Stam DK vs Magicka DK Question

Jjitsuboy98

So I have been thinking of paying some crowns to change my Dunmer to a Redguard and respec to Stamina. I love Magicka DK and 1v1 he is really powerful and can out sustain a lot of setups for a victory. Open world the lack of mobility and burst damage really gets frustrating sometimes so I'd thought I'd ask here before respecting for opinions from other Stam DKs.

The setup I run now is 5 Piece Seducer, 5 Trainee, 2 Skoria/Groth/Bspawn 5heavy 1 Light 1 Medium Double sword and board. I have around 43 k Magicka (I run inner light a lot), 26K Health and around 19K Stamina with my setup.

I would be respecing to Stamina and wearing 5 Black Rose, 5 Viper, 2 tremorscale 5 Heavy 1 Light 1 Medium Swoard and Board/2 Hander.

Would this setup be as good as Magicka Dk in duels and as easy to play? How would burst damage be? I've heard the proc sets are powerful but never used them. Would mobility be improved as a Stam DK? Thanks for any advice.

Immovablestone

Well, you're talking about going from arguably the worst setup (heavy MDK) to one of the current best *** broken metas (proctard stam DK). So of course it will be easier to play. Your burst will be in another league, and your mobility will be increased as you'll have much better gap closer options and far more stamina to play with.

I've personally done both, and throw DK super-tank on top of the pile. I always come back to my heavy MDK, the playstyle is just so snazzy, and who doesn't like burninating all the things??

The choice and the path are yours, young padawan.

Jjitsuboy98

Immovablestone wrote: »

Well, you're talking about going from arguably the worst setup (heavy MDK) to one of the current best *** broken metas (proctard stam DK). So of course it will be easier to play. Your burst will be in another league, and your mobility will be increased as you'll have much better gap closer options and far more stamina to play with.

I've personally done both, and throw DK super-tank on top of the pile. I always come back to my heavy MDK, the playstyle is just so snazzy, and who doesn't like burninating all the things??

The choice and the path are yours, young padawan.

Thanks I figured as much. I perma block on my magicka DK. Is that still possible on Stam? I figure it would be even easier.

Rohaus

Perma block Mag DK is far superior to Stam DK in every way. As stam DK, you lose access to what makes a Mag DK so powerful... talons being one of the biggest AND tons of AoE damage.

A stam DK has what? Caltrops?

Immovablestone

Rohaus wrote: »

Perma block Mag DK is far superior to Stam DK in every way

I also very much think this, I was just being practical with the lad

It also depends what you want to do/how you want to play, they're very different.

IMHO stam DK is inherently more directly mobile, while the mobility from MDK comes from control, which is a bit harder to master in my experience.

But once one masters it, one never goes back :P

Lokey0024

Vigor/rally after igneous shield in heavy armor puts stam dk into god tier in pvp. The set up you will be using is meta. Might consider imperial for health, but redguard is better sustain.

And use vitality pots, you will never die 1v1 unless you just are a bad.

Jjitsuboy98

Rohaus wrote: »

Perma block Mag DK is far superior to Stam DK in every way. As stam DK, you lose access to what makes a Mag DK so powerful... talons being one of the biggest AND tons of AoE damage.

A stam DK has what? Caltrops?

In every way really?

Lexxypwns

Yeah, the cancer is gonna be stronger than your current mdk build.

However, for your mDK, you could go 2 heavy grothdarr, seducer snb + 3 heavy armor, Burning spellweave jewels + 2 armor. This build will give you MUCH more damage.

Furthermore, you could run 5 heavy 2 light in 5 Kags, 2 groth, BSW and run the witchmothers drink that gives hp+mag+regen.

Magika DK is gonna lack a good heal, but if you've overcome that then these builds will only make you stronger.

edit: Mist form solves most of your mobility issues anyway and bats gives you a good ulti.

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Lexxypwns you forgot to mention the biggest drawback. Vampires are ugly as sin

Jjitsuboy98

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Yeah, the cancer is gonna be stronger than your current mdk build.

However, for your mDK, you could go 2 heavy grothdarr, seducer snb + 3 heavy armor, Burning spellweave jewels + 2 armor. This build will give you MUCH more damage.

