Ahnastashia wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »rmerlb16_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »They make nothing selling Crown Crates.
They make money from us in four ways. They sell the initial game license, they sell Crowns, they sell ESO Plus subscriptions, they sell merchandise in the Bethesda ESO Store.
With Crowns, it does not matter what you purchase in the Store, or if you purchase anything at all. What Crown Crates do is deplete Crown reserves and encourage purchase of additional Crowns.
That's a contradiction there. You say yourself that crown crates will encourage the purchase of additional Crowns. Then looks to me that selling Crown Crates does allow them to make money.
They make money selling Crowns, not Crown Crates. All that matters, at the end of the day, is how much revenue they make from the Crowns they sell. Not how many Crown Crates.
Edit: With my ESO Plus Crowns, I can buy 45 Crown Crates during a year and not have to buy a single additional Crown. This nets ZOS absolutely no extra revenue from me. None. Zip. Were I to do this, the Crown Crates would simply be part of my ESO Plus subscription.
I won't be using my ESO Plus Crowns for this, just to be clear.
If they see a significant increase in crown purchases and also many crown crate purchases, I'm going to say I believe they will see the connection, and will see the introduction of crown crates as a "huge success". If however, they do not see an increase in crown purchases and little to no crown crate purchases, I would think that would be a message that their crown crates failed. Am I wrong here?
We've been giving them feedback for years and they ignore it,why would they start now?
We've been giving them feedback for years and they ignore it,why would they start now?
Ahnastashia wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »rmerlb16_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »They make nothing selling Crown Crates.
They make money from us in four ways. They sell the initial game license, they sell Crowns, they sell ESO Plus subscriptions, they sell merchandise in the Bethesda ESO Store.
With Crowns, it does not matter what you purchase in the Store, or if you purchase anything at all. What Crown Crates do is deplete Crown reserves and encourage purchase of additional Crowns.
That's a contradiction there. You say yourself that crown crates will encourage the purchase of additional Crowns. Then looks to me that selling Crown Crates does allow them to make money.
They make money selling Crowns, not Crown Crates. All that matters, at the end of the day, is how much revenue they make from the Crowns they sell. Not how many Crown Crates.
Edit: With my ESO Plus Crowns, I can buy 45 Crown Crates during a year and not have to buy a single additional Crown. This nets ZOS absolutely no extra revenue from me. None. Zip. Were I to do this, the Crown Crates would simply be part of my ESO Plus subscription.
I won't be using my ESO Plus Crowns for this, just to be clear.
If they see a significant increase in crown purchases and also many crown crate purchases, I'm going to say I believe they will see the connection, and will see the introduction of crown crates as a "huge success". If however, they do not see an increase in crown purchases and little to no crown crate purchases, I would think that would be a message that their crown crates failed. Am I wrong here?
They have no problem saying that ESO "welcomes" them while the feedback is overwhelmingly negative. They will have no problem saying they were a success even if they don't sell like they expected (although given the history of this kind of scam in MMOs, they will sell).
They have no problem saying that ESO "welcomes" them while the feedback is overwhelmingly negative. They will have no problem saying they were a success even if they don't sell like they expected (although given the history of this kind of scam in MMOs, they will sell).
There you are right, the will sell, however the main community isnt the usual mmo community, so the outcome _could_ be different.
Its all a matter of how many players have an own will to not be blinded by some marketing and withstand the temptation and see what it really is: a gamble where the customers only lose.
Toorlokviing wrote: »if i buy any of these crown crates..im going to get so many dupes due to having bought almost all the retired crown store items. i know everyone likes to flame something they dont like but i know i will at least spend 5k crowns on these just to see what i get.
I am against WoW being B2P + Subscription AND having a cash shop on top of it, hence why I've never played it. Unturned is F2P from a small developer. It isn't a large studio with multiple revenue sources on three major platforms. CS:GO also has a $15 price point, skins can drop directly, and you can buy what you want directly from the Steam marketplace without having to gamble.
Whether the skin is gambling-only or bought with cash, it's still just a skin. It makes zero difference to your gameplay.
That isn't my argument. At all. I don't care what's in the crates. I have no need to obtain a specific mount in order to make my ESO experience complete. I do, however, care about what gambling crates do to game ecosystems. They have demonstrated time and time again to be an exploitative, insulting method of fleecing customers by waving the best collectibles and that oh so elusive "you might get it in only a few tries" possibility in the player's faces. ESO is buy to play, has DLC, an optional subscription service, and an in-game store. And I'm fine with all of that. Companies DO need to make money. But they shouldn't be willing to make it so blatantly at the expense of the customer experience. Meaningful content updates and communication with the players keeps MMO's alive. Crate systems turn them into gambling simulators that limp on in some form of purgatorial type existence. The focus always ends up being what can be made "crate exclusive" instead of "how can we introduce fresh and exciting content?"
