Procs set aren't the problem. YOU ARE!!!

LegacyDM

Got your attention? Good. Now go look in the mirror. If your complaining about proc sets your most likely one of the following:

1. A damage min maxer with no health. Of course your going to die. You die to the slightest breeze of wind.
2. A troll tank with 75k. Your contributing to the proc meta and encouraging min maxers to use proc sets for that extra damage boost.

Bugs aside, (e.g. Viper procing on lethal arrow) proc sets are fine.

Fix the bugs, build a balanced toon, and shut the front door. Seriously, How many of you have a balanced toon?

The only time I get killed by proc sets is by a ganking nb from stealth built to do 1 shots. Otherwise the normal player doesn't usually kill me with proc sets. You know why? Because I invest in health, shield appropriately with healing ward, move out of the way when I see 3 giant balls floating towards me, invest in self healing capabilities, run impen, and invest appropriately in cps.

If your a potatoe l2p. proc sets are fun. They provide spontaneous reaction and keep you on your toes. They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity. Fix the bugs and focus on the real issues plaguing cyrodil. Why do we have 75k troll tanks and min maxers?

Sandman929

You're missing the complaint about proc sets entirely. Sets that proc direct damage aren't good for competitive PvP because they add damage that isn't directly related to player input. A fight shouldn't be a battle between armor sets, but with these high damage proc sets that what a lot of fights come down to.
Procs should buff damage potential, not direct damage and if armor is accounting for 50% of a players damage output then it's their armor that is winning, not the player.

Rohamad_Ali

Proc sets are not fine dude , they're bugged . That's the issue . You shouldn't get a proc from weapon swapping . You should never get a double proc ever and Melee procs should never proc from a ranged attack . When you have entire groups using these it is a huge problem , not the players . Don't point fingers at players at thing ZOS already acknowledged as broken .

FriedEggSandwich

LegacyDM wrote: »

Got your attention? Good. Now go look in the mirror. If your complaining about proc sets your most likely one of the following:

1. A damage min maxer with no health. Of course your going to die. You die to the slightest breeze of wind.
2. A troll tank with 75k. Your contributing to the proc meta and encouraging min maxers to use proc sets for that extra damage boost.

Bugs aside, (e.g. Viper procing on lethal arrow) proc sets are fine.

Fix the bugs, build a balanced toon, and shut the front door. Seriously, How many of you have a balanced toon?

The only time I get killed by proc sets is by a ganking nb from stealth built to do 1 shots. Otherwise the normal player doesn't usually kill me with proc sets. You know why? Because I invest in health, shield appropriately with healing ward, move out of the way when I see 3 giant balls floating towards me, invest in self healing capabilities, run impen, and invest appropriately in cps.

If your a potatoe l2p. proc sets are fun. They provide spontaneous reaction and keep you on your toes. They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity. Fix the bugs and focus on the real issues plaguing cyrodil. Why do we have 75k troll tanks and min maxers?

*If you're a potato

You're combining 'you' and 'are' so it becomes 'you're'.

You're welcome.

threefarms

fart?

Sandman929

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

Got your attention? Good. Now go look in the mirror. If your complaining about proc sets your most likely one of the following:

1. A damage min maxer with no health. Of course your going to die. You die to the slightest breeze of wind.
2. A troll tank with 75k. Your contributing to the proc meta and encouraging min maxers to use proc sets for that extra damage boost.

Bugs aside, (e.g. Viper procing on lethal arrow) proc sets are fine.

Fix the bugs, build a balanced toon, and shut the front door. Seriously, How many of you have a balanced toon?

The only time I get killed by proc sets is by a ganking nb from stealth built to do 1 shots. Otherwise the normal player doesn't usually kill me with proc sets. You know why? Because I invest in health, shield appropriately with healing ward, move out of the way when I see 3 giant balls floating towards me, invest in self healing capabilities, run impen, and invest appropriately in cps.

