These are my reasons why PvP 1vxing is beyond dead

alephthiago

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

@Vaoh
If someone left the game because they could not dominate the way they used to, I bet they weren't as dominant as they thought.

That doesn't make any sense at all. You can't really get away with saying things like that considering how much the game has changed the past year or so.

I know of a guy who is a really skilled player. I don't even see him on the leader boards anymore, and I don't even know what happened to him. I think he stopped playing this game after the dark brotherhood update was almost over. He can beat anyone in a duel, and I think he's more skilled than Sypher because he has videos of himself 1vxing 20 people at once, all by himself. I will leave a video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7KZn391-Dc

Tell what you just said to this guy.

The guy has 45k health and 65k magicka, in other words....emperor.
Also look HOW BAD the enemies are, most of the time there is only 1-2 people hitting him, do you have any idea how big harness magicka can get with 65k magicka? 1vxing in those conditions is VERY easy.

thankyourat

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

@Vaoh

You make plenty of good points and clearly know what you're talking about but I do take issue with one thing.

Formerly great players who have chosen not to adapt and leave probably weren't as great as they seemed. I'm sure some were, but now that the game is either 1.5 or 2.5 years old (depending on platform) the gap has closed for another reason you don't seem to be considering.

The first wave of "great" players were those who could play ESO as if it was their job. If you could devote 30 to 60 hours a week you were going to get gear and game experience at a much higher rate than someone who could only play ESO maybe 10 hours a week.

Now that so much time has passed many people with full time jobs have caught up gear and skill wise. I would venture a guess that the number of skilled players in Cyrodiil has quadrupled in the last calendar year.

So yeah, proc sets have something to do with it as do Zergs and bugs. But when every 5th person you come across has 1000 hours of experience, all gold gear and max CP 1 v Xing will simply be harder than it was a year ago.

If someone left the game because they could not dominate the way they used to, I bet they weren't as dominant as they thought.

I think that's what ZoS whats players to think but I don't think that's the case. Most players in ESO still don't know what's going on. I see high ranking PvP players who still only know how to press one button. The only thing is ZoS gave these players tools so now they can "compete" with more skilled players. I don't think the player base is more skilled. And as soon as/if they do something about these proc sets, resource poisons and super tankplars alot of the players who seems "skilled" won't be so skilled anymore.

CatchMeTrolling

^ Too add, the game hasn't gotten more skilled player's, the game has become more casual friendly. Where sets do the work for you, ults that you can hand a 5 year old a controller & they might wipe a few people, removal of counter play and more cheese. CHEESE FOR EVERYONE

IlCanis_LupuslI

Spliffo wrote: »

People still 1vX. Maybe you just lack the skill required to pull it off

Havent seen a decent 1vx since poisons since poisons came out. Usually people just kite around for 2-3 mins around a rock then get killed eventually

IlCanis_LupuslI

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

^ There's more New players in cyrodiil than vets right now

There will always be more new players than vets. What I'm saying is that instead of, what, 40 great players on a server there are probably 150. But yes, the new players still probably make up for 75% of the server.

All it takes is for one great player to be in a group for your 1 v X plans to go up in smoke.

Or 1 Good healer keeping everyone alive plus able to take a bit of heat

Valencer

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

^ There's more New players in cyrodiil than vets right now

There will always be more new players than vets. What I'm saying is that instead of, what, 40 great players on a server there are probably 150. But yes, the new players still probably make up for 75% of the server.

All it takes is for one great player to be in a group for your 1 v X plans to go up in smoke.

Or 1 Good healer keeping everyone alive plus able to take a bit of heat

Doesnt even have to be a good healer anymore. Some guy who can hold block, slam his BoL key over and over and has slapped on heavy armour on his character is already an absolute menace to deal with, and that playstyle takes 0 skill or effort.

Thats what really changed with the DB update. At least before then having good sustainable heals required sacrifices, like possibly wearing light armour and opening yourself up to burst if you werent playing carefully.

Kutsuu

Valencer wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

^ There's more New players in cyrodiil than vets right now

There will always be more new players than vets. What I'm saying is that instead of, what, 40 great players on a server there are probably 150. But yes, the new players still probably make up for 75% of the server.

All it takes is for one great player to be in a group for your 1 v X plans to go up in smoke.

Or 1 Good healer keeping everyone alive plus able to take a bit of heat

Doesnt even have to be a good healer anymore. Some guy who can hold block, slam his BoL key over and over and has slapped on heavy armour on his character is already an absolute menace to deal with, and that playstyle takes 0 skill or effort.

