When will Alliances become relevant in PVP ?

WeylandLabs

All people do is farm ap, no real loyalty. Its kinda odd has this game become all stats ? Whats the point of an alliance and war strategic objectives if people can just hop on the winning side ? So is it stats over strategy ?

I used to feel like this was more strategic than stats, now its becoming more like COD with thier K/D ratio vs winning the game. What do you guys think ?

Rohamad_Ali

There is no real incentive to faction loyalty other then RP . I stayed one faction exclusively for two years and changed last year but with a new account because I am loyal to the degree I wouldn't make a new faction toon on that account . It's my personal preference to be loyal and devote time to only one faction for a couple years . I don't expect others to follow my personal RP in the war .

I do wish there were more incentives to be faction loyal . I'm not sure what incentives could be added but I'm open to hearing other suggestions . We all need AP to get better abilities and gear but it would be nice if there was just something else to drive Us .

Kram8ion

The ap rewards gain may help inject some alliance pride in the short term but new content would be better or even shuffling stuff around like changing the emperor requirements or siege crafting, individual keep synergies Maybe
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thankyourat

The thing is that strategy will never beat numbers in this game. As long as being in a huge group is such a huge advantage there's no reason for smaller groups to play objective base. It's a losing unrewarding battle

geonsocal

one tamriel...the war is over - word just hasn't entirely reached throughout cyrodiil...

WeylandLabs

As i understand having different characters in different factions is ok. But let's be honest its really insane that you can fight in 1 campaign on all 3 factions. Whats the point of that ? I feel they should at least lock ur account to that campaign and if you want to change pay the AP cost to switch.

You can still get on a different character and rome around one tamrial. But you can only go that campagin on that character faction locking campaigns should be a thing. And different campaigns on different characters.

Plus there is no reason to have all 8 characters in a campaign because thier not fighting for anything ?

Whats the meaning of pvp if thier not pvping ?

Any thoughts please comment ?

NoFlash

You can only play ring around the Rosie so long until you get bored. We will see how big of a hit or miss battle grounds is.

Turelus

geonsocal wrote: »

one tamriel...the war is over - word just hasn't entirely reached throughout cyrodiil...

That's weird, because the flag guards always seem to know about my latest escapades saving people...

Sandman929

There needs to be more incentive for objective based gameplay in Cyrodiil. There needs to be more objectives on the outer rim of the map, and scattered around, that contribute to the campaign in a meaningful way to break up the Emp keep zerging.
I prefer objective oriented gameplay, personally, but a lot of gamers don't. Cyrodiil is less about playing the map, and more about playing for ego and AP.
I've already passed out a few times holding my breath waiting for ZOS to revamp PvP.

Moglijuana

I wish there was more to Cyrodiil than farming as well =/ (even though my guild farms the crap out of people lol). I wish they added things like the Old AV from Wow where you would have to collect resources to summon a Raid Boss that would push objectives for you. That was dope.

Sandman929

Moglijuana wrote: »

I wish there was more to Cyrodiil than farming as well =/ (even though my guild farms the crap out of people lol). I wish they added things like the Old AV from Wow where you would have to collect resources to summon a Raid Boss that would push objectives for you. That was dope.

Never experienced that, but that sounds cool. A few Titans roaming in random places in Cyrodiil (preferably away from the Emp keeps) would be interesting. It wouldn't do much in the way of incentivizing objective play unless it provided some buffs for killing it, but it might spread out some people.

geonsocal

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

Plus there is no reason to have all 8 characters in a campaign because their not fighting for anything ?

Whats the meaning of pvp if thier not pvping ?

