Magblade damage help

WacArnold

So I'm trying to be a ganker I'm wearing 5 spinners and 5 jullianos light armor trying to get mass damage and just cut people down before they can buff up. What is really happening is most people just instantly heal up buff up and I do not do anymore damage, how can I get enough to damage to overpower all the heals and shields people are using? I have no defence using destroy and two hand, my thought was I could start off hitting some destro and swallow soul, then lotus fan in aND soul harvest conceal impale, this however is not working, I also use growth dark for extra damage when attacking with 2 hand. Any ideas how I could add more damage to counter mass heals and shields? Or anything that would help me in any way.

Berenhir

Switch to stamina.

icontrive

Switch juli for alchemist so you can get really high spell damage. Be sure to use magelight right before you jump in for the empowerment passive. Mageblade isn't as good as stam blade for ganking but it can be done. Just have to time your burst right.

Aedaryl

You can't gank decent player in no zerg situation, you are not stamina heavy armor, you are not god, sorry

You need grim focus for real burst, but ganking with 4 light attacks is not... ganking

WacArnold

So pretty much this is not a viable build? Because I have no defence right now and if I can't gank there is no point since people can just run over me because I am insanely squishy in an actual fight.

Tryxus

Ganking on MagBlade can work

You'll need Clever Alchemist for the Spell Damage buff (use a Major Sorcery pot as well) and the Elegant set. Use 1 pc Kena as well for a bit of extra damage. Your main weapon should be a Fire Staff

Use the Shadow Mundus stone

Start off with a Merciless Resolve buff, then Cloak with Shadowy Disguise for the guaranteed crit. Quick Magelight, Cloak, then charge up your Heavy Fire Attack. I can get like 16-17k Heavy Attacks with this setup. Follow it up with Lotus Fan and Soul Harvest for the kill. Oh, and have Concealed Weapon on your bar for the sneak speed, and a Siphoning skill for a Max Magicka buff

Olen_Mikko

Current PvP Meta won't allow magblades to gank. Even stamblades may need to use pure cancer sets like viper + widowmaker + selene to successfully bring down healthplars / magdks

Nutshotz

You can use clever and elegant with skoria/Kena + kragh [ I know I spelt it wrong. I'm on my phone] / or 2 piece Kena / 2 piece slime craw.

Those are what I use for my ganker atm. Don't forget to put at minimum 60 points into staff in blue CP tree.

I'd recommend getting a feel of the build. It's a Lil tricky at 1st cuz your always doing heavy attacks.

You can use radiant magelight for the 12m stealth detect and 50% dmg reduction if im not mistaken or inner light for 6m and the 5% which usually equals out to 2k magicka. I use inner magelight.

My build is elegant with clever and 2 piece skoria and I do swap out skoria for slime craw cuz of the 8% dmg on your attacks and that Grim focus is clunky in lag.

So now you know how magblade can 2 shot players as well. Happy ganking.

Knootewoot

I use kragnetac's hope and spinner, 1 kena and 1 illabris (for the looks) or 2 grothgar

Why no Alchemist? To much worrying about when to drink potion and switching bar after drink. I am lazy. But I do have the set and works well. But switching around with for example krag's and willpower and 2 swords of torug and 1 kena and illabris I didn't see that much difference in damage while drinking a potion with alchemist. But I play on non-CP so that might be the problem.

But heavy armor dudes with full impenetrable you cannot gank as a magblade. Light armor and medium you can mostly slice.

Currently I use 5 krag's hope, 5 spinner and 2 grothgar. Works well for me in most cases. For PvE I switch to 5 julianos and mothers sorrow though.

Edit: I do dual wield swords though. I do not like staffs. I try it sometimes but it's just not me. But above build for fire staff heavy attacks is very powerfull.

Nutshotz

There is a set out there specifically for pure ganking on magblades. I'd have to find the set again that I was using and wow that set was fun. Just raw dmg and survivability

Knootewoot

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

There is a set out there specifically for pure ganking on magblades. I'd have to find the set again that I was using and wow that set was fun. Just raw dmg and survivability

If you find out which set, don't forget to mention in here

As of current the latest "balance" patch made magblade almost extinct is my guess.

