Can DKs get the Standard of Might turned into Eye of the Storm?!

Lokey0024

It has Lower Dmg and utility. 10/10 would use.

Alucardo

Excuse me?

Tryxus

Eye of the Storm shouldn't exist in the 1st place

Def do not want a Cheese Storm DK version

NBrookus

Standard is very powerful at choke points IF someone picks up that shackle.

I'd much rather see the destro ult require similar coordination for it to be more than "meh". But the direction of the game is toward dumbification so I don't expect that to happen.

Lokey0024

Been saying a standard should stick to the dk instead of being planted. Whichever one doesnt effect pve so much. Was assuming standard of might because the near 100% uptime of shifting standard is great for pve.

With healing being as strong as it is, and no execute for magika, think this would be a good move.

lolo_01b16_ESO

What? Leavy my standart alone. If you want eye of strom, then use that, but don't dare messing around with standart. Especially not if you are talking about the standart of might morph, if you want to make it stronger in mobile pvp fights, then take shifting standart.

Lokey0024

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

What? Leavy my standart alone. If you want eye of strom, then use that, but don't dare messing around with standart. Especially not if you are talking about the standart of might morph, if you want to make it stronger in mobile pvp fights, then take shifting standart.

Y doh?

Xvorg

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

AverageJo3Gam3r

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

CapuchinSeven

...or they could just slot a staff and use both...?

Asardes

You have shifting standard which is a bit weaker, but cheaper and can be moved around.

Lokey0024

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

Mr_Apollo

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I remember reading somewhere or hearing, that ZoS wanted to make DK more unique by not giving them executes, absolutely ridiculous...I miss an execute for that class...

Lokey0024

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I remember reading somewhere or hearing, that ZoS wanted to make DK more unique by not giving them executes, absolutely ridiculous...I miss an execute for that class...

Yea, kind of thought it was a joke. It wasnt. Seems like the devs either dont play the game except for in groups of 10+ or even worse, dont understand core concepts of builds. They seem to be under the notion that classes should only have 1 role via class abilities, and where swaying mdk to be healers/support (?! See cauterize, igneous, armernments, and stonefist?!) . these has been the most recent additions.

Mr_Apollo

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I remember reading somewhere or hearing, that ZoS wanted to make DK more unique by not giving them executes, absolutely ridiculous...I miss an execute for that class...

Yea, kind of thought it was a joke. It wasnt. Seems like the devs either dont play the game except for in groups of 10+ or even worse, dont understand core concepts of builds. They seem to be under the notion that classes should only have 1 role via class abilities, and where swaying mdk to be healers/support (?! See cauterize, igneous, armernments, and stonefist?!) . these has been the most recent additions.

Ive always told myself that DKs are very versatile, I have a dragonknight as a tank and a dragonknight as a healer and I know it can deal very high amount of DPS, I think that's where it compensates the execute. The fact it has a TON of support abilities

Minalan

The answer is no. Slot a destro staff like everyone else.

The only reason anyone would ask this is because the destro staff itself is a pretty garbage weapon.

Xvorg

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Where do I sign for that?

Xvorg

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I still don't get DKs need for an execute... NBs hardly use the one they have. Sorcs have it in a passive form and jesus beam is a completely different animal.

If Zos makes an execute for DKs it should follow the impale/killer's blade idea rather than jesus beam idea. And people is not going to use it beacuse it dmg is peanuts with the BS debuff.

Mr_Apollo

Xvorg wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I still don't get DKs need for an execute... NBs hardly use the one they have. Sorcs have it in a passive form and jesus beam is a completely different animal.

If Zos makes an execute for DKs it should follow the impale/killer's blade idea rather than jesus beam idea. And people is not going to use it beacuse it dmg is peanuts with the BS debuff.

Actually...Mages Wrath...is...a sorc execute...

Xvorg

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I still don't get DKs need for an execute... NBs hardly use the one they have. Sorcs have it in a passive form and jesus beam is a completely different animal.

If Zos makes an execute for DKs it should follow the impale/killer's blade idea rather than jesus beam idea. And people is not going to use it beacuse it dmg is peanuts with the BS debuff.

