No Proc StamDK Life

AverageJo3Gam3r

Anyone else out there struggle with their StamDK in pvp? I refuse to use cheesy proc sets, good opponents know how to avoid WB, and LA-ransack-bash is super difficult to pull off on console (for me, anyways). Every time I play my StamDK, I feel like I have less damage and healing than my mDK and end up logging out in frustration. The StamDK is my favorite PvE class, but I cannot get anything to work in PvP. It's sad when I feel like my mDK is more powerful than my StamDK.

Those that say StamDK are good in pvp must play a different game, lol. What am I missing?!?!?

FloppyTouch

Skill

Mayrael

Its something like muscle memory. You need play with this toon despite it gets wrecked. For me it took me about a week to adjust my game style to stam blade after switching from magplar. Each toon has its own uniqe dynamic and you need to find it. You cant play your stamDK like you play your magDK. These are two totaly different toons. You may think you know it but, PvE is also totaly different than PvP so in general rotations, tactics and dynamic will be different. In PvE.you can focus on DPS, knowing you can recover without problems, while in PvP you need to be focused on both aspects at the same time, you need to predict what you can expect from your enemy as he can kill you in a blink of an eye. So there is no other way than just keep playing your stamDK in PvP, thinking what you could do better after each fight (no matter if you won or lost) and what you can change in your build to optimize it even better for your playstyle. NEVER think that your build is perfect, NEVER think that your skill is perfect, because when you do you already lost as your oponents are constantly improving.

Adenoma

I would struggle without being able to bash reliably like on console. It really sucks that it considers it a block and cuts regen. I used to run 2h on stamDK, but realized dizzying swing is impossible to land on good players.

Valencer

Dizzying Swing is kind of useless in the current tank meta so stam DKs lack any kind of reliable burst. Most stam DKs use proc sets to compensate for that weakness at the moment.

Chilla_Deluxe

I use 2h/bow stam dk pvp and kill pretty easily (unless their tank builds) if you get into a fight vs a good player fight will last long it really depends. Btw dizzying swing isnt hard to land on good players, its all about the skeeelz.

Chilla_Deluxe

Adenoma wrote: »

I would struggle without being able to bash reliably like on console. It really sucks that it considers it a block and cuts regen. I used to run 2h on stamDK, but realized dizzying swing is impossible to land on good players.

Timing and speed.

KingKalbo

You aint landing dizzying swing on console unless you cc first; but that negates having dizzying swing in the 1st place dont it?.... oppents only need to walk away at an angle..there goes your effort

FloppyTouch

It is hard to land ppl block it or walk through you I like to kite around them at a good distance you don't need to be in there face for the skill to go off it has a good range but when that baby hits follow up with the burst and it GG

AverageJo3Gam3r

KingKalbo wrote: »

You aint landing dizzying swing on console unless you cc first; but that negates having dizzying swing in the 1st place dont it?.... oppents only need to walk away at an angle..there goes your effort

This has been my experience. I can run fossilize with the WB morph to empower a leap into execute. But that severely limits my bar space. Stampede, execute, WB, rally, fossilize leaves no room for DoTs to apply additional pressure.

Brutusmax1mus

I run dw/snb. Igneous shields plus blood thirst is great with some Cp in both healing trees. Keep your stuns and dots up and you'll be OK. It's nice bring able to igneous, vigor, rev bash, and blood thirst pressure to save yourself instead of ign, vigor, rally. The first gets you applying pressure a lot quicker and adds a stun and healing debuff

AverageJo3Gam3r

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I run dw/snb. Igneous shields plus blood thirst is great with some Cp in both healing trees. Keep your stuns and dots up and you'll be OK. It's nice bring able to igneous, vigor, rev bash, and blood thirst pressure to save yourself instead of ign, vigor, rally. The first gets you applying pressure a lot quicker and adds a stun and healing debuff

@Brutusmax1mus how do you get major brutality? Flying blade?

