Destro ult on a stam build= Pvp broken?

Gamerscape2007

I know this sounds absurd, but hear me out. Now I know that Ult scales with the highest stat, may it be a magicka based, or physical based, and I think most people that are forgetting here is that Weapon ults are no different. This leads me to the Destro ult, Eye of the storm. This ult is already powerful, with dealing a whooping 50k in pvp. I mean, sure, magicka based players would be able to buff it with elemental expert... but even without that, I fear what would happen if Stam players got a hold of this. Stam builds are already the meta of this game, and the destro ult might be that Cheesy cherry on top that would break everything.

You could argue that if I were to use the destro ult, that I would sacrifice a couple of few thing, and you may be right. But I don't think this should be ignored. I'm sure I'm opening a can of worms by telling you guys all of this, maybe I'm wrong and it isn't worth it. Just a haunch is all.

leepalmer95

So they give up a weapon slot,

For an ult which scales off weapon crit
And weapon penetration
Which will be 25% weaker compared to it's magicka version
Which will be between 2% - 7% weaker because of racials.

If i used the desto ult on my stam dk it'll be 33% weaker than my magicks one because cp + racial.

DKsUnite

*equips destro on stam DK*

FriedEggSandwich

Maybe if you didn't need to slot a useless weapon to use it, as it is I reckon you have nothing to worry about.

thankyourat

On a stam build it will hit a little harder than bat swarm on a mag build since the base damage of bat swarm is around 40% less than the base damage of the destro ultimate. It wouldn't be all that op

Prabooo

last night I got hit 26.6K dmg by a Stamsorc...

Prabooo

Prabooo wrote: »

last night I got hit 26.6K dmg by a Stamsorc...

with destro ult

ostrapz

Fought stamsorc with it yesterday. Sustain was fine cuz of darkdeal, tanky cuz of blackrose, didnt need 2h for major brutality cuz of crit surge. Oh btw he was using tremorscale to snare you before his ult dropped, and yes it hurts even on stam builds. He was actually winning duels with this build against actually pvpers

Minalan

Prabooo wrote: »

last night I got hit 26.6K dmg by a Stamsorc...

That's about 10K less than a magicka build.

Unless you're a stage four or in light armor, you're only going to take 3-5K each tick from EoTS depending on if you're running medium or heavy. There are 7 ticks. I won't insult you by doing the elementary math.

Hint: it's not 50K+. Please. I'm trying hard not to make fun. Most of us have plenty of CP into Elemental defender and resistant. Hyperbole again..

CatchMeTrolling

Most people don't know how to pvp, so I disagree with the above statement. The actual pvp player's in this game is minuscule compared to pve player's and for every 10 experienced player's there's 50 inexperienced player's or people just imitating what the top players are doing aka meta player's.

DKsUnite

Minalan wrote: »

Prabooo wrote: »

last night I got hit 26.6K dmg by a Stamsorc...

That's about 10K less than a magicka build.

Unless you're a stage four or in light armor, you're only going to take 3-5K each tick from EoTS depending on if you're running medium or heavy. There are 7 ticks. I won't insult you by doing the elementary math.

Hint: it's not 50K+. Please. I'm trying hard not to make fun. Most of us have plenty of CP into Elemental defender and resistant. Hyperbole again..

i took 41k from a lightning EoTS last night. I was fighting 4/5 people at the time so i was rooted and took the full force of it. I am in no way a squishy target (5H w/ major buffs, 72 in ele defend, 2.5k crit resist) so it's not really hyperbole.

Prabooo

i reckon I was wearing all medium, but regardless that was savage... not asking for a nerf tho, I only encourage the discussion so we can learn about counters

Biro123

ostrapz wrote: »

Fought stamsorc with it yesterday. Sustain was fine cuz of darkdeal, tanky cuz of blackrose, didnt need 2h for major brutality cuz of crit surge. Oh btw he was using tremorscale to snare you before his ult dropped, and yes it hurts even on stam builds. He was actually winning duels with this build against actually pvpers

I main a stamsorc - and used to use blackrose/viper long before it became 'meta' (without a monster proc set tho.). So, let me debunk some myths..

Sustain fine with dark-deal... Only if you let him! If you interrupt it - and he is relying on that for sustain (as I do) - he WILL run out of stam really quick and WILL then drop very quickly.

Tanky coz of blackrose.... Not really. On its own, 5 piece heavy gives around 16k resists. Can lose around 10k of that easily with a penetrating trait and major fracture. Blackrose is more like a damage-dealing heavy set. It adds nothing to survivability other than the standard stuff for all heavy armour (which on its own isn't all that much).

Don't need 2-h for major brutality.. Yep. That's the main reason I stamsorc tbh.. I hated having to be forced to run 2-h for that buff. ofc. it means losing the great heal you get with rally and the great 2-h finishers - but it does give more build option. Not sure if that makes them stronger than other classes though?

Tremorscale is nasty, yes. Especially the snare.

He was actually winning vs pvpers..? Are you sure he wasn't a pvper? I'd be surprised if he wasn't with blackrose. (btw, how can you tell he is running blackrose?)