Actually...Mages Wrath...is...a sorc execute...

mages wrath is not an execute. It is used as an execute but is way better.

mages wrath can be used efficiently at the beginning or the end of a fight. An execute is only useful at the end.

Instead of an execute, DKs should ask for major defile on a spammable skill (searing strike imho), which makes DoTs more effective

Mr_Apollo

Xvorg wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I still don't get DKs need for an execute... NBs hardly use the one they have. Sorcs have it in a passive form and jesus beam is a completely different animal.

If Zos makes an execute for DKs it should follow the impale/killer's blade idea rather than jesus beam idea. And people is not going to use it beacuse it dmg is peanuts with the BS debuff.

Actually...Mages Wrath...is...a sorc execute...

mages wrath is not an execute. It is used as an execute but is way better.

mages wrath can be used efficiently at the beginning or the end of a fight. An execute is only useful at the end.

Instead of an execute, DKs should ask for major defile on a spammable skill (searing strike imho), which makes DoTs more effective

Just like every ability deals damage when cast, yet an execute is good because the damage increases when the enemy reaches a certain percentage, that's what makes it an execute. Templar beam deals damage initially, so does Assassins blade, and so does the 2handed execute.

NBrookus

Xvorg wrote: »

Instead of an execute, DKs should ask for major defile on a spammable skill (searing strike imho), which makes DoTs more effective

That, or a strong DoT that can't be purged or purified.

Xvorg

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I still don't get DKs need for an execute... NBs hardly use the one they have. Sorcs have it in a passive form and jesus beam is a completely different animal.

If Zos makes an execute for DKs it should follow the impale/killer's blade idea rather than jesus beam idea. And people is not going to use it beacuse it dmg is peanuts with the BS debuff.

Actually...Mages Wrath...is...a sorc execute...

mages wrath is not an execute. It is used as an execute but is way better.

mages wrath can be used efficiently at the beginning or the end of a fight. An execute is only useful at the end.

Instead of an execute, DKs should ask for major defile on a spammable skill (searing strike imho), which makes DoTs more effective

Just like every ability deals damage when cast, yet an execute is good because the damage increases when the enemy reaches a certain percentage, that's what makes it an execute. Templar beam deals damage initially, so does Assassins blade, and so does the 2handed execute.

How much dmg does assa blade? 5K? In pvp is halved by BS and then you have to consider mitigation.

JB is strong because it starts to escalate on 50% health and has up to an extra 20% dmg based on your current magicka.

Lokey0024

Minalan wrote: »

The answer is no. Slot a destro staff like everyone else.

The only reason anyone would ask this is because the destro staff itself is a pretty garbage weapon.

Or dks dont have a spamable heal, cloak, streak, or anything to get out of harms way. Why do you think NBs are having a shitfit about cloak not working?

Lokey0024

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Mr_Apollo wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Can NBs get VoB turned into Eye of the Storm?

Can sorcs get negate turned into eye of the storm? Can Templars get nova turned into eye of the storm?

Each class has a ground based aoe ult. No need to treat DKs differently. (Changing eruption to follow the player, now that's a different story....)

Every class also has an execute. O, wait, no they dont. So to finish mdk has to use a, what?

Dont even try to defend how balanced everything is to keep the advantage. Its this kind of shortsighted oppinions that get op abilities put in, by not thinking about fair and just whining.

I remember reading somewhere or hearing, that ZoS wanted to make DK more unique by not giving them executes, absolutely ridiculous...I miss an execute for that class...

Yea, kind of thought it was a joke. It wasnt. Seems like the devs either dont play the game except for in groups of 10+ or even worse, dont understand core concepts of builds. They seem to be under the notion that classes should only have 1 role via class abilities, and where swaying mdk to be healers/support (?! See cauterize, igneous, armernments, and stonefist?!) . these has been the most recent additions.

Ive always told myself that DKs are very versatile, I have a dragonknight as a tank and a dragonknight as a healer and I know it can deal very high amount of DPS, I think that's where it compensates the execute. The fact it has a TON of support abilities

The high dps doesnt translate to pvp very well. Mdk is a slow burn class, and healing outpaces dots. Mdk has been reduced to using super ult combos to combat this, negating the battle roar passives because ults get sat on for combos.

i thought it would be good as a 250 cost ult that utilizes dot dmg, gives bonus dmg and dmg reduction, and defile.Yet the skill is completely useless in pvp because its stationary, even tho it sounds great on paper.

