The Unholy Herdsman - Thelon's Pet Build (Homestead)

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Thelon wrote: »

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Do you think infused on big pieces is better? Since we have lots of max magic and it'll stack? Or more spell crit better?

I prefer the extra spell Crit from Divines as it nets more damage + self-healing. Go infused if you like to rely more on shields + pet damage. Both are totally viable and the differences are fairly negligible.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Do you recommend this for VMA? (I'm very experienced in VMA just curious how it does.)

Yes, this build is great for vMA, and that's where I do a bunch of my testing.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

If you're cheap and don't want "chain chug" pots 24/7, what would you recommend dropping for inner light? Also would you recommend double betting inner light and maybe dropping twilight (mainly in maelstrom)?

If you drop the Twilight Matriarch, you lose access to your burst heal, so I don't recommend this unless your grouped or highly proficient at vMA. Instead of double-barring Inner Light put it on the front bar only and try Haunting Curse on the back.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

One last question: have you tried this build for soloing bosses in IC districts for telvar farm? How does it do? And potentially could put Imperial physique set with necropetence or would it be best to leave sets as they are?

Yes, I've soloed all IC bosses with this build, and it makes for a really good Tel Var farm if you don't get pvp'd in the process. If a particular boss is troublesome, bring the Clannfear instead of Volatile Familiar. I've never used Imperial Physique but I'm skeptical that it would out DPS Ilambris + Infalliable Aether.

Good luck out there!!!

Cool thanks for the info and quick reply

Vahrokh

Deleted comment, because if they read it, they'll nerf the build

Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Hey I have another question on the weapon/gear slots after watching your video.

I have all staffs in sharpened: Maelstrom Lightning and fire.
Infallible Aether lightning.

So of these, it seems your IA front bar with Fire MAstaff back bar.

Does the MA staff enchant work whilst on the IA staff bar? Also I really really like lightning blockade for aoe when using MA lightning staff.

the_eso_fan

Hey Thelon, is the familiar successfully tanking for you or are you having to run around like a maniac .. and are you therefore using the clannfear in those cases?

Thelon

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Does the MA staff enchant work whilst on the IA staff bar? Also I really really like lightning blockade for aoe when using MA lightning staff.

@Wrecking_Blow_Spam

Yes, the enchant applies even after you switch bars. This is why most builds back bar their vMA staff.

I hear you on the Lightning Blockade - the new Vulnerability debuff is awesome. The reason I stick to Fire Blockade is the synergy it has with Ilambris. Without Fire Blockade, the builds lacks enough flame damage to proc Llambris consistently enough for my liking, and this shows in both single target and AoE DPS tests.

gard

Doesn't shock proc ilambris?

Thelon

@gard

All three elements (fire, lightning and ice) proc Llambris. The point is that the more types of damage you apply on a consistent basis, the more frequently you will proc Llambris. Running all lightning damage won't cut it!

dpencil

The loss of the Fire proc on Ilambris is less than the gain from Vulneravility and Exploiter, by a lot. I am running double lightning with Ilambris now.

Thelon

@dpencil

Could you PM me your solo DPS screenshots on the 6mil target dummy? I'd like to compare to my testing

gard

According to the tooltip, Ilambris can be procced by shock or fire. No mention of ice there. Oversight? Or reality?

I've observed that both storms can be active simultaneously. Each effect can proc once every six seconds.
I guess the question is, are we using force pulse enough to proc the opposite element from elemental blockade, or do we also need to be light attacking with a staff of the opposite damage type to gain decent uptime on both storms.

Molydeus

How does this build compare to Erraln's The Culmination: Summoner Damage Dealer?

gard

Molydeus wrote: »

How does this build compare to Erraln's The Culmination: Summoner Damage Dealer?

Thelon's seems more about survivability and doing content solo. The other one is more strictly dps, would be rough without a healer.

Synroth

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

Hey I have another question on the weapon/gear slots after watching your video.

I have all staffs in sharpened: Maelstrom Lightning and fire.
Infallible Aether lightning.

So of these, it seems your IA front bar with Fire MAstaff back bar.

Does the MA staff enchant work whilst on the IA staff bar? Also I really really like lightning blockade for aoe when using MA lightning staff.

Jealous. I've only been able to get charged VMA Staves so far..

The struggle is real, and the farming will continue.

I will mention that this build is fantastic for VMA though. Just swap a few skills out here and there depending on the Stage.

Vahrokh

Have you seen the incoming nerfs to regen shown at PAX?

Will we need to grind just another, umpteenth new set of gear?

sync

I wish you could get the Necropotence set in the free Overlands sets you get with a template character on the test server.

sync

What kind of dps would you get with the poor man setup?

Vahrokh

sync wrote: »

What kind of dps would you get with the poor man setup?