Thats what really changed with the DB update. At least before then having good sustainable heals required sacrifices, like possibly wearing light armour and opening yourself up to burst if you werent playing carefully.

They're still going to need to use a serious regen set like Lich, and regen drink, etc, if they are just going to spam BoL nonstop. It costs over 3k magicka in Heavy and you can cast 1 a second. I'm not saying the trollplar healtanks are not a menace - just pointing out that they do actually have to build for it.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Thanks for those who pointed out this was an Emperor video. I didn't even notice the 60k+ magic.

While it's always an impressive feat to some degree to become Emp (although generally the most impressive part is being able to play for 30 straight hours), this video isn't really all that impressive.

I think of 1 v X as your typical tree rounding person in the middle of nowhere. If the definition of it simply is a person who kills a ton of people in the opposing Zerg while not in a group ... sorry ... I call that Tuesday.

Just yesterday I took out a good 25 people a time from Free Jello's group in between my own deaths, and he is arguably the best player on DC XBox Haderus while I was not in a group. Of course pay no attention to the Zerg of 50 that I was hiding in and around. I wasn't in a group so 1 v X! Haha.

Valencer

Kutsuu wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

^ There's more New players in cyrodiil than vets right now

There will always be more new players than vets. What I'm saying is that instead of, what, 40 great players on a server there are probably 150. But yes, the new players still probably make up for 75% of the server.

All it takes is for one great player to be in a group for your 1 v X plans to go up in smoke.

Or 1 Good healer keeping everyone alive plus able to take a bit of heat

Doesnt even have to be a good healer anymore. Some guy who can hold block, slam his BoL key over and over and has slapped on heavy armour on his character is already an absolute menace to deal with, and that playstyle takes 0 skill or effort.

Thats what really changed with the DB update. At least before then having good sustainable heals required sacrifices, like possibly wearing light armour and opening yourself up to burst if you werent playing carefully.

They're still going to need to use a serious regen set like Lich, and regen drink, etc, if they are just going to spam BoL nonstop. It costs over 3k magicka in Heavy and you can cast 1 a second. I'm not saying the trollplar healtanks are not a menace - just pointing out that they do actually have to build for it.

Before they buffed heavy armour, I used to run a heavy armour raid heal spec on my healer that basically did just did, perma-spam BoL. Heavy armour offered me barely any sustain and I had to dedicate my whole build to being able to sustain BoL spam while still healing for decent amounts. This included things like running 5 pc seducer, running drinks (sometimes wrothgar food), slotting immovable for the CC break cost reduction, and a lot more. I literally couldnt do anything except heal people, but the trade-off was that I was tough to take down and I could keep my allies up at the same time.

That was then, and I really cant imagine it taking anywhere near as much effort after all the heavy armour buffs. What I see in Cyrodiil every day now perfectly reflects that too.... templar healbots sustaining BoL spam perfectly in damn reactive armour (which is definitely not a magicka sustain set) or any other silly set, while blocking obscene amounts of pressure.

Most of them are barely even reacting to anything because they dont have to. You could pretty much create a bot that does the same thing. Press BoL over and over, CC break when CC'd, block for a few seconds when health drops too fast, mist form when low on stamina.

Im not complaining about templars specifically here, to be honest. Any class can be damn near unkillable in heavy at the moment and it's going to be one of the biggest issues PvP has when/if they bring stuff like destro ulti and procs back in line. There's not much you can do against a horde of heavy armour users, no matter how good or bad they are.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Valencer wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

^ There's more New players in cyrodiil than vets right now

There will always be more new players than vets. What I'm saying is that instead of, what, 40 great players on a server there are probably 150. But yes, the new players still probably make up for 75% of the server.

All it takes is for one great player to be in a group for your 1 v X plans to go up in smoke.

Or 1 Good healer keeping everyone alive plus able to take a bit of heat

Doesnt even have to be a good healer anymore. Some guy who can hold block, slam his BoL key over and over and has slapped on heavy armour on his character is already an absolute menace to deal with, and that playstyle takes 0 skill or effort.

Thats what really changed with the DB update. At least before then having good sustainable heals required sacrifices, like possibly wearing light armour and opening yourself up to burst if you werent playing carefully.

They're still going to need to use a serious regen set like Lich, and regen drink, etc, if they are just going to spam BoL nonstop. It costs over 3k magicka in Heavy and you can cast 1 a second. I'm not saying the trollplar healtanks are not a menace - just pointing out that they do actually have to build for it.