Furthermore, you could run 5 heavy 2 light in 5 Kags, 2 groth, BSW and run the witchmothers drink that gives hp+mag+regen.

Magika DK is gonna lack a good heal, but if you've overcome that then these builds will only make you stronger.

edit: Mist form solves most of your mobility issues anyway and bats gives you a good ulti.

I like the sustain from Trainee set and the max magicka gives a good bit of damage. However I would like to try Burning Spell Weave if I could get my hands on it, I think I have a few pieces.

Lexxypwns

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Yeah, the cancer is gonna be stronger than your current mdk build.

However, for your mDK, you could go 2 heavy grothdarr, seducer snb + 3 heavy armor, Burning spellweave jewels + 2 armor. This build will give you MUCH more damage.

Furthermore, you could run 5 heavy 2 light in 5 Kags, 2 groth, BSW and run the witchmothers drink that gives hp+mag+regen.

Magika DK is gonna lack a good heal, but if you've overcome that then these builds will only make you stronger.

edit: Mist form solves most of your mobility issues anyway and bats gives you a good ulti.

I like the sustain from Trainee set and the max magicka gives a good bit of damage. However I would like to try Burning Spell Weave if I could get my hands on it, I think I have a few pieces.

well, you just need the jewels and 2 armor pieces so its not such a bad farm. I understand why trainee is good, but seducer is gonna cover a lot of your sustain, having more damage means less work for kills though and that can't be overlooked. Its worth farming imo

Jjitsuboy98

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Vigor/rally after igneous shield in heavy armor puts stam dk into god tier in pvp. The set up you will be using is meta. Might consider imperial for health, but redguard is better sustain.

And use vitality pots, you will never die 1v1 unless you just are a bad.

Yeah I'm stuck between Imperial and Redguard. I wanna have enough life without having to enchant with health. I'm at 13.5 k Dunmer now outside of cyrodil and without food, I figure Imperial would take care of my needs. However I wanna go redguard for the stamina return because Black Rose by itself I'm afraid won't be enough with my 500 recovery and as much as I block. I thought about going Redguard with the Lord Mundus Stone. Idk it's a real hard decision before I pay the crowns. Having no sustain is a nightmare. But these days u need higher health.

Lokey0024

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Vigor/rally after igneous shield in heavy armor puts stam dk into god tier in pvp. The set up you will be using is meta. Might consider imperial for health, but redguard is better sustain.

And use vitality pots, you will never die 1v1 unless you just are a bad.

Yeah I'm stuck between Imperial and Redguard. I wanna have enough life without having to enchant with health. I'm at 13.5 k Dunmer now outside of cyrodil and without food, I figure Imperial would take care of my needs. However I wanna go redguard for the stamina return because Black Rose by itself I'm afraid won't be enough with my 500 recovery and as much as I block. I thought about going Redguard with the Lord Mundus Stone. Idk it's a real hard decision before I pay the crowns. Having no sustain is a nightmare. But these days u need higher health.

Na you should still have around 23k health if not more as a redguard. Just imperial in BR and with Bloodspawn and agility gear on i was rockin 30k health. Dont slot any health, just damage or you hit like a wet noodle. If you got tremor/viper/BR you should be good all stam.

Jjitsuboy98

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Vigor/rally after igneous shield in heavy armor puts stam dk into god tier in pvp. The set up you will be using is meta. Might consider imperial for health, but redguard is better sustain.

And use vitality pots, you will never die 1v1 unless you just are a bad.

Yeah I'm stuck between Imperial and Redguard. I wanna have enough life without having to enchant with health. I'm at 13.5 k Dunmer now outside of cyrodil and without food, I figure Imperial would take care of my needs. However I wanna go redguard for the stamina return because Black Rose by itself I'm afraid won't be enough with my 500 recovery and as much as I block. I thought about going Redguard with the Lord Mundus Stone. Idk it's a real hard decision before I pay the crowns. Having no sustain is a nightmare. But these days u need higher health.

Na you should still have around 23k health if not more as a redguard. Just imperial in BR and with Bloodspawn and agility gear on i was rockin 30k health. Dont slot any health, just damage or you hit like a wet noodle. If you got tremor/viper/BR you should be good all stam.