15k.

gard

Edit - wrong thread

Vitalist

@Thelon
Hi! How it is better to pass from "Poor Man’s Set-Up" to "End-Game Set-Up"? In data the moment at me х5 Seducer (Light, Divines), Helm Ilambris (Heavy, not Divines), Shoulders Torug’s Pact (Medium, Divines), х2 Staff of Torug’s Pact. All "Purple". Started Necropotence search (so far only Boots, not Divines). On Divines I will collect everything not soon - there is a sense to pass to Necropotence not Divines and to gradually replace them?
Thanks for attention and sorry for my English)

Vahrokh

sync wrote: »

What kind of dps would you get with the poor man setup?

15k.

Vitalist wrote: »

@Thelon
Hi! How it is better to pass from "Poor Man’s Set-Up" to "End-Game Set-Up"? In data the moment at me х5 Seducer (Light, Divines), Helm Ilambris (Heavy, not Divines), Shoulders Torug’s Pact (Medium, Divines), х2 Staff of Torug’s Pact. All "Purple". Started Necropotence search (so far only Boots, not Divines). On Divines I will collect everything not soon - there is a sense to pass to Necropotence not Divines and to gradually replace them?
Thanks for attention and sorry for my English)

You can easily get a starter Necropotence set with bad stats:

- by looking on guild stores. There's usually 1-2 wrong enchantment / stat green item for sale for 1-2k.
- by farming Rivenspire delves / dolmens (jewelry), public dungeon and world bosses. I found out I get 1 Necropotence item every 5-7 kills, usually with wrong stats. But at least I could quickly throw a set together to get the bonuses.
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sync

Tamriel Trade Centre
You can try that link to find gear with Divines. But you have to be quick. Traders snatch up the reasonably priced gear right away and then sell it at a much higher price.

Thelon

Vahrokh wrote: »

Have you seen the incoming nerfs to regen shown at PAX?

Will we need to grind just another, umpteenth new set of gear?

@Vahrokh

I'm pretty confident that this build could function after regen nerfs without a total rework of the gear sets. Some options could include:

- Switch Thief Mundus for Atronach

- Add one or two regen glyphs to jewelry

- Switch blue food for purple drink (Witchmothers)

- Switch Ilambris for Engine Guardian

Vahrokh

Thelon wrote: »

Vahrokh wrote: »

Have you seen the incoming nerfs to regen shown at PAX?

Will we need to grind just another, umpteenth new set of gear?

@Vahrokh

I'm pretty confident that this build could function after regen nerfs without a total rework of the gear sets. Some options could include:

- Switch Thief Mundus for Atronach

- Add one or two regen glyphs to jewelry

- Switch blue food for purple drink (Witchmothers)

- Switch Ilambris for Engine Guardian

Thank you! I am especially concerned about having to spend countless hours re-re-re-re-re-re-re-grinding my gear.
I can only play 2 hours a day, came back to ESO a couple of weeks ago, I might not even have the time to get the whole Necropotence set and make it "gold" before ZOS drops some game balance nuclear strike that would render my effort useless.
Considering I've quit ESO over this 2 years ago, I would not exactly be happy to see my face slammed every time I try come back to play this game!

Dao_Jones

the_eso_fan wrote: »

Hey Thelon, is the familiar successfully tanking for you or are you having to run around like a maniac .. and are you therefore using the clannfear in those cases?

Curious to see an answer on this, as well. I like the AoE threat of the VF, but I really want a tanky pet for solo play against big boss-types. If I have to kite bosses all day then I'm not sure why I'd use pets at all.

Thelon

@Dao_Jones
@the_eso_fan

Go for the Unstable Clannfear if you're looking for a reliable​ heal-tank. The Volatile Familiar is recommended in general since a dedicated tank is only necessary​ for the game's most difficult content

the_eso_fan

Ya, I've done vet fungal 1 and coh 1 with the familiar and it never aggros, so I have to keep moving. But with the familiar damage I find I'm able to take the bosses down quicker than with the clannfear.

Dao_Jones

Thank you, @Thelon

the_eso_fan wrote: »

Ya, I've done vet fungal 1 and coh 1 with the familiar and it never aggros, so I have to keep moving. But with the familiar damage I find I'm able to take the bosses down quicker than with the clannfear.

So, in your experience the Familiar is a preferable go-to over the Clannfear, even though you lose the ability to take the heat off by having a tanky pet? Is this pure solo play, or with others?

the_eso_fan

@Dao_Jones

Pure solo play. There's a lot more kiting but I prefer the damage of the familiar. I forgot about vet vault of madness. Again, for those tests, I was able to kite and use the familiar.

sync

I'm using the Clanfear but so far I'm not impressed with its ability to tank.

Vahrokh

sync wrote: »

I'm using the Clanfear but so far I'm not impressed with its ability to tank.

I am tanking world bosses, public dungeon bosses and instance bosses with it, I am impressed!

Of course there are bosses with special mechanics / gimnicks and 1-shot tricks where it won't work so good.