If your a potatoe l2p. proc sets are fun. They provide spontaneous reaction and keep you on your toes. They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity. Fix the bugs and focus on the real issues plaguing cyrodil. Why do we have 75k troll tanks and min maxers?

*If you're a potato

You're combining 'you' and 'are' so it becomes 'you're'.

You're welcome.

You just proc'd a contraction.

Armitas

We just want a healthy balance. Proc sets are fun but they shouldn't stack with similar proc types. You shouldn't be able to stack two damage proc sets. There shouldn't be any high damage upfront damage procs sets at all, that is just asking for broken stealth openers. Active player input should never drop to 20% of a death log.

They need to diversify the paradigm for these sets and move some of them away from "% chance to create X" to something more static like "x% more damage from dots" or "when you do X you also do Y". Both examples are augmented forms of active combat rather than automatic combat. The number of available proc sets has far exceeded a healthy scope for a "% chance to create" paradigm.

bellanca6561n

If you have armor that plays the game for you.....

Wreuntzylla

LegacyDM wrote: »

2. A troll tank with 75k. Your contributing to the proc meta and encouraging min maxers to use proc sets for that extra damage boost.

You aren't going to beat a half awake 60-70k tank with troll proc builds. You can with non-troll proc sets. The high health builds are a reaction to proc sets, not a motivator.

Thelon

LegacyDM wrote: »

proc sets are fun. They provide spontaneous reaction and keep you on your toes. They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity.

Sandman929

LegacyDM wrote: »

They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity.

This part was pretty funny. There sure are a lot of "theorycrafted" builds based around choosing which damage set to equip. Do I want my armor to proc this damage or that damage? So much variety.

Sets that proc potential that the player has to use abilities to capitalize on allow for build diversity and theorycrafting...not choosing between free damage sets.

Solariken

A player with 1 proc set is generally fine and I agree that it adds some fun, but multiple damage proc sets cause a serious problem in PvP especially when multiple proctatoes are focusing one person.

Viper needs to be changed though. That much free damage on top of something like Incap is toxic and borderline game-breaking. It's poison damage anyway, they should change it into a DOT.

yodased

Not to mention out of stealth bonuses, meaning you can have an entire bushel of proctatoes waiting to pounce like the spuds they are.

I am the problem though, I admit you are correct in that because for some ungodly reason I still hit L and then E.

Should know better by now really.

MickeyBN

A player running Viper/Veli/Widowmaker is not fine dude, not when you can literally one shot players and 60% of that damage came from the pants you're wearing.

Adapting to certain play styles in PvP is one thing, being forced to wear Heavy armour to counter cheese procs is just bad design and not what I signed up for.

olsborg

Sandman929 wrote: »

You're missing the complaint about proc sets entirely. Sets that proc direct damage aren't good for competitive PvP because they add damage that isn't directly related to player input. A fight shouldn't be a battle between armor sets, but with these high damage proc sets that what a lot of fights come down to.
Procs should buff damage potential, not direct damage and if armor is accounting for 50% of a players damage output then it's their armor that is winning, not the player.

This, procc sets need to go to keep competetive pvp. Procc sets just reduce pvp to rng.

AverageJo3Gam3r

I am a mDK, so I've always had to run a balanced build. My unbuffed stats are 30k health, 40k magicka, 13k stamina, 1200 magRecovery, and 2200 spell damage. No glass cannons here.

My issue with proc sets are when multiple people target you. 1v1, please keep your proc set since you're at a disadvantage. Your proc set only works every 4 seconds, but my armor bonuses are always in effect (trainee+silks of the sun). In Xv1 situations, however, proc sets become unfair. When you die because two people decided to crit rush you and get double viper + velidreth procs...that's unfair because there is literally nothing I can do to prevent that death.

Kutsuu

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

I am a mDK, so I've always had to run a balanced build. My unbuffed stats are 30k health, 40k magicka, 13k stamina, 1200 magRecovery, and 2200 spell damage. No glass cannons here.

