Why NB for 'Sniper"

thedude33

I am a new player. Never played Elder Scrolls or Skyrim. So my idea of how classes and their related skills work together have been thrown out the window.

It's still difficult to wrap my head around a caster in heavy armor swinging a 2H Axe. Very cool stuff.

That said, when I created my first character, I made what I usually play, an archer/stealth type character = Nightblade. End game is PvP.
After dabbling in PvP I am starting to realize that cloak isn't that big of deal. I actually took it off my bar last night. I am still a n00b so just trying to find out what works and what doesn't.

Which leads to my question. I have a lowbie Darknight. Bow and S/S. Having a blast with him. I started to think, why not that set up for PvP ? Why is a NB so much better for roaming trying to pick off people with Bow? Why can't a DK do the same thing?

Sigtric

One of the biggest things I think would help you to understand how class in this game works is this:
Don't let the class define your role, instead - let it add flavor to the role you are doing.

Basically, any class can do anything.
Templar can be a healer, or a tank, or dps (melee, ranged or magicka)
Dragonknight can be a healer, or a tank, or dps (melee, ranged or magicka)
Nightblade can be a healer, or a tank, or dps (melee, ranged or magicka)
Sorcerer can be a healer, or a tank, or dps (melee, ranged or magicka)

Each class has it's own list of pros and cons for any given job. DKs are very well suited for tanking, but they make great DPS characters too weather that is melee or magicka.

All classes can stealth up with the crouch mechanic

That out of the way...

NB is preferred by many for stealthy characters because it has a few skills that directly influence stealth. Also for that ranging type play, they have skills that make them move around much quicker than the DK might.

That is not to say you can't achieve similar results with the right gearing with a DK.

At the end of the day it comes down to what you find fun and effective.

Olen_Mikko

It is the Nightblades passives that makes them so suitable for snipers. NB Passives gives critical + damage bonus dealt from stealth and combined that with Bosmers passive (10% damage from stealth) is the reason why their opening strike is so damn hard hitting.

ryanborror

Mainly because of cloak, crit and crit dmg bonuses. The also have mobility and high burst damage which the templar and dk lack. You can make a snipe build on any class though. Both dk and sorc have bonuses to heavy attacks, so when combined with silver shard or poison injection, you can deal a lot of damage quickly.

olsborg

Yea what others have said, 10% damage increase on stealth attacks that stacks with racial stealth atk bonuses from bosmer and kahjit.

runningtings

You will grow to love the Cloak.

IlCanis_LupuslI

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

It is the Nightblades passives that makes them so suitable for snipers. NB Passives gives critical + damage bonus dealt from stealth and combined that with Bosmers passive (10% damage from stealth) is the reason why their opening strike is so damn hard hitting.

23k with a opening Focused aim in PvP maby more now since I switched to shadow from thief.
With that setup...

Enslaved

Cloak is very good, you need it. Go for morph that gives you guaranteed crit, and you can use it just before preparing to land initial hit. Combine cloak with radiant magelight (with might of the guild passive in MG skill line) and you will see that it is great.

If playing pure ranged NB sniper, best is to go bow/2h, just to get major brutality from rally. Also, its nice stam self heal that does not break stealth. Relentless focus is no brainer, 8% more damage and its a long buff.

With these 4 buffs, you get

• guaranteed crit
• empowered attack by 20%
• bonus damage 28%

It can one shot many ppl in cyrodiil, especially if you use proc sets.
Viper will proc on bow if you use poison or disease enchantment.
Vicecannon will proc every time from sneak (but it will make you not be able to go invisible for maybe 10 sec, or even crouch)
Sheer venom will proc if you use venom arrow execute morph.

Pretty sweet stuff. If you are not on receiving end.

Other sets that give you benefits are

• marksman (easy af to obtain, 8% bow bonus damage to players and 5% reduced stam cost of all skills)
• morag tong (hard as hell to obtain, 10% more poison damage to already poisoned folk)
• spriggan (if only body parts, you can get it in 2 days, 4000 more weapon penetration)

You will not be able to do anything as pure sniper to even mediocre sorcs, and any propper DK tanks. So no matter what you do, find a few more gankers to make sure you kill targets.
Also, bow is excellent for keep defense.

I would advise that your 2h bar have ambush, 2h execute, hysteria and surprise attack on it.

