Julianos or Spinner's

EdgarLecter

Which set is better to combine with lich set on pvp. I've heard that spinner's is useless on other sorcs or medium armors. As a magsorc i cannot decide.

Izaki

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

Lexxypwns

I'd say spinners is better but as the poster above me said, bsw is the way to go

EdgarLecter

Thank you for the answers. I did not know about bsw set. Im not a big fan of proc sets but ill definately try this.

Biro123

Depends if you can get sharpened spinners weapons.

If you can't - then really, the 5-piece spinners bonus is just a substitute for not having sharpened in the weapon.. If, on the other hand, you switch to a crafted set including sharpened weapons - well then you'll still have around the same penetration but now also have a 5-piece set bonus that you didn't have before.

Mayrael

I didnt tried to run Julianos on my mag sorc, and spinners? As others said, its pretty useless against mag sorcs (shields=no ressist to penetrate) but all the rest... On my 5 light/2heavy setup I have arround 12-13k spell ressist unbuffed, buffed its arround 18k, if you are breton templar or dk, you get another 5k even in light/medium armor so its far from being useless (dont forget that 2-4 bonuses of spinner are better than julianos). Also ive tried 5HA/2LA setup and spinner works great there as you still can have over 12k penetration while getting all heavy armor benefits. Matter of personal preferences how to use it but IMHO spinner is better.

Derra

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

Izaki

Derra wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else. That's not counting all the other runs here and there for that fire and lightning sharpened bsw staff. I need it for Trials too, as the sharpened vMA inferno staff still hasn't dropped for me in 6 months of doing the arena, so I'm adapting my mag DK and mag Sorc builds for it.

I mean Burning Spellweave is really the only reason why I still use a destro staff on my sorc sometimes. You get pretty much the same spell damage as with DW (but lose like 4k magicka) so the burst doesn't really suffer and you get access to the almighty destro ultimate.

Bottom line is: I think Spinner is overrated and that 12k penetration from Light Armor passives and a sharpened weapon, is enough for most opponents. In a group there's always someone to provide the Major Breach buff for another 5.2k penetration, and at that point, its more than enough against any build in Cyrodiil. So Spinner to me has always been an absolute waste of money, especially with the prices on Xbox (1mil for an Inferno staff wtf?). Julianos performs just as well against most targets, while being superior against people using damage shields or medium armor. Julianos also allows you to make better use of the Shadow mundus stone, which helps your burst considerably. But Burning Spellweave + Shadow mundus and a substantial amount of max magicka (45k+) is just THE strongest spec for any magicka build out there IMHO.

Takes-No-Prisoner

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else.

^^^ I know that feel. I wanna get BSW for my MagDK, and I already haven't had any luck getting a 1h Viper Sharpened weapon.

Got my 1h Spinner Weapon for my MagTemplar this weekend, so there is some hope I guess.

Ishammael

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else.

I have done about 100 runs now.
No staff.

EdgarLecter

Guys as I found grinding bsw a real pain in the ass, I went with 5 Lich and 5 Spinner's with a random sharpened staff. I'll skip my 2 piece engine guardian as trying to get that damn shoulder piece was a pain in the ass too. I'm happy with my lazy build. Thanks for all the answers.

Sanct16

You can also try Trainee. You get around 3k Magicka from the 5p bonus and also gives you nice health + stamina aswell which shouldn't be underestimated. Damage wise it equals 230 Spell Damage but also gives you bigger shields.

Xsorus

5 spinners/5 lich/2 pirates is what I'm running... works pretty good for me

schwarzman1

5spinner, 5 elegant,1kena works well for me

Brrrofski

I would happily buy a sharpened spinners staff, shame I can't get a lich resto. After 100+ runs (a lot solo on normal if Guilford weren't on) I gave up. So now run spinners, seducer and 1 molag Kena.

Derra

Ishammael wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else.

I have done about 100 runs now.
No staff.

Took me well over 300 runs (mostly duo).

Biro123

surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the

Brrrofski wrote: »

I would happily buy a sharpened spinners staff, shame I can't get a lich resto. After 100+ runs (a lot solo on normal if Guilford weren't on) I gave up. So now run spinners, seducer and 1 molag Kena.

Man, that was one of the first things that dropped for me.. I wasn't even looking for it at the time. Sometimes it takes posts like this to realise how lucky I was.

On the other hand, I've given up farming sharpened spinners swords (after not even seeing a single sword of any trait drop - and haven't had any luck yet with willpower swords either (too poor to buy them)

Ishammael

Derra wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else.

I have done about 100 runs now.
No staff.

Took me well over 300 runs (mostly duo).

I am about to give up, honestly.
Would rather play the game than grind bosses and chests.

Derra

Ishammael wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else.

I have done about 100 runs now.
No staff.

Took me well over 300 runs (mostly duo).

I am about to give up, honestly.
Would rather play the game than grind bosses and chests.

I´m a total nutcake and so far farmed treasurehunter, bsw, rattlecage and two lich resto staves. Wasn´t fun. In the end i´m still using bsw which i got first.

Don´t give up. It´s a nice staff.