Before they buffed heavy armour, I used to run a heavy armour raid heal spec on my healer that basically did just did, perma-spam BoL. Heavy armour offered me barely any sustain and I had to dedicate my whole build to being able to sustain BoL spam while still healing for decent amounts. This included things like running 5 pc seducer, running drinks (sometimes wrothgar food), slotting immovable for the CC break cost reduction, and a lot more. I literally couldnt do anything except heal people, but the trade-off was that I was tough to take down and I could keep my allies up at the same time.

That was then, and I really cant imagine it taking anywhere near as much effort after all the heavy armour buffs. What I see in Cyrodiil every day now perfectly reflects that too.... templar healbots sustaining BoL spam perfectly in damn reactive armour (which is definitely not a magicka sustain set) or any other silly set, while blocking obscene amounts of pressure.

Most of them are barely even reacting to anything because they dont have to. You could pretty much create a bot that does the same thing. Press BoL over and over, CC break when CC'd, block for a few seconds when health drops too fast, mist form when low on stamina.

Im not complaining about templars specifically here, to be honest. Any class can be damn near unkillable in heavy at the moment and it's going to be one of the biggest issues PvP has when/if they bring stuff like destro ulti and procs back in line. There's not much you can do against a horde of heavy armour users, no matter how good or bad they are.

Actually there is. You perfectly described half of my build. Heavy armor, Templar with Mist Form.

The difference is I don't use any impen and I stack magic as opposed to health. Mix in my destro staff covered in poisons, a proc set, and some Vicious Death and you can kill anyone. Shatter Soul into VD is always a crowd pleaser as well.

The downside is that you will die at some point, but if you can real off 30 kills in a row before dying, who cares? If you're good with Mist Form you can navigate a Zerg ball pretty easily.

loyalhabsfan

hey I kinda 1vX'd once

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOgKKVKSmsw&t=115s

rteezy

the game changes over the last few patches seem to have favoured the casual gameplay, that requires less player input, less player awareness and defenitly have a lower skillcapp.
ITS NOT one thing in particular, but rather a bunch of things all together that turned the game direction towards this.Where counter play is barely existent and players are rewarded simply by spamming buttons.This settign greatly benefits sub par players and also provides greater rewards for being in a zerg group,since gameplay barely requires any brain activity, having more people acting brain dead and spamming buttons for no reason is actually beneficial and efficient.

I personally dont understand how players can have fun like that.It is so not engaging, so mediocre and "small". People seem to get enjoyment out of doign nothing...they enjoy getting a kill because they pressed their RMB and a chain of procs killed their targets.They enjoy spammin aoe and siege into a big group of red names, getting the notification that u killed someone without even noticing who that person is or where they were...

There is NO enjoyment towards outpaying someone, beating them because you played better. Yet these same players STILL want to be considered "good" or seen as "good"

Zos jsut catered to them, and sadly, the large majority of the player base (not jsut in this game) is becoming this trash pile of mediocre people that demand to be rewarded SIMPLY for being present and take no joy from working hard and competing and surpassing your opponents.

THAt is why there is no more 1vx, Zos catered to these subpar crowds and simplified the game jsut so they could feel "acomplished". It has happened in other games before, this whole catering to the casual sub par player thing, and it NEVER worked, IT ALWAYS destroyed the game balance and the game itself.Why? because games, and specially pvp, should provide a constant opportunity to get better and progress.Once you balance the game aorudn the casual subpar player u "cap" that progress and with it you cap the chance of counterplay..the skill cap...and the skill ceiling.PVP becomes dull, not competitive and over time worst sicne even the sub par players, that now enjoy, weirdly, this fake sense of accomplishment when they do something in pvp afetr using a total of 2 brain cells, will eventually get less and less enjoyment out of it (unless they are jsut,not only a mediocre kind of gamer, but also a mediocre person in general)

PVP should ALWAYUS be designes and catered towards the top players, the highest skillcap available.That way there will ALWAYS be a chance to progress, for both the top players and the casuals.
"oh but then couterplay will allow skilled players to never lose to sub par players"---yes, as it should be. IF you are better then someone and perform b etter then them, you should never lose, ever. Those othe rplayers should NOT eb given any "special" chance to beat you no matter wehat. They have to improve and try to outplay you.THATY is pvp.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

@rteezy

"If you are better and perform better you should never lose"

It would be nice if this were the case but in many competitive games this is simply not the case. Have you ever played Texas Hold em? I've lost thousands of dollars over the years in situations where I had my opponent decimated but they got a lucky card. Have you ever played football? You can have a whole season go down the drain because of a missed field goal or bad call. The U of Kentucky basketball team went like 40-0 a few years ago and they lost 1 game ... season done.