I really wish there where separate class forums so we could comfort each other.

thankyourat

Knootewoot wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

There is a set out there specifically for pure ganking on magblades. I'd have to find the set again that I was using and wow that set was fun. Just raw dmg and survivability

If you find out which set, don't forget to mention in here

As of current the latest "balance" patch made magblade almost extinct is my guess.

I really wish there where separate class forums so we could comfort each other.

5 alchemist, 5 elegant, 1 Maelstrom staff or 1 Kena with the shadow mundus is probably the most effective gank build around. I had a magblade build that's dual wield that I play when I need a break from destro/resto which is 5 alchemist, 5 necroprentence, 2 engine guardian it's more of a 1vX build but it can gank soft targets. If you switch out engine guardian for 1 infernal guardian, 1 gratdar to pump up the damage even more. Use the shadow mundus for this build as well

Tryxus

Knootewoot wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

There is a set out there specifically for pure ganking on magblades. I'd have to find the set again that I was using and wow that set was fun. Just raw dmg and survivability

If you find out which set, don't forget to mention in here

As of current the latest "balance" patch made magblade almost extinct is my guess.

I really wish there where separate class forums so we could comfort each other.

Prob Stygian?

Anyways, MagBladed are far from extinct. The only actual nerf we got was the cost increase to Soul Harvest, which no longer has a place on my bars . The increase to Strife is neglectable

But with the changes to Destro Staves as well as the range increase to Impale and Assassin's Will proc hitting harder, MagBlades can still be annoying and strong in PvP

Knootewoot

Tryxus wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

There is a set out there specifically for pure ganking on magblades. I'd have to find the set again that I was using and wow that set was fun. Just raw dmg and survivability

If you find out which set, don't forget to mention in here

As of current the latest "balance" patch made magblade almost extinct is my guess.

I really wish there where separate class forums so we could comfort each other.

Prob Stygian?

Anyways, MagBladed are far from extinct. The only actual nerf we got was the cost increase to Soul Harvest, which no longer has a place on my bars . The increase to Strife is neglectable

But with the changes to Destro Staves as well as the range increase to Impale and Assassin's Will proc hitting harder, MagBlades can still be annoying and strong in PvP

I am not really into staves, but I prefer dual wield. Why do other players prefer staff? Does it hit harder with heavy attacks or more crit?

Tryxus

Knootewoot wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

PeaNutShotz wrote: »

There is a set out there specifically for pure ganking on magblades. I'd have to find the set again that I was using and wow that set was fun. Just raw dmg and survivability

If you find out which set, don't forget to mention in here

As of current the latest "balance" patch made magblade almost extinct is my guess.

I really wish there where separate class forums so we could comfort each other.

Prob Stygian?

Anyways, MagBladed are far from extinct. The only actual nerf we got was the cost increase to Soul Harvest, which no longer has a place on my bars . The increase to Strife is neglectable

But with the changes to Destro Staves as well as the range increase to Impale and Assassin's Will proc hitting harder, MagBlades can still be annoying and strong in PvP

I am not really into staves, but I prefer dual wield. Why do other players prefer staff? Does it hit harder with heavy attacks or more crit?

Other than making it easier to proc the Spectral Bow, Destro staves give you access to a lot of useful skills like Clench, the now unreflectable Pulse and the new Ele Ring as well as useful passives like the extra 8% single target damage from Fire Staves

And for ganking, you do need that Fire Staff

ScruffyWhiskers

Tryxus wrote: »

Start off with a Merciless Resolve buff, then Cloak with Shadowy Disguise for the guaranteed crit. Quick Magelight, Cloak, then charge up your Heavy Fire Attack. I can get like 16-17k Heavy Attacks with this setup.

Problem is that the 3.0 second window for shadowy disguise is tough to hit unless you are right on top of the target since flight time is included and not just release and even then it's iffy. The Destro passive change means charge time is even longer now. Good luck with those shadowy disguise crits.

If you don't want to use a staff but prefer dual wield melee magicka on the nightblade you are SOL unless you want to harvest potatoes. You can still have a good time skirmishing.

