Best trait on Viper set?

j_s

As title says, what's the best trait for PvP

Stam DK with 2H/Bow or 2H/shield&sword

Thanks

jeedrzej

Impenetrable of course

j_s

Wonderful, thanks.

The Uninvited

Depends if you want to pvp or pve.

Edit: oops, did read that too fast. Impen it is.

Edziu

divines 4ever
for pvp also, *** you meta

Armitas

No

susmitds

Prosperous works fine.

Solariken

The best trait for a Viper PvP set currently is "banked"

Do the right thing hombre.

UrbanMonk

Divine- for pvp and pve both.

and don't bank it. use it while you can.

leepalmer95

Impen pvp
Divine pve

Like everything else in the game.

j_s

Solariken wrote: »

The best trait for a Viper PvP set currently is "banked"

Do the right thing hombre.

What do you mean?

leepalmer95

j_s wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

The best trait for a Viper PvP set currently is "banked"

Do the right thing hombre.

What do you mean?

He means its stupidly over performing and currently armor seems to do the fighting for most players.

Toast_STS

Solariken wrote: »

The best trait for a Viper PvP set currently is "banked"

Do the right thing harambe.

FTFY

Dk_needs_a_buff

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

GreenSoup2HoT

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Whats the point? You could make up for the damage viper does by increasing your ability damage with Spriggians. All you end up doing is loosing out on potentail damage to shields since armour pen does nothing. Then you have no procs but still deal a ton of damage.

You could make the argument that its not skillful to use Dawnbreaker,Incap, EotS, Poison Inj,Radiant D and many other abilitys.

In general were not really playing a very skill-based game due to balance issues all over the place. Sure you can handicap yourself and show that you can kill someone without a meta build but that wont stop others from using them.

In my opinion, if you want to handicap your build and be proud of it go ahead but in most situations youll just make the game less enjoy-able.

Knowledge and mechanic understanding is what makes a player skilled. Anyone can use meta setups but that does not mean they will be any good.

I have friends who use the most meta setups and on a daily basis i see them charging into zergs dieing instantly...lol.

Sandman929

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Whats the point? You could make up for the damage viper does by increasing your ability damage with Spriggians. All you end up doing is loosing out on potentail damage to shields since armour pen does nothing. Then you have no procs but still deal a ton of damage.

You could make the argument that its not skillful to use Dawnbreaker,Incap, EotS, Poison Inj,Radiant D and many other abilitys.

In general were not really playing a very skill-based game due to balance issues all over the place. Sure you can handicap yourself and show that you can kill someone without a meta build but that wont stop others from using them.

In my opinion, if you want to handicap your build and be proud of it go ahead but in most situations youll just make the game less enjoy-able.

Knowledge and mechanic understanding is what makes a player skilled. Anyone can use meta setups but that does not mean they will be any good.

I have friends who use the most meta setups and on a daily basis i see them charging into zergs dieing instantly...lol.

The argument that it's not skillful to use Dawbreaker, Incap, EotS, etc is a little different though, in that those things are skills. It's not skillful to use armor sets that proc damage because that damage isn't due to using a skill, it's just free.

GreenSoup2HoT

Sandman929 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Whats the point? You could make up for the damage viper does by increasing your ability damage with Spriggians. All you end up doing is loosing out on potentail damage to shields since armour pen does nothing. Then you have no procs but still deal a ton of damage.

You could make the argument that its not skillful to use Dawnbreaker,Incap, EotS, Poison Inj,Radiant D and many other abilitys.

In general were not really playing a very skill-based game due to balance issues all over the place. Sure you can handicap yourself and show that you can kill someone without a meta build but that wont stop others from using them.

In my opinion, if you want to handicap your build and be proud of it go ahead but in most situations youll just make the game less enjoy-able.

Knowledge and mechanic understanding is what makes a player skilled. Anyone can use meta setups but that does not mean they will be any good.

I have friends who use the most meta setups and on a daily basis i see them charging into zergs dieing instantly...lol.

The argument that it's not skillful to use Dawbreaker, Incap, EotS, etc is a little different though, in that those things are skills. It's not skillful to use armor sets that proc damage because that damage isn't due to using a skill, it's just free.

The only difference i guess is that proc sets give you free damage while light/heavy attacking which is free.

I was basically getting at how with some setups, for instance a ganking setup, you can use damage sets like spriggians instead of proc sets and obtain the same damage output (excluding monster sets because nothing will grant you 12k for a 2 piece) with a combo.