My issue with proc sets are when multiple people target you. 1v1, please keep your proc set since you're at a disadvantage. Your proc set only works every 4 seconds, but my armor bonuses are always in effect (trainee+silks of the sun). In Xv1 situations, however, proc sets become unfair. When you die because two people decided to crit rush you and get double viper + velidreth procs...that's unfair because there is literally nothing I can do to prevent that death.

Well... technically the crit rush has a massive telegraph in that you get gap closer snared - it makes a swirling effect around your feet and you can FEEL it until they connect with you. I kinda enjoy the gap closer snare because it tells me when to dodge or block.

mtwiggz

This must be a troll post. Right? ...right?

Alucardo

Proc sets are aight, but not being able to stack them. That's the only problem I have with them.

DannyLV702

I know you are but what am I

Armitas

Thelon wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

proc sets are fun. They provide spontaneous reaction and keep you on your toes. They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity.

Still loling from that.

dpencil

Alucardo wrote: »

This, procc sets need to go to keep competetive pvp. Procc sets just reduce pvp to rng.

But hey, at least ZOS has listened to the player feedback! They've heard how incredibly happy the player base is with RNG, so they gave us more RNG in our armor too!

AverageJo3Gam3r

@Kutsuu crit rush was only an example...

Brutusmax1mus

Tremor scale needs it's slow toned down. Maybe 2 seconds long so there is some counter. The Tremor scale and trap Beast combo abuse is getting very old too

Mysteri0n

tremor tool tip says it procs when using a taunt so if you can't taunt player it shouldn't work, fun set but needs to be fix, if you magic base just use the set with a staff and use the undaunted taunt

Bakven

LegacyDM wrote: »

Got your attention? Good. Now go look in the mirror. If your complaining about proc sets your most likely one of the following:

1. A damage min maxer with no health. Of course your going to die. You die to the slightest breeze of wind.
2. A troll tank with 75k. Your contributing to the proc meta and encouraging min maxers to use proc sets for that extra damage boost.

Bugs aside, (e.g. Viper procing on lethal arrow) proc sets are fine.

Fix the bugs, build a balanced toon, and shut the front door. Seriously, How many of you have a balanced toon?

The only time I get killed by proc sets is by a ganking nb from stealth built to do 1 shots. Otherwise the normal player doesn't usually kill me with proc sets. You know why? Because I invest in health, shield appropriately with healing ward, move out of the way when I see 3 giant balls floating towards me, invest in self healing capabilities, run impen, and invest appropriately in cps.

If your a potatoe l2p. proc sets are fun. They provide spontaneous reaction and keep you on your toes. They allow for great theory crafting and build diversity. Fix the bugs and focus on the real issues plaguing cyrodil. Why do we have 75k troll tanks and min maxers?

You sir are a potatoe
Build diversity? How can you even pretend to think that? tremorscale + viper + blackrose = what everyone is running. How is that diverse?

Lokey0024

Soooo, put all proc sets on a CD. Only allow 1 per every x seconds or attacks.

Malamar1229

your post procd a few lolz

Kryptonite_Kent

MickeyBN wrote: »

A player running Viper/Veli/Widowmaker is not fine dude, not when you can literally one shot players and 60% of that damage came from the pants you're wearing.

Adapting to certain play styles in PvP is one thing, being forced to wear Heavy armour to counter cheese procs is just bad design and not what I signed up for.

Actually you pointed out 2 entirely different current problems... proc sets came AFTER heavy armor cheese builds, so that claim is irrelevant.

1. Proc sets are broken by design, you shouldn't be able to stack 2-3 proc sets on 1 build and you shouldn't get more damage from proc sets than from abilities, it should be a small added bonus not your main source of damage.

2. Heavy armor builds (which were already becoming a problem before the 1stamriprocel) are also broken by design and should have a damage debuff, not a damage buff, heavy armor is meant for tanking not damage dealing.

Juhasow

@LegacyDM this thread is troll one right ?

FloppyTouch

This is a troll post I assume