BohnT

As the others said any class can be almost anything. If you play with a dk try using fossilize after your first snipe hit the target immediatly before the second one hits. With this combination you can stop the enemy from using dodge roles to avoid your arrows. Spriggan and marksman are very good for a Bow build. Clever Alchemist, draugr hulk or ophidian of poison are also very good.
I'd advice that your bow is sharpened and you can consider using one piece of Kragh to maximise your penetration.

thedude33

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

It is the Nightblades passives that makes them so suitable for snipers. NB Passives gives critical + damage bonus dealt from stealth and combined that with Bosmers passive (10% damage from stealth) is the reason why their opening strike is so damn hard hitting.

23k with a opening Focused aim in PvP maby more now since I switched to shadow from thief.
With that setup...

Would really like to know how you get that. I only average about 8k. Gold weapon and mostly purple gear. Not perfect but shouldn't be only 33% of the damage that you can do.

thedude33

Enslaved wrote: »

Cloak is very good, you need it. Go for morph that gives you guaranteed crit, and you can use it just before preparing to land initial hit. Combine cloak with radiant magelight (with might of the guild passive in MG skill line) and you will see that it is great.

If playing pure ranged NB sniper, best is to go bow/2h, just to get major brutality from rally. Also, its nice stam self heal that does not break stealth. Relentless focus is no brainer, 8% more damage and its a long buff.

With these 4 buffs, you get

• guaranteed crit
• empowered attack by 20%
• bonus damage 28%

It can one shot many ppl in cyrodiil, especially if you use proc sets.
Viper will proc on bow if you use poison or disease enchantment.
Vicecannon will proc every time from sneak (but it will make you not be able to go invisible for maybe 10 sec, or even crouch)
Sheer venom will proc if you use venom arrow execute morph.

Pretty sweet stuff. If you are not on receiving end.

Other sets that give you benefits are

• marksman (easy af to obtain, 8% bow bonus damage to players and 5% reduced stam cost of all skills)
• morag tong (hard as hell to obtain, 10% more poison damage to already poisoned folk)
• spriggan (if only body parts, you can get it in 2 days, 4000 more weapon penetration)

You will not be able to do anything as pure sniper to even mediocre sorcs, and any propper DK tanks. So no matter what you do, find a few more gankers to make sure you kill targets.
Also, bow is excellent for keep defense.

I would advise that your 2h bar have ambush, 2h execute, hysteria and surprise attack on it.

Pretty much what I have done. Marksman and Spriggans.

I am seriously doing something wrong

Scrymglin

Check out AlCast's Silencium build https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK6mO1EiUtc or http://alcasthq.com/silencium/

It contains many of the elements posters have already mentioned above, but in the video he explains and demonstrates the passive buffs (Camo Hunter, Dawnbreaker) and the sequence of buffs (rally, piercing mark - maybe, radiant magelight, shadowy disguise).

I like the build, but I'm not saying you have to follow it. But if you check out the video you'll understand how to get all the buffs working to give 20+k damage first shot.

thedude33

Yes, he is one of the guys I follow. He has some great videos. After buffing up he flashes the tool tip on Lethal Arrow, and it shows 18k damage.

So I am missing something. Just need to figure it out. A big thing I need to figure out is targeting. Takes way too long for me when I see a guy riding buy to get buffed and him targeted.

Also in game, as someone mentioned above. 50% of the classes are almost a no go. That is also something I have to identify quicker when lining someone up.

susmitds

thedude33 wrote: »

Yes, he is one of the guys I follow. He has some great videos. After buffing up he flashes the tool tip on Lethal Arrow, and it shows 18k damage.

So I am missing something. Just need to figure it out. A big thing I need to figure out is targeting. Takes way too long for me when I see a guy riding buy to get buffed and him targeted.

Also in game, as someone mentioned above. 50% of the classes are almost a no go. That is also something I have to identify quicker when lining someone up.

Number one rule of a ganker: Always stay fully buffed to kill.

IlCanis_LupuslI

thedude33 wrote: »

Mangeli200194 wrote: »

Olen_Mikko wrote: »

It is the Nightblades passives that makes them so suitable for snipers. NB Passives gives critical + damage bonus dealt from stealth and combined that with Bosmers passive (10% damage from stealth) is the reason why their opening strike is so damn hard hitting.

23k with a opening Focused aim in PvP maby more now since I switched to shadow from thief.
With that setup...

Would really like to know how you get that. I only average about 8k. Gold weapon and mostly purple gear. Not perfect but shouldn't be only 33% of the damage that you can do.