Bazeric

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

If you don't want to use a staff but prefer dual wield melee magicka on the nightblade you are SOL unless you want to harvest potatoes.

Hey, people gotta eat, right?

*goes in a corner and huddles into fetal position muttering "3.5k spell dmg, 44k magicka, 13k spell pen, 12k tool tips..... but, but barely 6k crits!!!.... why... ~sob~ why...."*

Knootewoot

Bazeric wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

If you don't want to use a staff but prefer dual wield melee magicka on the nightblade you are SOL unless you want to harvest potatoes.

Hey, people gotta eat, right?

*goes in a corner and huddles into fetal position muttering "3.5k spell dmg, 44k magicka, 13k spell pen, 12k tool tips..... but, but barely 6k crits!!!.... why... ~sob~ why...."*

Thats how i feel. Guess i go staff and see how it goes. I loved trolling with clench throwing people of keep walls so maybe ill stick to that

ScruffyWhiskers

I've had some great times but I think Scruffy is moving on. I've hardly been playing since One Tamriel which is painful since I stupidly got enthusiastic at the time thinking I would get my old stygian back and ponied up for a 6 month ESO plus. Oh well.

I made Alliance Rank 36 last month and haven't had the will to come back. I kept hoping that they would make some changes but I knew having seen every update since late beta that what you get the first patch notes is what you are going to get in 4 weeks unless it's some issue that gets a lot of screaming traction on the forums/reddit/youtubers....and those are few and far between. I'll keep an eye out for the next 4 months and see if they try and fix melee magicka nb but I can't play the way it is. It's been tough since TG/DB but now it's simply unplayable and frankly unenjoyable.

At least I'll always have those 1.5 memories.

icontrive

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

I've had some great times but I think Scruffy is moving on. I've hardly been playing since One Tamriel which is painful since I stupidly got enthusiastic at the time thinking I would get my old stygian back and ponied up for a 6 month ESO plus. Oh well.

I made Alliance Rank 36 last month and haven't had the will to come back. I kept hoping that they would make some changes but I knew having seen every update since late beta that what you get the first patch notes is what you are going to get in 4 weeks unless it's some issue that gets a lot of screaming traction on the forums/reddit/youtubers....and those are few and far between. I'll keep an eye out for the next 4 months and see if they try and fix melee magicka nb but I can't play the way it is. It's been tough since TG/DB but now it's simply unplayable and frankly unenjoyable.

At least I'll always have those 1.5 memories.

I feel the same way. Melee magblade was my favorite play style and now to be competitive you have to play staff. Maybe one day they can return to their former glory...

Bazeric

Knootewoot wrote: »

Bazeric wrote: »

ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

If you don't want to use a staff but prefer dual wield melee magicka on the nightblade you are SOL unless you want to harvest potatoes.

Hey, people gotta eat, right?

*goes in a corner and huddles into fetal position muttering "3.5k spell dmg, 44k magicka, 13k spell pen, 12k tool tips..... but, but barely 6k crits!!!.... why... ~sob~ why...."*

Thats how i feel. Guess i go staff and see how it goes. I loved trolling with clench throwing people of keep walls so maybe ill stick to that

Haha, guess we all started as a staffblade at some point. I remember back when, before CP when you could wear-and-tear targets... mNB was great for that. I remember trolling a lot, I'd just randomly cripple/fear/clenching people and then disappear. Unfortunately, the way PVP evolved I started to feel more like a 2nd class sorc, and now groups are so large/balled up that it's hard to focus a target with ranged skills.

Anyway, to bring it back to the subject of damage, it really is about stacking a combo (preferably to a CC so they can't just heal up), and I feel that staff heavies are easy to pair with other skills. My melee combos just aren't as fluid as staff or stam combos. (can't figure out why, conceal just feels different from Surprise, dang it... oh and the lag getting worst doesn't help)

Also... I used to like to just drift wherever I wanted to alone, but lately I've been pairing up and even some 4 man stuff, and it helps distract me from all the rage I am feeling. I know it isn't ideal, we wanted to be the lone terror that would strike fear into unsuspecting victims hearts, but for now it helps me keep some sanity.