Being the best and even performing like it only guarantees you that you will win a lot, not every time.

Lastly, on a side note, it seems that many people cannot grasp that it's possible for players to improve over time. A scrub a year ago might be pretty darn talented nowadays. It's called learning.

alext89

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

alext89

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

alext89 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

I love your attitude to be honest. I held out a LONG time. I only threw Velidreth on my Magplar as a joke like 3 weeks ago. Even though it's a poison set I've gone from constant frustration to feeling like Sauron.

The moment ZOS puts the genie back in the bottle I'm gonna retire it. Until then I'm getting my revenge for August through November.

rteezy

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

@rteezy

"If you are better and perform better you should never lose"

It would be nice if this were the case but in many competitive games this is simply not the case. Have you ever played Texas Hold em? I've lost thousands of dollars over the years in situations where I had my opponent decimated but they got a lucky card. Have you ever played football? You can have a whole season go down the drain because of a missed field goal or bad call. The U of Kentucky basketball team went like 40-0 a few years ago and they lost 1 game ... season done.

Being the best and even performing like it only guarantees you that you will win a lot, not every time.

Lastly, on a side note, it seems that many people cannot grasp that it's possible for players to improve over time. A scrub a year ago might be pretty darn talented nowadays. It's called learning.

the problem is, with this kind of design that focuis on the casual player base and rewards sub par game play reducing the skill cap and required player input to suceeedd simplifying the game under primate level jsut so everyone can feel "special" and that they "can play" and "contribute" ultimately WONT allow players to improve.The skill cap/cieling is so reduced, the gameplay is so simplified and the counterplay so inexistent that one person can only get so good at spamming their buttons for no apparent reason ...THAt is why the game CANT be balanced aroudn the casual sub par player.IT HAS to be balanced aorudn the very top skilled players, jsut so the skillcap and celing can be capped VERY high allowing for continuous progression and improvement.IT SHOULD BE HARD to beat someone better then you (close to impossible)..IT SHOULD BE CHALLENGING to counter play and outplay others.


This whole " you are all special snowflakes and should feel special every time no matter what" approach that is plaguing the world (online and rl) is only creating degenerate brain dead beings that are nothing else then self entitled waste of oxygen.

Minno

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

I love your attitude to be honest. I held out a LONG time. I only threw Velidreth on my Magplar as a joke like 3 weeks ago. Even though it's a poison set I've gone from constant frustration to feeling like Sauron.

The moment ZOS puts the genie back in the bottle I'm gonna retire it. Until then I'm getting my revenge for August through November.

I'm still holding out. But I'm still using O.G. cheese; Jesus beam+dark flare combo. When they fix proc sets, I'll be public enemy number one lol.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Minno wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

I love your attitude to be honest. I held out a LONG time. I only threw Velidreth on my Magplar as a joke like 3 weeks ago. Even though it's a poison set I've gone from constant frustration to feeling like Sauron.

The moment ZOS puts the genie back in the bottle I'm gonna retire it. Until then I'm getting my revenge for August through November.

I'm still holding out. But I'm still using O.G. cheese; Jesus beam+dark flare combo. When they fix proc sets, I'll be public enemy number one lol.

Love me some JB!

Minno

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

I love your attitude to be honest. I held out a LONG time. I only threw Velidreth on my Magplar as a joke like 3 weeks ago. Even though it's a poison set I've gone from constant frustration to feeling like Sauron.

The moment ZOS puts the genie back in the bottle I'm gonna retire it. Until then I'm getting my revenge for August through November.

I'm still holding out. But I'm still using O.G. cheese; Jesus beam+dark flare combo. When they fix proc sets, I'll be public enemy number one lol.

Love me some JB!

There is nothing like going into stealth right before a zerg comes along and popping the slow tail riders with a dark FLARE>JAVELIN> JB finisher. Watching all that health go down feels dirty.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Minno wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

I love your attitude to be honest. I held out a LONG time. I only threw Velidreth on my Magplar as a joke like 3 weeks ago. Even though it's a poison set I've gone from constant frustration to feeling like Sauron.

The moment ZOS puts the genie back in the bottle I'm gonna retire it. Until then I'm getting my revenge for August through November.

I'm still holding out. But I'm still using O.G. cheese; Jesus beam+dark flare combo. When they fix proc sets, I'll be public enemy number one lol.

