What's wrong with sorcerers using tank pets?

ESOUser0x00

Was in vWGT and when we lost this guy was complaining about sorcerers using tank pets, I mostly use it for healing but what is wrong with it and what should it be switched up for?

SirAndy

I love playing my pet sorc!

Zanen

The only problem with the clannfear in vet dungeons is it isn't particularly efficient in any role. The heal is expensive and self-only and it doesn't do any damage.

If you're a DD you're better off running familiar (especially in homestead), healer- matriarch.

It's not as though they override taunts or anything. Sometimes they aggro something in the wrong place though and clannfear doesn't do enough damage to clear it and move on.

SaRuZ

As a tank I find it difficult to hold aggro when a sorc pet is present. The pet tends to aggro the boss for some reason. It's not always a terrible thing but good DPS want to melt the boss as fast as possible while also taking care of ads, which means the tank has to keep the boss fixed and not move. Chasing a boss to and fro a large area can be frustrating.

The same frustration as DPS not killing ads and protecting the Healer. For some reason the game is designed with the default aggro being toward the healer. All bosses go for healer, all ads go for healer. Not sure why, maybe intentional?

Tasear

Not a sorcerer tank and using clannfer then you be kicked. As you should not be used by DPS. Clannfer steals taunt as it was meant to be for sorcerer tanks. Sorcerer have critical surge, dark deal, twilight as alternative heals.

Wolfborn

Tasear wrote: »

Not a sorcerer tank and using clannfer then you be kicked. As you should not be used by DPS. Clannfer steals taunt as it was meant to be for sorcerer tanks. Sorcerer have critical surge, dark deal, twilight as alternative heals.

Amen.

Have run into this due to pets being buffed, sorcs now want to bring out there clannfer. As a tank it makes my job harder. one its the pathing the pet can agro other groups as it zips around trying to catch up if we are doing a speed run. most importantly though is with a lot of content, you need to be able to move the boss around while maintaining control with taunt. The pet always gets taunt as it uses it and I have to waste time and resources to reapply taunt only for it to be stolen again the next time the pet uses a taunt.

Dps get slaughted as they are unloading on a boss, expecting me to hold its agro but once the clannfer taunts and gets it, it loses it so easily and the dps get one shotted. Simple really, just dont use it unless the sorcs the tank.

GreatGildersleeve

I use my clannfear all the time in vWGT; only on Kena tho. The self heal has come in handy a couple times and he's even tanked for me while I rezzed the group preventing a wipe (we were goofing off too much ).
No, it's not appropriate for every occasion, and no it doesn't do any damage, but if you can get away with it why not?

DragonBound

Zanen wrote: »

The only problem with the clannfear in vet dungeons is it isn't particularly efficient in any role. The heal is expensive and self-only and it doesn't do any damage.

If you're a DD you're better off running familiar (especially in homestead), healer- matriarch.

It's not as though they override taunts or anything. Sometimes they aggro something in the wrong place though and clannfear doesn't do enough damage to clear it and move on.

They can be good off tanks but with the recent pet buffs they are viable now, but as you said no main taunts to be a main tank, I think f5 or something makes it go passive so you do not have to use it to attack.

brandonv516

My magicka sorc tank build is based on having a familiar present. Therefore pets are just fine in dungeons in my opinion.

disintegr8

I find sorc pets just get in the way in dungeons, they run between me and things I am trying to loot or the target I am aiming for, leading to a miss. Nearly as bad as people who call on their merchant or banker, forgetting to send him away again and then he follows you around all the time.

Molydeus

The familar does savage aoe dps now, and doesn't die all the time like it used to. The matriarch is great for group heals and also doesn't die all the time anymore. Clannfear has no use outside soloing in my opinion.

Pets are a thing now, get used to it. ESO is pushing them so expect to see them more often.

ForsakenSin

ESOUser0x00 wrote: »

Was in vWGT and when we lost this guy was complaining about sorcerers using tank pets, I mostly use it for healing but what is wrong with it and what should it be switched up for?

Actually back in the day we were always using pets in VWGT as pets will go on the main boss and gives time to get out of prison

LOL people complaining and leaving... don't you just love how other people tell you how to play with YOUR character ...

ignore it buddy and play as you wish pets in vet dougnes don't bother me one bit, in trials yhea cos it causes lag

Speaking of trials... i was in a pug group .. and this guy was a tank ...he was a sorc and he was explaining how when he joines with his tank he gets kicked out without people giving him a chance ...

and honestly i was going... hmmm lets see never seen a tank sorc before...