5 piece Spriggans thorn (bow in sharpened(gold) hikejo weapon enchant, 4 armor pieces, all gold devines ), 1 piece shoulder of molag kina seconds gold, 2 Armor pieces of marksmans crest( gold devines) Jewelry of marksman crest( all gold+ Gold wd enchants)
90 into mighty, 80 into crit damage, 17 under Piercing

Before attacking =>rally, relentless Fokus, radiant magelight(magesguild level 10 mandatory might of the guild passive), always attack at max range and out of stealth, shadow mundus stone. Recommended race = bosmer or having( bosmer are better thou)

IlCanis_LupuslI

susmitds wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

Yes, he is one of the guys I follow. He has some great videos. After buffing up he flashes the tool tip on Lethal Arrow, and it shows 18k damage.

So I am missing something. Just need to figure it out. A big thing I need to figure out is targeting. Takes way too long for me when I see a guy riding buy to get buffed and him targeted.

Also in game, as someone mentioned above. 50% of the classes are almost a no go. That is also something I have to identify quicker when lining someone up.

Number one rule of a ganker: Always stay fully buffed to kill.

Mine is at 19.6 fully buffed XD

thedude33 wrote: »

Yes, he is one of the guys I follow. He has some great videos. After buffing up he flashes the tool tip on Lethal Arrow, and it shows 18k damage.

So I am missing something. Just need to figure it out. A big thing I need to figure out is targeting. Takes way too long for me when I see a guy riding buy to get buffed and him targeted.

Also in game, as someone mentioned above. 50% of the classes are almost a no go. That is also something I have to identify quicker when lining someone up.

Mine flasches up for 19.5-19-7k XD

IlCanis_LupuslI

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Abo_efsmEY

Me in PvP as. Bow user...
P. S. Transmutation Healers tick me of sometimes....

IlCanis_LupuslI

Enslaved wrote: »

Cloak is very good, you need it. Go for morph that gives you guaranteed crit, and you can use it just before preparing to land initial hit. Combine cloak with radiant magelight (with might of the guild passive in MG skill line) and you will see that it is great.

If playing pure ranged NB sniper, best is to go bow/2h, just to get major brutality from rally. Also, its nice stam self heal that does not break stealth. Relentless focus is no brainer, 8% more damage and its a long buff.

With these 4 buffs, you get

• guaranteed crit
• empowered attack by 20%
• bonus damage 28%

It can one shot many ppl in cyrodiil, especially if you use proc sets.
Viper will proc on bow if you use poison or disease enchantment.
Vicecannon will proc every time from sneak (but it will make you not be able to go invisible for maybe 10 sec, or even crouch)
Sheer venom will proc if you use venom arrow execute morph.

Pretty sweet stuff. If you are not on receiving end.

Other sets that give you benefits are

• marksman (easy af to obtain, 8% bow bonus damage to players and 5% reduced stam cost of all skills)
• morag tong (hard as hell to obtain, 10% more poison damage to already poisoned folk)
• spriggan (if only body parts, you can get it in 2 days, 4000 more weapon penetration)

You will not be able to do anything as pure sniper to even mediocre sorcs, and any propper DK tanks. So no matter what you do, find a few more gankers to make sure you kill targets.
Also, bow is excellent for keep defense.

I would advise that your 2h bar have ambush, 2h execute, hysteria and surprise attack on it.

Well my tip => sorcs usually dont keep up their shields 24 seven, after 6 seks the shield expires and then there is a 2 second opening where you can kill them very easil y

Rilmarshim

Ffs not you again...

IlCanis_LupuslI

Lol, suck it up m8 .

Immovablestone

Enslaved wrote: »

find a few more gankers to make sure you kill targets.

For ones own gameplay, this is worse than zerging and horrible advice.

If one finds oneself stealthed in a group all ganking one solo target, know that you will never improve your gameplay doing this.

Ganking is a solo martial art.

Scrymglin

Hey OP, I was thinking - what are your attribute numbers? More magicka and stamina will increase your damage. If you have it all in health (or even worse spread across all three) then you're losing out on damage output.

Prabooo

thedude33 wrote: »

I am seriously doing something wrong

How's your CP configuration?

Kutsuu

As far as buffing for ganks goes, you have two options depending on the terrain. Option one is to make sure you can see enemies far enough away that you can buff in time. Option two is that you constantly keep your buffs refreshed and be ready to attack right away in cases where you can't see enemies approaching from a long distance. Option one is preferable because other players can HEAR you buffing in stealth from a pretty scary distance. If you're chilling next to a milegate spamming your buffs and an enemy in stealth is running through, they will hear you and hunt you...

thedude33

Prabooo wrote: »

thedude33 wrote: »

I am seriously doing something wrong

How's your CP configuration?

I have been running in the non CP campaign