Just want to make clear that i do think proc sets are terribly balanced even though i utalize viper myself (only viper, im 100% opposed to using monster sets).

I would be using the Sentry set if it wasnt so hard to rng a couple sharpend daggers...

Qbiken

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Viper isn´t a proc set (no % chance to proc). And saying it has a 100% chance to fire every 4 sec doesn´t make it a proc set.

Example of proc sets:
Red mountain, velidreth, valkyn skoria, tremorscale, bloodspawn, chokethorn, icehearth, kragh......

A procset is difined by a % chance to proc (thereby the name ).
Take sheer venom set for example: When you deal damage with an Execute ability you infect the enemy, dealing 8428 Poison Damage over 6 seconds. The effect can occur once every 6 seconds.

Does this make it a proc set??? No it doesn´t and same goes for viper. But I get your point about viper overperforming. But you should have one thing in mind about the viper set. I might be wrong about this but anyway: Before 1 Tamriel the Viper set could only be obtained in Sanctum Ophidia. To farm a complete Viper set wasn´t that easy and few people had it, back then there were almost no threads or complains about this set, the real rant began when 1 tamriel was released and viper could be obtainable by doing fungal grotto (which is way easier to farm than sanctum ophidia). So the real rant about viper actually began when more people started using it, but the stats/tooltip about viper have always been the same. So my question here:

Is viperset the real issue or is it just that people are mad about it being more available?? Not taking any sides here, just asking a question to improve the discussion.

KingYogi415

Full training set. (more ap)

Cheers!

GreenSoup2HoT

@Qbiken

Viper was actually buffed by 400% when shadows of the hist came out. It used to deal 1.5k and was useless compared to hundings (before shadow of the hist). Before one tamriel hit and shadows of the hist came out it got popular since you could scale down trials and obtain it easily. Its even easier now that its in a dungeon because of one tamriel. Also daggers sharpend drop from the 2nd boss in F.G.2 which makes running 5/5/2 builds even easier again.

Viper was handed out to everyone basically. Im currently trying to farm Strength of the Automation and getting Sharpend Daggers is a pain in the butt.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Qbiken wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Viper isn´t a proc set (no % chance to proc). And saying it has a 100% chance to fire every 4 sec doesn´t make it a proc set.

This.

Viper is more akin to getting an additional punch in on the guy you're fighting. So instead of doing one punch, you do two. Then you can repeat that every 4 seconds. That is what makes the set so good.

Sandman929

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Viper isn´t a proc set (no % chance to proc). And saying it has a 100% chance to fire every 4 sec doesn´t make it a proc set.

This.

Viper is more akin to getting an additional punch in on the guy you're fighting. So instead of doing one punch, you do two. Then you can repeat that every 4 seconds. That is what makes the set so good.

Actually you do one punch, and your armor does the other.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Sandman929 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Viper isn´t a proc set (no % chance to proc). And saying it has a 100% chance to fire every 4 sec doesn´t make it a proc set.

This.

Viper is more akin to getting an additional punch in on the guy you're fighting. So instead of doing one punch, you do two. Then you can repeat that every 4 seconds. That is what makes the set so good.

Actually you do one punch, and your armor does the other.

lmao

I immediately thought of this;

Waffennacht

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Viper isn´t a proc set (no % chance to proc). And saying it has a 100% chance to fire every 4 sec doesn´t make it a proc set.

This.

Viper is more akin to getting an additional punch in on the guy you're fighting. So instead of doing one punch, you do two. Then you can repeat that every 4 seconds. That is what makes the set so good.

Actually you do one punch, and your armor does the other.

lmao

I immediately thought of this;

I wish I could give another awesome to this.

GreenSoup2HoT

Waffennacht wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

Dk_needs_a_buff wrote: »

Dont use viper. Show you have skill and dont use procs

Viper isn´t a proc set (no % chance to proc). And saying it has a 100% chance to fire every 4 sec doesn´t make it a proc set.

This.

Viper is more akin to getting an additional punch in on the guy you're fighting. So instead of doing one punch, you do two. Then you can repeat that every 4 seconds. That is what makes the set so good.

Actually you do one punch, and your armor does the other.

lmao

I immediately thought of this;

I wish I could give another awesome to this.

Your welcome.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Yo if my armor turned into a phantom like person, man, thing then attacked for me while I also attacked. I would be HYPED.













But Viper will have to do for all my JoJo's Bizarre role playing adventure fantasys for now.

maybe Velidreth if I can get the shoulder piece I need