Love me some JB!

There is nothing like going into stealth right before a zerg comes along and popping the slow tail riders with a dark FLARE>JAVELIN> JB finisher. Watching all that health go down feels dirty.

Add in some Vicious Death. You won't regret it!

Minno

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

alext89 wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

All i read is "i dont want to adapt to changes"

Adapt to the new meta or die. It is very simple.

imagne everyone had that mindset. how fun would pvp be? and how do u adapt to the new meta? get a zerg whit u? use proc set + heavy armor your self?

I started using heavy armor and a proc set for this exact reason. Six months ago I was running around in all light armor and playing effectively. Now, that's darn near impossible.

I don't like proc sets, but it really is adapt or die.

For what it's worth, a talented player with a proc set is still favored in a fight over an untalented one. But if you're gonna refuse to use the best tools available you're gonna have some problems.

while i agree on what you say, i just cant add to the problem by doing it myself. yes i use heavy armor on my stam dk. but no viper or tremor. other characters i avoid and try my best to get arround it. and while it is horrible, i think it helps me, when they nerf that ***. and a lot of people starting to miss a lot of there damage output.

that being said, i still think its a wrong mindset. if everyone thought like that. pvp would be the worst. if we all could be better at teaching each other to be better. and really learn our builds, and make good builds. that can outplay throguh play style, instead of giving people easy damage output. i know its a fairytale, but we defendly dont need more whit that mindset, adap or die.

but im defendly not jugdeing u mate.

I love your attitude to be honest. I held out a LONG time. I only threw Velidreth on my Magplar as a joke like 3 weeks ago. Even though it's a poison set I've gone from constant frustration to feeling like Sauron.

The moment ZOS puts the genie back in the bottle I'm gonna retire it. Until then I'm getting my revenge for August through November.

I'm still holding out. But I'm still using O.G. cheese; Jesus beam+dark flare combo. When they fix proc sets, I'll be public enemy number one lol.

Love me some JB!

There is nothing like going into stealth right before a zerg comes along and popping the slow tail riders with a dark FLARE>JAVELIN> JB finisher. Watching all that health go down feels dirty.

Add in some Vicious Death. You won't regret it!

I've been rocking the Soulshine/lich combo for solo or Soulshine/trans for zerg hugging. Soulshine buffs staff heavy attacks .

Solidsnake993

@Prothwata Do you have any idea how much skill it takes to pull this off even as an emperor? He literally just killed 30 people by himself. I want to see a video of you getting emperor and pulling this off.

Solidsnake993

You all may think that since he was emperor this 1vx didn't matter. Do you know how many terrible Emperor's I have run into that probably bought it? Were they able to pull something like this off? No. They couldn't even kill a scrub by themselves. To say that you expect this from an emperor is a sad joke. I want you to visit the players on PS4 NA that have former emperor/empress on their characters. He was outnumbered by a lot of people, and he took care of them by himself.

idk

@Feedinginsanity

Tl;dr

Title and subject didn't match. Seemed to be a CP rage thread.

zuto40

Feedinginsanity wrote: »

Spliffo wrote: »

People still 1vX. Maybe you just lack the skill required to pull it off

Yeah, maybe if they are geared exactly as I just described. Otherwise you cannot really convince me that this is a skill issue. They are probably wearing heavy armor otherwise they will die in 4 hits. How many people do you actually know that can 1vx in medium/light armor?

The reason I say this is because I kept running into this one player that was using heavy armor, black rose, viper, selene, and he would resist all of my damage and then kill me in under 2 seconds. I don't understand how we can talk about player skill at this point. Why else do you think people play the cheesiest characters in street fighter games or hug windows in battle field?

me

Malamar1229

OP I wouldnt remove CP I would just change them to be non combat/nonPVP functions. Make the perks quality of life stuff
-+10% gold from loot
- extra inventory increase
- dyes
- Hell, maybe Gate some content behind CP...like a Warrior Lounge with access to buy stuffs (think of the champion hall in early WoW....if I got the name right).
- or change the perks to affect pve only

Malamar1229

people wanna feel accomplished for pvp as well so id add some more rank other than emperor...maybe a council for the 2nd to 5th place players. maybe gate certain weapons for use by players of certain pvp rank.

Rilmarshim

Oh no, all those cryings about 1vX again. You know, when you outnumbered your pretty *** up. At least this is how it should work and this is kinda fair. If you charging to the multiple oppenents and dying - this is your fault. And if you can by yourself without any problems kill multiple players THIS is sound like balance issue.