Compair it to incap. Does roughly same dmg, major defile, 20% dmg bonus, not completely useless. And best part is, setting it above others, low cost and dmg dealt all at the same time. Plays to the strengths of the class.

Stapes

I'd love to see standard of might return to what it used to be originally. I think it had:

- Increased radius
- Snare
- Increased damage over time

There were no zerg troubles before dragon knights got nerfed! Coincidence? I think not! Players could group together so much and run in balls because they were one dk standard away from a wipe! Players used to melt in standards!

Also revert Cider storm back to its original state. That might be where the snare came from but its been so long now I cant recall I do remember having lots of trouble getting out of the radius though! But that is why its useless now in pvp, its too easy to get out of and groups run right through it.

Cinder storm > Standard of Might > Burning Talons = zerg busted

#BringBackTheMagDK #HereComesThePain #BringBalanceBackToTheForce

On the topic of an execute - Dk's Never needed one in the original setup of the game. That's why they never had one. The skills from day one were all good enough to compensate but with the changes made to the game (Champion points, sets, nerfs, buffs, etc) it may well be needed. Dk's never complained about it in the early days

AzuraKin

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Been saying a standard should stick to the dk instead of being planted. Whichever one doesnt effect pve so much. Was assuming standard of might because the near 100% uptime of shifting standard is great for pve.

With healing being as strong as it is, and no execute for magika, think this would be a good move.

rofl, you either lacking in fundamental knowledge of dk skills, or you are just trolling, but here you go. reason why NOT to make standard an aura: shifting mother-*** standard allows the standard to be moved 1 time during its life span refreshing the time of the ultimate at the new location at a lower cost then the other morph. with base time of 15s this means that shifting standard if timed right can easily be one of the longest up time ultimates availabe in the game, as only warhorn being longer at 39s premorph. this is on top of the damage per second, the heal debuff, and the high damage synergy damage (dont knwo if it refreshes synergy if it used before the shift buf it it does refresh the synergy damage when you shift it, that even stronger utility of the dk ultimate).

the only class ultimate that you could argue should be changed to an aura is the nightblade shadow tree ultimate morph:bolstering darkness. and reason for this is lets compare it with shifting standard. shifting standard costs 200 ult, grants 30s of ult time, heal debuffs enemy, allows high damage synergy, can be moved during fight to another location, vs bolstering darkness, which does zero damage, only debuffs damage to allies by 30% (same as other morph that does do damage) and allows synergy to allies under 50% granting a solid heal (other morph does this as well). and a movement speed debuff that again is all morphs. so the only benefit to bolstering darkness is an additional 30% reduction of damage to caster, this makes bolstering darkness the most underpowered ultimate in the game. no damage, no real debuff to enemy, synergy heals that dependent on health loss to activate is counter to the game's dynamic which is fast-paced combat, you would litterally 1. be standing in it constantly (pvp battles move constantly) and 2 you would have to be spamming the synergy bind. so unlike shifting standard which does damage, heal debuffs enemies, allows for another ally to do a high damage aoe synergy, bolstering darkeness does a 60% damage reduction to caster as the only worthwhile aspect to note. thus this is one ability that arguably could be changed into an aura around caster. by doing so it would actually make it worthwhile for nb's to use. by making it an aura, nb's now can choose between doing damage but not havingit move, or it do no damage and it mvoes with them. by having it move as an aura it puts it in line with dk's magma armor. while magma armor would reduce damage by an greater extent then bolstering darkness can, it only lasts 9s vs 17s bolstering darkness. while magma armor can be morphed to do poisen damage + ignore phys resist on user's attacks, or grant a damage shield to allies for 100% of thier health (this is in line with power of bolstering darkness synergy heal in terms of power, utility, and use) and fire damage. and for those who will complain oh this would make it too op, no it wouldnt, if you think making bolstering darkness (an ultimate no self-respecting nb is using) into an aura, then you havent seen siphon ultimate builds in pvp. all it would do is give nb's a tanking ultimate they can use in pvp where veil of blades and bolstering darkness is completely useless since sorcs can just pop thier ult and erase them and thus the ultimates are completely wasted, whereas even 2s of a dk standard can shift the scales of a battle.