Any thoughts please comment ?

yea!!! finally a posting which i am most certainly qualified to respond to

howdy @Shokasegambit1 ...okay, soooooo - i in fact do have all 8 of my characters (it'll be 10 once vvardenfall rolls out) in one map: ps4/na/scourge...

i'm sure by now you've read all the standard replies of why people do this, which in many cases boils down to: the other maps on my platform are either dead or very unbalanced...which is a legit point...i've been stuck in maps where it would take 15 to 20 minutes just to find where the fight is at; or, i've played on maps where our side was constantly being pvdoored (which definitely gets discouraging after a while, plus it would take forever to make it to imperial city)...

i would just add that for myself - having all 8 characters in the same map guarantees me a steady payout of between around 100 to 120k at the end of each campaign (coin payouts plus 10 or 15 purple items)...not a tremendous amount of coin for many...however, because i do spend so much time in cyrodiil - that, along with my trading guild provides me with a steady game income...cuz, ya know what - gearing up for pvp is expensive

looking at it from a less practical point of view...i find it easy to rp each character within each alliance...my blue guys have distinct feelings towards the other two alliances...it's the same for the characters in the other alliances...

after looking at the same map for many months from the perspective of that particular character - it's easy to compartmentalize the war...man, my blue guys hate EP, my yellow and red guys both have serious grudges against the daggerfall covenant...

i spend way too much time in cyrodiil...but, it's changing - so many players now have characters on each side that many times it gets really goofy wherein all three alliances will randomly get together and have little parties - crazy to see...

personally, i don't know what the answer is to get people more "invested" into the alliance war...i do know though - i like fighting/pvping, and, i personally don't need to belong to just one alliance to want to kill and pour oil on every single player whom is not rocking the same color banner as myself...

Edit: oh, the whole thing about "jumping" to the winning side - quite the contrary...i actually enjoy defending mostly (hate riding my mount endlessly to go find battles, plus, currently much more AP for defending - on console at least)...

normally i'll choose a character to play without regard for their particular alliance - i'll play that character in cyrodiil just becasue i want to play that particular character at the moment...

also, i like having everyone on the same map cuz it gives me an opportunity to get to know folks from different angles: standing over their dead body and dancing on them one day, rezzing them the next

KisoValley

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

As i understand having different characters in different factions is ok. But let's be honest its really insane that you can fight in 1 campaign on all 3 factions. Whats the point of that ? I feel they should at least lock ur account to that campaign and if you want to change pay the AP cost to switch.

You can still get on a different character and rome around one tamrial. But you can only go that campagin on that character faction locking campaigns should be a thing. And different campaigns on different characters.

Plus there is no reason to have all 8 characters in a campaign because thier not fighting for anything ?

Whats the meaning of pvp if thier not pvping ?

Any thoughts please comment ?

I PvP on all the characters in my signature. All 3 alliances.

WeylandLabs

Im pretty sure some are not understanding my point. I will explain....

Some people just like to have 1 alliance, what is war without loyalty. We win together and we lose together.

I dont know how farming AP became a thing AP. I knew it existed, but never seen it to this point. I feel like my ideas above are valid and give Cryodiil meaning. For now its fillied with people just farming AP and using bugged and broken stuff to get it, kind of a joke.

Pvp is not pvp anymore... smh

FriedEggSandwich

I genuinely feel loyal to AD but that doesn't help me to feel proud when they dominate a map. I like to pvp against the odds, not for any sense of glory but just so I can feel challenged. Spamming executes into an enemy zerg from a friendly zerg is such a snoozefest whether you're doing it for the good of your faction or not. People swap factions to find a challenge or to pvp with friends and that's fine with me.

Belicourt

I think it may promote the spread of pvp population, comradradrie/loyalty and give cyrodil more reward if each keep rewarded a lordship the the most recent emperor crowned allaince. This could be done by whoever has the most killing blows from the last battle at that keep before the crowning of emp. Gives a temporary title etx... the resources can give a lesser title... im not sure of the reward system for those lords but you could do so much with it. Like you earn 1000gold an hr while in cyrodiil etc. lesser buffs than emp. Bigger ticks defendeng your keep you are the lord of etc. i think it would be awsome. Maybe you get a temporary symbol system next to your name whn seen on the battlefield for all royalty. Other players have a bit higher incentive to kill you so they can loot you for gold or extra ap. I really like this idea...