Cool. I'll go the tower mundus then or the weapon damage one. I'm playing around with the build in duels with a purple weapon (before I go gold) and it is pretty good. Vigor and rally are way better healing than what I had as magicka dk. Is 2H and Bow comparable to this one hand and shield /2H stamina Dk? It seems like it would be squishy but have fast mobility.

Kutsuu

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Jjitsuboy98 wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Vigor/rally after igneous shield in heavy armor puts stam dk into god tier in pvp. The set up you will be using is meta. Might consider imperial for health, but redguard is better sustain.

And use vitality pots, you will never die 1v1 unless you just are a bad.

Yeah I'm stuck between Imperial and Redguard. I wanna have enough life without having to enchant with health. I'm at 13.5 k Dunmer now outside of cyrodil and without food, I figure Imperial would take care of my needs. However I wanna go redguard for the stamina return because Black Rose by itself I'm afraid won't be enough with my 500 recovery and as much as I block. I thought about going Redguard with the Lord Mundus Stone. Idk it's a real hard decision before I pay the crowns. Having no sustain is a nightmare. But these days u need higher health.

Na you should still have around 23k health if not more as a redguard. Just imperial in BR and with Bloodspawn and agility gear on i was rockin 30k health. Dont slot any health, just damage or you hit like a wet noodle. If you got tremor/viper/BR you should be good all stam.

Cool. I'll go the tower mundus then or the weapon damage one. I'm playing around with the build in duels with a purple weapon (before I go gold) and it is pretty good. Vigor and rally are way better healing than what I had as magicka dk. Is 2H and Bow comparable to this one hand and shield /2H stamina Dk? It seems like it would be squishy but have fast mobility.

2h/bow gives you some pretty unique burst opportunities with bow heavy swap into crit rush, and poison injection is amazing. However using 2h as your main melee DPS can be rough against players who are good at avoiding WBs. Your best bet is to experiment.

Xvorg

Rohaus wrote: »

Perma block Mag DK is far superior to Stam DK in every way. As stam DK, you lose access to what makes a Mag DK so powerful... talons being one of the biggest AND tons of AoE damage.

A stam DK has what? Caltrops?

Perma block DK is pigeon holed to Back Rose and S/B for obvious reasons, while stam DK has more options.

TiberiusTryton

I just got back to the game from a pretty long break. I am currently struggling not to go stam DK route although it does have some appeal. I just believe as a DK going to stam basically takes all the class abilities off your bar.

Jjitsuboy98

TiberiusTryton wrote: »

I just got back to the game from a pretty long break. I am currently struggling not to go stam DK route although it does have some appeal. I just believe as a DK going to stam basically takes all the class abilities off your bar.

I recently went stam after years of Magicka. It is way better. I can actually kill people quickly now. I still like Magicka better for sure though. They just need a better heal and burst damage with mobility.

Adenoma

StamDK is hands down more powerful than magicka DK. I play my magDK for small groups as a CC/AOE/perma-block utility tank. It excells in that roll. But if I am looking to open world solo or 2vX I find it pretty lackluster relative to my StamDK. Sustain-wise, 5/1/1 magDK in heavy pales in comparison to a Redguard stamDK.

Jjitsuboy98

Adenoma wrote: »

StamDK is hands down more powerful than magicka DK. I play my magDK for small groups as a CC/AOE/perma-block utility tank. It excells in that roll. But if I am looking to open world solo or 2vX I find it pretty lackluster relative to my StamDK. Sustain-wise, 5/1/1 magDK in heavy pales in comparison to a Redguard stamDK.

I was trying Redguard Stamina DK but switched to Imperial because I felt like the 3 percent stamina return every 4 seconds was not as good as the max health. A lot of times I am blocking anyways and I can just weave in a full heavy attack in every now and again. Idk maybe it's just preference.

Toast_STS

Immovablestone wrote: »

Well, you're talking about going from arguably the worst setup (heavy MDK) to one of the current best *** broken metas (proctard stam DK). So of course it will be easier to play. Your burst will be in another league, and your mobility will be increased as you'll have much better gap closer options and far more stamina to play with.

I've personally done both, and throw DK super-tank on top of the pile. I always come back to my heavy MDK, the playstyle is just so snazzy, and who doesn't like burninating all the things??

The choice and the path are yours, young padawan.

+1 for burninate