HOLY MOLEY ...


on N HELRA he went in first pulled all of the adds from the steps and from the gate ... ALL OF THEM and i do mean ALL OF THEM and was there for a good 5-6 min without his life moving a centimeter before we caught up i was the second person to arrive and i noticed all of there adds were gone when i walked up the stairs he had ALL of them on him grouped up in a bunch it caused allot of lag but what a sight to see ...respect to that guy.



I am a stam sorc and when i go in with random group and i can see they are low lv and are getting killed i put out my pets as well to take away the pressure of the fight

So moral of my story play as you play don't let others put you down and tell you about your class when they don't play it.
if somebody is complaining about your build ect just ignore it unfortunately you will get allot of people telling how to play just ignore it and enjoy the game

especially in dungeons .. unless as person stated if they are doing the speed run ect but those are done with friends and guilds not a random

zaria

Molydeus wrote: »

The familar does savage aoe dps now, and doesn't die all the time like it used to. The matriarch is great for group heals and also doesn't die all the time anymore. Clannfear has no use outside soloing in my opinion.

Pets are a thing now, get used to it. ESO is pushing them so expect to see them more often.

My take on it too, now I guess its will be same with the warden bear.
Now an warden tank with bear make some sense but for DD and heal I guess its lots of the same issues.

Shad0wfire99

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

DragonBound

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Cool, your choice.

Shad0wfire99

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Cool, your choice.

Yep

ESOUser0x00

Wolfborn wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Not a sorcerer tank and using clannfer then you be kicked. As you should not be used by DPS. Clannfer steals taunt as it was meant to be for sorcerer tanks. Sorcerer have critical surge, dark deal, twilight as alternative heals.

Amen.

Have run into this due to pets being buffed, sorcs now want to bring out there clannfer. As a tank it makes my job harder. one its the pathing the pet can agro other groups as it zips around trying to catch up if we are doing a speed run. most importantly though is with a lot of content, you need to be able to move the boss around while maintaining control with taunt. The pet always gets taunt as it uses it and I have to waste time and resources to reapply taunt only for it to be stolen again the next time the pet uses a taunt.

Dps get slaughted as they are unloading on a boss, expecting me to hold its agro but once the clannfer taunts and gets it, it loses it so easily and the dps get one shotted. Simple really, just dont use it unless the sorcs the tank.

I notice they the ads and sometimes the boss always comes for me and I get slaughtered, is the clannfear the reason why?

The only reason I use it is for the heal because sometimes I get dealt too much dmg and the healer doesn't heal me fast enough.

KochDerDamonen

It's just kindof inappropriate for a damage dealer in group content. Steals taunt, deals low damage, has an okay heal that you could replace with a better pet (twilight) or other things like restoration staff or critical surge.

If your plan is to go in and do everything accounting for weak groupmates, consider trying to solo dungeons. It's sincerely fun

DragonBound

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Cool, your choice.

Yep

Lol well I doubt anyone will notice no offense.

ESOUser0x00

Molydeus wrote: »

The familar does savage aoe dps now, and doesn't die all the time like it used to. The matriarch is great for group heals and also doesn't die all the time anymore. Clannfear has no use outside soloing in my opinion.

Pets are a thing now, get used to it. ESO is pushing them so expect to see them more often.

Yea I got the clannfear mainly for solo originally since I needed a tank, but you are saying clannfear for soloing, matriarch for group?

Shad0wfire99

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

CosmicSoul wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Cool, your choice.

Yep

Lol well I doubt anyone will notice no offense.

I'll notice. I'll notice how I'm missing out on all the lag and stolen aggro from the pets and their owner's "mad deeps." I'll also notice how there isn't someone's Atro standing in my face for entire boss fights.

zaria

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Why? Its simply not designed for most dungeons, clannfer is very nice for tanking in solo play but in an dungeon you have an tank
You don't use an restoration staff for dps either?

Shad0wfire99

zaria wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Why? Its simply not designed for most dungeons, clannfer is very nice for tanking in solo play but in an dungeon you have an tank
You don't use an restoration staff for dps either?

No I don't use a resto for dps. And no, the clanfear isn't designed for a dungeon, but they're there. Also, why do you need a tank for solo play? It does nothing but give you bad habits, and keep you from learning how to keep yourself alive.

AtAfternoon

I'm not sure what people mean when they say the pets "steal taunts", the pets have no taunts whatsoever and the bosses won't go for them unless the tank loses taunt. And I personally prefer the boss going after a pet instead of a player until the tank have aggro again.