Malamar1229

maybe if we cry enough we can get dungeon loot changed to BOE

EdgarLecter

Malamar1229 wrote: »

maybe if we cry enough we can get dungeon loot changed to BOE

I see no reason why it shouldn't be. Seriously though what's the reason behind it being bound to group?

Minalan

I was lucky enough to be in groups in vCOH1 that were looking for other loot sets. So they handed me all of their Lich loot and illambris helms.

One dude was like. "You want this defending Lich staff? I got it from the chest."

I couldn't have been happier that moment. The item I wanted with the trait I needed (it's really good on the buff bar for a sorc).

Merlin13KAGL

EdgarLecter wrote: »

Malamar1229 wrote: »

maybe if we cry enough we can get dungeon loot changed to BOE

I see no reason why it shouldn't be. Seriously though what's the reason behind it being bound to group?

Two reasons: First, requires you to be able to complete the dungeon to obtain the gear, not just buy it at local guild vendor (adds some level of value that way.)

Second, sucks up your inventory space by being bound, creating demand for the storage space they'll no doubt eventually offer in the crown store, some time after housing comes out.

Be grateful, it used to be bound on character - at one time, there was not sharing of gear, even among your own group.

Little sucked worse than seeing an alternate role get the perfect piece they were never, ever going to use.

Minalan

Julianos. It pushes crit to 55% or so on a PVP sorc running mage light and crystal frags (major and minor prophesy buffs)

Full impen is what, 50% crit reduction? If you run shadow and some elfborn, every crit is getting 25-35% above the 50% base. Worst case, you crit someone for 30% or so more damage. Best case? 80% or more. Every other shot crits.

My staff build was Julianos/Lich/Infernal guardian and it's amazing. The 300 damage works fine against shield sorcs, and once they're down the sorc explodes in one crit shot if they don't have a ton of impen on (hint: they do not).

Plus. You crit self heals constantly which is awesome. Power surge suddenly becomes a reliable source of health.

Anyways try it. A Julianos set is cheap. See which one does better for YOU.

Detector

Spinner's set forever!

Lexxypwns

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

It depends. If you have money to waste go for Spinner, if you don't go for Julianos

Seriously though, I'd say Burning Spellweave. It just surpasses both of them by a mile. The downtime isn't an issue and the damn thing procs almost on every other Force Pulse.

That is if you're using a staff though. For dual wield, you have much more better options

This ^

Problem is getting a bsw fire staff (if you want to run the oh so popular lich5 + monster2 + spinner/jul/bsw5.
It´s an aweful grind if you´re unlucky.

The dmg difference between spinner and julianos is pretty neglible sadly and if you don´t build for crit julianos is not a good option at all.
On shielded targets julianos offers 170 extra spelldmg over spinner while spinner has an extra 967 magica. This results in julianos effectively providing ~ 90 spelldmg worth of extra dmg over spinners on shielded targets. In my opinion it´s not worth it (sadly).

I almost threw out my controller after farming that damn staff. Around 6 hours worth over 2 days and doing nothing else. That's not counting all the other runs here and there for that fire and lightning sharpened bsw staff. I need it for Trials too, as the sharpened vMA inferno staff still hasn't dropped for me in 6 months of doing the arena, so I'm adapting my mag DK and mag Sorc builds for it.

I mean Burning Spellweave is really the only reason why I still use a destro staff on my sorc sometimes. You get pretty much the same spell damage as with DW (but lose like 4k magicka) so the burst doesn't really suffer and you get access to the almighty destro ultimate.

Bottom line is: I think Spinner is overrated and that 12k penetration from Light Armor passives and a sharpened weapon, is enough for most opponents. In a group there's always someone to provide the Major Breach buff for another 5.2k penetration, and at that point, its more than enough against any build in Cyrodiil. So Spinner to me has always been an absolute waste of money, especially with the prices on Xbox (1mil for an Inferno staff wtf?). Julianos performs just as well against most targets, while being superior against people using damage shields or medium armor. Julianos also allows you to make better use of the Shadow mundus stone, which helps your burst considerably. But Burning Spellweave + Shadow mundus and a substantial amount of max magicka (45k+) is just THE strongest spec for any magicka build out there IMHO.

For pvp, I'm not sure how you're running enough crit to justify the shadow stone over thief for magika builds, can you enlighten us?

kaithuzar

I run with the thief stone b/c otherwise I have 45% crit, with thief I have 55% crit, personally I feel like 55% crit is the minimum; however it does matter how many points you put into cp tree for inc crit dmg.

I run julianos, but I run it in heavy armor. I currently run it over rattlecage b/c I'm a nb with sap essence to give me the buff. Also, heals can crit using juli.

If I was running light armor it would be 5 necropotence but idk what I would make the other set? juli? spellweave? not 100% sure at this time because I would only run gold necro, which I unfortunately don't have.

I'm not really great at 1vx'ing, but light armor increases the difficulty immensely for me, so I use heavy & typically do ok.

People keep forgetting that you don't/can't crit on shields, this makes it even more difficult when balancing out your cp.
How many pts do I put in ele dmg?
How many pts into inc crit dmg?
How many pts into sp pen?
How many pts into light/heavy attack?
How many pts into inc dmg against shields?
How many pts into dots?

I'll post my cp setup later, but right now I have to go do Christmas stuff...

-Kai
(The last magicka melee nightblade)