Rohaus

Indeed... life of a Stam DK can be rough if you are trying to finish people off the good old fashioned way... meaning no proc monster helm sets.

I have been experimenting with dual wield and running Molten Armaments... heavy attacks can hit so friggen hard with Molten Armaments. Have to run with Fossilize in order to land hits... flying blade to keep them slowed... with proper animation cancel, you can cut heavy attack of dual wield to 900ms. Not too bad and quicker than a WB. Plus you get the damage increase from stunning with fossilize.

Still though... without a proc helm set... you have to time your burst properly with Dawnbreaker.

Sword and board you have your defense and a gap closer.

Toc de Malsvi

Use a bow

Rohaus

Bow feels dirty on a Stam DK... DK passive for additional damage blocked works so well with sword and board...

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Toc de Malsvi I've tried 5 sword singer in front, 5 marksman on back, but felt the damage on both bars was low.

Toc de Malsvi

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

@Toc de Malsvi I've tried 5 sword singer in front, 5 marksman on back, but felt the damage on both bars was low.

Marksman, although it offers good sustain, is really only good if you are focusing on bow attacks.

I would try and pair Sword Singer with Bone Pirates Tatters, or Sheer Venom if you are using Poison Injection. But really Sword Singer+agil+Velidreth should be pretty solid.

Brutusmax1mus

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I run dw/snb. Igneous shields plus blood thirst is great with some Cp in both healing trees. Keep your stuns and dots up and you'll be OK. It's nice bring able to igneous, vigor, rev bash, and blood thirst pressure to save yourself instead of ign, vigor, rally. The first gets you applying pressure a lot quicker and adds a stun and healing debuff

@Brutusmax1mus how do you get major brutality? Flying blade?

Igneous weapons

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Toc de Malsvi I keep on trying to figure out how to make one pirate work but health is too low without food.

Brrrofski

I just recently rediscovered how good Stam dk is in PvP. It was my first character but been used a trials tank for god knows how long. Ditched that and gone back to PvP on him. Two hander and bow (although no abilities) is my favourite way to play it. Get people to chase around things, trap down, heavy attack into noxious and Dawn breaker then execute.

I did try two bloodspawn for a bit, but veli is almost a must against heavy armor Templars, which on Xbox EU, a lot of AD seem to be. So you are kinda forced into it.

Enslaved

Chilla_Deluxe wrote: »

I use 2h/bow stam dk pvp and kill pretty easily (unless their tank builds) if you get into a fight vs a good player fight will last long it really depends. Btw dizzying swing isnt hard to land on good players, its all about the skeeelz.

I use s&b/bow with tremorscale/viper/vicecannon of venom. Last one I swap for marksman when we deffend keeps, and also go for one piece kena in these situations. Since I am in medium armor, without S&B I would be a sad sitting duck for any NB or sorc just to consume.

Adenoma

@Chilla_Deluxe , I'm confident enough on my magDK to say that if you want to try to dizzying swing me, go ahead. I'm gonna block the CC, hit you with shattering rocks, cast talons, and walk behind you.

Even without proc sets, I think sword and board has significantly better DPS than 2h because of its reliability against both good and bad players. Dizzying swing is only good dps if it connects.

Adenoma

And when I walk behind you, just cast vigor to out heal my limp noodle slaps.

dmar613

here are some builds i run, it goes. 5 alchemist 5 hulk 2 piece blood spawn or velidreth... 2 hand hulk, destro staff alchemist... destro ult on stam build *40 points in elemental. or 5 hulk 5 alchimist run 2 hand and dual wield, 5 piece hulk both bars and just alchemist on dual wield.. hardest take flight on a player in pvp was 25 k. and with the destro ult build, it can ticks upwards of 7k on players. another build can be 5 viper 5 black rose 2 tremor using sword and board, or 5 hulk 5 black rose sword and board etc dual wield and sword and board. im sure you can add your own spice and run how you prefer....

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