Lokey0024

AzuraKin wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Been saying a standard should stick to the dk instead of being planted. Whichever one doesnt effect pve so much. Was assuming standard of might because the near 100% uptime of shifting standard is great for pve.

With healing being as strong as it is, and no execute for magika, think this would be a good move.

rofl, you either lacking in fundamental knowledge of dk skills, or you are just trolling, but here you go. reason why NOT to make standard an aura: shifting mother-*** standard allows the standard to be moved 1 time during its life span refreshing the time of the ultimate at the new location at a lower cost then the other morph. with base time of 15s this means that shifting standard if timed right can easily be one of the longest up time ultimates availabe in the game, as only warhorn being longer at 39s premorph. this is on top of the damage per second, the heal debuff, and the high damage synergy damage (dont knwo if it refreshes synergy if it used before the shift buf it it does refresh the synergy damage when you shift it, that even stronger utility of the dk ultimate).

the only class ultimate that you could argue should be changed to an aura is the nightblade shadow tree ultimate morph:bolstering darkness. and reason for this is lets compare it with shifting standard. shifting standard costs 200 ult, grants 30s of ult time, heal debuffs enemy, allows high damage synergy, can be moved during fight to another location, vs bolstering darkness, which does zero damage, only debuffs damage to allies by 30% (same as other morph that does do damage) and allows synergy to allies under 50% granting a solid heal (other morph does this as well). and a movement speed debuff that again is all morphs. so the only benefit to bolstering darkness is an additional 30% reduction of damage to caster, this makes bolstering darkness the most underpowered ultimate in the game. no damage, no real debuff to enemy, synergy heals that dependent on health loss to activate is counter to the game's dynamic which is fast-paced combat, you would litterally 1. be standing in it constantly (pvp battles move constantly) and 2 you would have to be spamming the synergy bind. so unlike shifting standard which does damage, heal debuffs enemies, allows for another ally to do a high damage aoe synergy, bolstering darkeness does a 60% damage reduction to caster as the only worthwhile aspect to note. thus this is one ability that arguably could be changed into an aura around caster. by doing so it would actually make it worthwhile for nb's to use. by making it an aura, nb's now can choose between doing damage but not havingit move, or it do no damage and it mvoes with them. by having it move as an aura it puts it in line with dk's magma armor. while magma armor would reduce damage by an greater extent then bolstering darkness can, it only lasts 9s vs 17s bolstering darkness. while magma armor can be morphed to do poisen damage + ignore phys resist on user's attacks, or grant a damage shield to allies for 100% of thier health (this is in line with power of bolstering darkness synergy heal in terms of power, utility, and use) and fire damage. and for those who will complain oh this would make it too op, no it wouldnt, if you think making bolstering darkness (an ultimate no self-respecting nb is using) into an aura, then you havent seen siphon ultimate builds in pvp. all it would do is give nb's a tanking ultimate they can use in pvp where veil of blades and bolstering darkness is completely useless since sorcs can just pop thier ult and erase them and thus the ultimates are completely wasted, whereas even 2s of a dk standard can shift the scales of a battle.

Yea, no.

Duration doesnt make it any better, pop shuffle/mist and get out of it in less then a second. You obviously dont know wtf you are talking about as far as dks go.

Maybe you know NB, the wallotext (tldr) regarding the bolstering darkness being more deserving of this remedy my main indication, but that still doesnt address MDK lack of synergy within class skills. A sub par resto healer with limited/no viable self heal. Really?

ZOS has been on a fix it mission the last couple patches. I hope this is something they address. Just asking for easily implimented changes to bolster a floundering class.

GreenSoup2HoT

Or they could just nerf EotS.

Lokey0024

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Or they could just nerf EotS.

Yea needs to be toned down a bit imo. But according to the internet, you're wrong and sorcs need nerfed

GreenSoup2HoT

Lokey0024 wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Or they could just nerf EotS.

Yea needs to be toned down a bit imo. But according to the internet, you're wrong and sorcs need nerfed

A bit , more like they gotta revert to the old damage model (same damage as bat swarm but twice the duration).