Leandor

There's a famous blob on PC-EU that since 1T has everyone run Eye of Storm except for negates and 1 standard if you corner them.

Makes me wonder if all of them really switched over to magicka just for that ult.

I guess it's long since become meta. Forum just now caught up.

CapuchinSeven

I've run Viper on a Magblade and it did better than when I was running magic sets. Not arguing against the point but just saying, it's not like this crap is new.

EdgarLecter

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Now I know that Ult scales with the highest stat, may it be a magicka based, or physical based

I didn't know about that. So we know dawnbreaker scales off of spell damage and magicka(when those are higher). But how about penetration? Does it use spell penetration when it scales off of spell damage or still uses physical penetration since it does physical damage ?

Derra

Biro123 wrote: »

I main a stamsorc - and used to use blackrose/viper long before it became 'meta' (without a monster proc set tho.). So, let me debunk some myths..

Sustain fine with dark-deal... Only if you let him! If you interrupt it - and he is relying on that for sustain (as I do) - he WILL run out of stam really quick and WILL then drop very quickly.

Well there are certain stamsorcs that are unable to sustain with darkdeal because they don´t los you. But interrupting a class that has a permanent 70% snare active on you while also being able to teleport behind line of sight objects is unrealistic at best.

What tops it off is dark deal having no cost when interrupted meaning when they use it in combination with a cc immunity potion they can basically spam it until a cast goes through.
With the skill being 1s cooldown and the game being as laggy as it is - even when you spam them with interrupt abilities about every second cast of dark deal will complete nonetheless (and that´s being a stupid stamsorc who does not teleport and line of sight you to use it - or cc you and use it which also is not mechanically possible to interrupt).

Biro123

Yeah, you're right ofc.. I'm more an open world player than a dueller so usually just rely on backing off out of range / behind others/los to dark deal (usually using bow roll-dodge passive for major expedition). I don't run tremorscale, but yeah, that snare would be big in getting DD's off.

I don't run streak either.. never really tried it(and always struggle for slots), but always figured that using up your already small magicka pool to get into position to be able to use up your magicka to dark-deal doesn't seem too viable.

I also use crit-surge rather than a 2-hander/rally for major brutality/background heals- another magicka-based ability (which uses almost half my magicka pool per cast). Streak sounds more workable for a 2-h build - for that reason alone.

That leaves Reverberating bash for the stun. That's my only flex spot. For open world, i'll often run restraining prison instead. It just seems better at draining stam from magicka users and at wall breaches etc. Magicka again, bit I'll use it more when on the offensive and biding my time as opposed to when low on stam.

But yeah, I can see for a 1v1-focused setup, all the tools are there for using it. So you're right. It's not always as easy as just interrupting..

Minalan

EdgarLecter wrote: »

Gamerscape2007 wrote: »

Now I know that Ult scales with the highest stat, may it be a magicka based, or physical based

I didn't know about that. So we know dawnbreaker scales off of spell damage and magicka(when those are higher). But how about penetration? Does it use spell penetration when it scales off of spell damage or still uses physical penetration since it does physical damage ?

It still scales off of physical pen and mighty CP. Neither of which a magicka character stacks.

silky_soft

Stamsorc+br+agility+helmset. 37 into elemental. Theif, 33% crit chance across the board. Vma 2h + lightening destro back bar.

Stoopid_Nwah

ostrapz wrote: »

Fought stamsorc with it yesterday. Sustain was fine cuz of darkdeal, tanky cuz of blackrose, didnt need 2h for major brutality cuz of crit surge. Oh btw he was using tremorscale to snare you before his ult dropped, and yes it hurts even on stam builds. He was actually winning duels with this build against actually pvpers

Lol sounds like morning kush.

For the record, I'm having a blast using it on my stamblade. Not bothered about losing the bow and ambush keeps me on top of enemies.

Wreuntzylla

The highest damage I have taken in 1-tammy is from the destro ult, and it was about 20k on my low resist from CP spec. If you are getting hit for much more than that, well, it's the tradeoff for whatever silly build you are running.

The only thing that needs fixing is negate. Turn that things effect to bright orange please.

Gorilla

silky_soft wrote: »

Stamsorc+br+agility+helmset. 37 into elemental. Theif, 33% crit chance across the board. Vma 2h + lightening destro back bar.

33 a low or I misunderstood?

Edziu

silky_soft wrote: »

Stamsorc+br+agility+helmset. 37 into elemental. Theif, 33% crit chance across the board. Vma 2h + lightening destro back bar.

ulti scaling to your max stat...so why it should be as spell crit on stam build while dmg to rhis is scaling from your max stam and weapon dmg just excluding cp

WuffyCerulei

The damage from the destro ultimate does hella more if you're a magicka build, as you focus way more on elemental damage (shock, frost, and fire).

WuffyCerulei

silky_soft wrote: »

Stamsorc+br+agility+helmset. 37 into elemental. Theif, 33% crit chance across the board. Vma 2h + lightening destro back bar.

That's a low crit chance. A stam sorc can easily get 70+% crit chance with good weapon damage.