... Imo, two equally skilled players, the mageblade should win more often than not.

Edit: You realize magika NB can stack two damage sets AND kena and still sustain? Sorc could never do that

Reefo

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=9804

is this viable?

RedFireDisco

Reefo wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=9804

is this viable?

I see some immediate problems. The small increase in damage from 2 swords is negated by the complete lack of ult gen.

I run a destro and the 10% armor penetration, for me is better than two swords, plus I have meteor on tap.

Back bar looks really good, how is your front bar getting such high crit chance?

I would back bar fear and drop blur. Add in inner light for 7% more magicka and more damage.

Your opener Lotus>Surprise>Light weave>Cripple>Incap will never be as good as the stam version, but will still pack a punch, though I can see without mist form you will get hit at melee distance and be in trouble often as heavy armor wearers don't drop easy.

You'll need an inordinate amount of skill to make this work as your light attacks will wet noodle with mag swords and I don't know where you'll get your ultimate from for your incap to work.

Mag blade is probably the hardest class to play right now and dw mag NB is the absolute hardest version of it. Not that I'd want to dishearten you because I think you could still make it work, I just don't think you'll burst kill most players.

At least fire destro can be charged from stealth and can hit really hard from range, keeping you safer and setting up a ranged ult and impale. But if you love taking it to the player and don't want to use stam the way it was designed, it's always possible.

best of luck.

Reefo

RedFireDisco wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=9804

is this viable?

I see some immediate problems. The small increase in damage from 2 swords is negated by the complete lack of ult gen.

I run a destro and the 10% armor penetration, for me is better than two swords, plus I have meteor on tap.

Back bar looks really good, how is your front bar getting such high crit chance?

I would back bar fear and drop blur. Add in inner light for 7% more magicka and more damage.

Your opener Lotus>Surprise>Light weave>Cripple>Incap will never be as good as the stam version, but will still pack a punch, though I can see without mist form you will get hit at melee distance and be in trouble often as heavy armor wearers don't drop easy.

You'll need an inordinate amount of skill to make this work as your light attacks will wet noodle with mag swords and I don't know where you'll get your ultimate from for your incap to work.

Mag blade is probably the hardest class to play right now and dw mag NB is the absolute hardest version of it. Not that I'd want to dishearten you because I think you could still make it work, I just don't think you'll burst kill most players.

At least fire destro can be charged from stealth and can hit really hard from range, keeping you safer and setting up a ranged ult and impale. But if you love taking it to the player and don't want to use stam the way it was designed, it's always possible.

best of luck.

I think magblade has if not the best ult gen in the game, perhaps u right trying to make a magblade version of stamblade, even so it can be done.

Heavy attack + poison injection -> ambush -> incap -> surprise attack = death

Heavy fire destro attack + cripple -> lotus fan -> malefic wreath -> soul harvest concealed weapon = dead

I don't know how to proc troll king with a destro except with swallow soul and refreshing path,

If you have used troll king you know it's a ridiculous set. It can make you run forward momentum over rally is how strong it is.

Sustain from maelstrom does help tho, I don't like the idea of being shut down by wings and defensive posture, that's why not a fan of destro resto

Edit: thief mundus that's why high crit, amber plasm and witchmother is nice mag regen to forgo atronach, major intellect is in the buffs coz the light armor passive 20% regen is bugged and doesn't show

Jbugz97

RedFireDisco wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=9804

is this viable?

I see some immediate problems. The small increase in damage from 2 swords is negated by the complete lack of ult gen.

I run a destro and the 10% armor penetration, for me is better than two swords, plus I have meteor on tap.

Back bar looks really good, how is your front bar getting such high crit chance?

I would back bar fear and drop blur. Add in inner light for 7% more magicka and more damage.

Your opener Lotus>Surprise>Light weave>Cripple>Incap will never be as good as the stam version, but will still pack a punch, though I can see without mist form you will get hit at melee distance and be in trouble often as heavy armor wearers don't drop easy.

You'll need an inordinate amount of skill to make this work as your light attacks will wet noodle with mag swords and I don't know where you'll get your ultimate from for your incap to work.

Mag blade is probably the hardest class to play right now and dw mag NB is the absolute hardest version of it. Not that I'd want to dishearten you because I think you could still make it work, I just don't think you'll burst kill most players.

At least fire destro can be charged from stealth and can hit really hard from range, keeping you safer and setting up a ranged ult and impale. But if you love taking it to the player and don't want to use stam the way it was designed, it's always possible.

best of luck.

i here you about the wings, when i see a magicka DK on my destro - resto magblade i have to quickly get a meteor > spectre combo in to take them out quick, works but not all the time, if you get into a 1vx and theirs a magicka DK good luck take him out quick, But don't think because you go destro resto you are going to get shut down bye a DK when i see one if its a 1v1 i have no problem. the problem is when their in a group take them out quick.

Reefo wrote: »

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It still lacks burst and surviability,
I tried with 5 torugs 4 lich 3 willpower with lich resto back bar. I'm thinking that to make this viable I will need to drop lich for necropotence and use iceheart, and use a destro for the ultimate, thoughts??

i have been using toruq's pack for a long time now will never give it up. the second set changes alot do im always testing every set see what work best with it. right now its spinner or fassallas or necro, but the point is i would use it on back bar as well you get more benefit that way.

Reefo

You mean you have had success with 5k enchaments with cooldown of 1.4sec that is critable?

Jbugz97

Reefo wrote: »

You mean you have had success with 5k enchaments with cooldown of 1.4sec that is critable?

@Reefo
i love it, but i use destro restro with that set,
but their a good video from @JackDaniell streamer he release a nice build video with som footage of pvp at the end using the set and using duel wield and he uses it pretty good.

check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAU8S8Z2X7w

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Mage blades need to time their burst more than anyone I think. They general teater tot on the edge of death and rely on healing ward. But if you can get your bursts combo off you can kill people. They are sketchy at the moment though and I certainly don't think they are in a good place compared to other classes or even stamblades.

Reefo

Jbugz97 wrote: »

Reefo wrote: »

You mean you have had success with 5k enchaments with cooldown of 1.4sec that is critable?

@Reefo
i love it, but i use destro restro with that set,
but their a good video from @JackDaniell streamer he release a nice build video with som footage of pvp at the end using the set and using duel wield and he uses it pretty good.

check it out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAU8S8Z2X7w

lol torugs amber plasm and troll king, amazing!