Funny enough, several times I've ended up in groups as a healer for vWGT where we've had major problems with Molag Kena because the tank tries to kite her, moving her out of the DD's aoe attacks and her heavy attacks hitting people other than the tank because she's constantly changing that direction she faces.

And several times the tank has either been kicked or left out of frustration so we've tried without a tank. And several times I've ended up with the Twilight getting aggro and being a better tank than the one that left since it won't move and never lose more than 45% of its health per attack, meaning all you have to do is to spamming the twilight heal and maybe put on a shield once the lighting lane passes.

Wolfborn

AtAfternoon wrote: »

I'm not sure what people mean when they say the pets "steal taunts", the pets have no taunts whatsoever and the bosses won't go for them unless the tank loses taunt. And I personally prefer the boss going after a pet instead of a player until the tank have aggro again.

Funny enough, several times I've ended up in groups as a healer for vWGT where we've had major problems with Molag Kena because the tank tries to kite her, moving her out of the DD's aoe attacks and her heavy attacks hitting people other than the tank because she's constantly changing that direction she faces.

And several times the tank has either been kicked or left out of frustration so we've tried without a tank. And several times I've ended up with the Twilight getting aggro and being a better tank than the one that left since it won't move and never lose more than 45% of its health per attack, meaning all you have to do is to spamming the twilight heal and maybe put on a shield once the lighting lane passes.

The clannfer has built in taunt mechanic, read its tool tip. its the tank pet..ie..it taunts. I dont mind the other two pets, the aoe dps one and the one that heals. bottom line, if a sorc is a pet build he benifits with having his pets out. I just dont like the clannfer as it will take taunt which then stops the boss moving where i want him too and then lose taunt and the dps get smashed.

Wolfborn

Just to add. if a sorc ques as a tank, then rock the clannfer, zero issue, but if you que as dps and you bring something to the group that makes my life harder, simply because you want to "play your way", which causes fellow group mates to die or slows the dungeon run...well go back to soloing imo.

zaria

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

Cool, at least I know now that after Homestead drops on console to never use group finder again.

Why? Its simply not designed for most dungeons, clannfer is very nice for tanking in solo play but in an dungeon you have an tank
You don't use an restoration staff for dps either?

No I don't use a resto for dps. And no, the clanfear isn't designed for a dungeon, but they're there. Also, why do you need a tank for solo play? It does nothing but give you bad habits, and keep you from learning how to keep yourself alive.

Don't use it for normal play but its nice against some bosses and in some quest fights.

SydneyGrey

I love my Clannfear.

Being a tank is what he does best. But I don't play PvP or in groups, though. I only play solo.

Zanen

ESOUser0x00 wrote: »

Molydeus wrote: »

The familar does savage aoe dps now, and doesn't die all the time like it used to. The matriarch is great for group heals and also doesn't die all the time anymore. Clannfear has no use outside soloing in my opinion.

Pets are a thing now, get used to it. ESO is pushing them so expect to see them more often.

Yea I got the clannfear mainly for solo originally since I needed a tank, but you are saying clannfear for soloing, matriarch for group?

Personally I'm just running the familiar for everything, it does insane damage now. Surge and ward provide all the health sustain I need to solo dungeons. There are a few fights where I'll use the matriarch, like the illambris twins, where I want more than one thing aggro'd on a pet.

AtAfternoon

Wolfborn wrote: »

AtAfternoon wrote: »

I'm not sure what people mean when they say the pets "steal taunts", the pets have no taunts whatsoever and the bosses won't go for them unless the tank loses taunt. And I personally prefer the boss going after a pet instead of a player until the tank have aggro again.

Funny enough, several times I've ended up in groups as a healer for vWGT where we've had major problems with Molag Kena because the tank tries to kite her, moving her out of the DD's aoe attacks and her heavy attacks hitting people other than the tank because she's constantly changing that direction she faces.

And several times the tank has either been kicked or left out of frustration so we've tried without a tank. And several times I've ended up with the Twilight getting aggro and being a better tank than the one that left since it won't move and never lose more than 45% of its health per attack, meaning all you have to do is to spamming the twilight heal and maybe put on a shield once the lighting lane passes.

The clannfer has built in taunt mechanic, read its tool tip. its the tank pet..ie..it taunts. I dont mind the other two pets, the aoe dps one and the one that heals. bottom line, if a sorc is a pet build he benifits with having his pets out. I just dont like the clannfer as it will take taunt which then stops the boss moving where i want him too and then lose taunt and the dps get smashed.

I can't see anything about a taunt?

SydneyGrey

AtAfternoon wrote: »

I can't see anything about a taunt?

The clannfears taunt automatically.