Please reconsider this! I have several consumables I got from limited time bundles I don't need. Some of them can't even put in bank for some reason. I mean, what should I do with Crown Lessons Pack when all my characters have their riding maxed.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »
I DID pass on the Turquoise Nixad waiting for the Orchid. And now we lost the wolves too. ;(ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »There will be some new, non-themed items exclusive to Crown Crates, yes. These are largely going to be re-skins of existing items, though. You will be able to purchase these with Crown Gems, and they will be priced lower than the themed Apex-level mounts.
This is even worse news than the storm atronach mounts being exclusive.
It is worse news to me too. I actually wanted some of those reskins more than I wanted atronach stuff. But it sounds like the only way I'll be able to buy them now is if they introduce a new option to purchase crown gems directly, because I'm not doing the gamble and exchange thing.
If only...
But then it wouldn't be a gamble like intended.
I really wish ZOS still posted the Crown Store Showcase today. Waiting until tomorrow to find out if the mount I want is Crown Crate Exclusive or not will be torture.
I'm not holding on to any hopes there.
On the bright side, I finally gave up on waiting for the red wolf mount a little while back and bought the regular one. I actually love it! It actually fits the character I bought it for perfectly and I'm really glad I picked it.
I almost passed on the Turquoise Nixad, which is my absolute favourite pet, because I was waiting for the Orchid Nixad. The Orchid Nixad was one of the Crate-exclusive pets on the PTS.
I would still buy the Orchid Nixad if it came out through direct purchase, but I would hate myself forever if I passed on the Turquoise Nixad for it knowing now that it will be forever away from my grasp.
So I only play one toon kajiit
Am I going to end up getting argonian head stuff that is no use?
These are basic details
Which is, of course, precisely the point.omfg all what people talk about mounts..
its useless consumables bundles with lottery of 0.3% chance to get a mount
its 99.3% consumables crates
Yeah, this just enforces negative stereotypes, and #racism!Callous2208 wrote: »@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_RichLambert No one gives a *** about these scam boxes. Now that this fiasco is out of the way, can we get some info on upcoming expansions and other meaningful content? Watching a khajiit throw me worthless consumables while I *** away good money doesn't keep me interested in your game. Similar practices are why I left other MMO's. Show me screens of upcoming zones and features and stfu about cash shop, scam box bs. Can I safely assume the added income you get from lottery loving peasants will lead to bigger and better content updates? Can I get an eso live or article detailing non cash shop related plans for the future?
Ahnastashia wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »rmerlb16_ESO wrote: »lordrichter wrote: »They make nothing selling Crown Crates.
They make money from us in four ways. They sell the initial game license, they sell Crowns, they sell ESO Plus subscriptions, they sell merchandise in the Bethesda ESO Store.
With Crowns, it does not matter what you purchase in the Store, or if you purchase anything at all. What Crown Crates do is deplete Crown reserves and encourage purchase of additional Crowns.
That's a contradiction there. You say yourself that crown crates will encourage the purchase of additional Crowns. Then looks to me that selling Crown Crates does allow them to make money.
They make money selling Crowns, not Crown Crates. All that matters, at the end of the day, is how much revenue they make from the Crowns they sell. Not how many Crown Crates.
Edit: With my ESO Plus Crowns, I can buy 45 Crown Crates during a year and not have to buy a single additional Crown. This nets ZOS absolutely no extra revenue from me. None. Zip. Were I to do this, the Crown Crates would simply be part of my ESO Plus subscription.
I won't be using my ESO Plus Crowns for this, just to be clear.
If they see a significant increase in crown purchases and also many crown crate purchases, I'm going to say I believe they will see the connection, and will see the introduction of crown crates as a "huge success". If however, they do not see an increase in crown purchases and little to no crown crate purchases, I would think that would be a message that their crown crates failed. Am I wrong here?
I will repeat something that @lordrichter said to me a month ago.
Regardless of what happens, the first news we get regarding the Crown Crates will surely contain the expression "huge success".
They have no problem saying that ESO "welcomes" them while the feedback is overwhelmingly negative. They will have no problem saying they were a success even if they don't sell like they expected (although given the history of this kind of scam in MMOs, they will sell).