blur and its morphs vs shuffe?

pcar944

just exploring my options here, but I tried using Blur last night (unmorphed) - and I found out that I didn't have to cast my shield nearly as often as normal

does Blur work same way as Shuffle?

what is a 20% chance to dodge? does that mean its for the whole duration of the spell? or only on first attack that connects?

SodanTok

Yes, both work same way (Major Evasion buff).
You have 20% chance to dodge any (dodgeable) attack targeted at you for whole duration of the buff

Stoopid_Nwah

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

Kutsuu

Same Buff. Mirage at max level has longer duration than shuffle by I think 5-6 seconds. I use Double Take when I don't have an assassination ability on my buff far, or when I want a magicka-based dodge buff, or when I need a magicka-based speed buff. This ends up being about 99% of the time I am using Double Take instead of Shuffle.

Kutsuu

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and it's morphs.

Major Evasion is Major Evasion. They both give it.

Stoopid_Nwah

Kutsuu wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and it's morphs.

Major Evasion is Major Evasion. They both give it.

Do you need the definition of "conspiracy theory"?

pcar944

seems like Double Take would be a better morph

does either pull out of stealth?

Kutsuu

pcar944 wrote: »

seems like Double Take would be a better morph

does either pull out of stealth?

Neither do

Kutsuu

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and it's morphs.

Major Evasion is Major Evasion. They both give it.

Do you need the definition of "conspiracy theory"?

I don't agree with your conspiracy theory. Sorry.

Stoopid_Nwah

Kutsuu wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and it's morphs.

Major Evasion is Major Evasion. They both give it.

Do you need the definition of "conspiracy theory"?

I don't agree with your conspiracy theory. Sorry.

Good for you?

And to OP, I do prefer double take over mirage, but if you're ever going to switch to stamina based I would say go with shuffle instead. Then you can save your limited magicka for cloaking, shadow image, siphoning attacks, mass hysteria, etc. Plus the snare removal from shuffle is nice.

Also, if you wanted to use shuffle on your magicka nb, I'd suggest getting the max passive unlocked in your champion point trees called unchained (in the orange trees, the lady I believe). Then you can cast it for a fairly cheap cost after breaking cc.

pcar944

I re-rolled my Stamblade into Magblade, so its a Magicka evasion skill for me

and I took double take, because in stealth, with a pot or with a cloak, the movement is crazy (Vamp also)

CapuchinSeven

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

Stoopid_Nwah

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

I knew I wasn't the only one it doesn't stop me from using double take on my magblade, but still. Something fishy seems to be going on there, and one day I will test it!

Scrippie10

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

I knew I wasn't the only one it doesn't stop me from using double take on my magblade, but still. Something fishy seems to be going on there, and one day I will test it!

Lol I agree with your theory. I've ran both shuffle and double take and for some reason shuffle seems to proc much more often than double take. Regardless of both having the 20% dodge chance. That's why I'll run shuffle over it, regardless of me being a magblade.

Bazeric

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

I knew I wasn't the only one it doesn't stop me from using double take on my magblade, but still. Something fishy seems to be going on there, and one day I will test it!

Are we starting a cult/club for this then? Because I am another believer. Though I think the secret to shuffle is pairing it with sprint and dodge roll, which isn't something my magblade does/can do often. So the true conspirators are the ones who know that evasion only works while sprinting. It also feels like any single target CC will hit me through double take and it's not noticeable using shuffle. Of course neither are prefect, nor work as well for me as they do for the enemy I fight. The snare immunity timer on shuffle doesn't work against NPCs or zergs.

Strider_Roshin

They're equally as effective for dodge chance. However, being immune to roots and snares is invaluable.

SodanTok

Scrippie10 wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

I knew I wasn't the only one it doesn't stop me from using double take on my magblade, but still. Something fishy seems to be going on there, and one day I will test it!

Lol I agree with your theory. I've ran both shuffle and double take and for some reason shuffle seems to proc much more often than double take. Regardless of both having the 20% dodge chance. That's why I'll run shuffle over it, regardless of me being a magblade.

People keep saying that, yet nobody has ever done any test (nobody that had test that showed shuffle is better). The difference of shuffle vs double take would have to be bigger than few % to be noticeable. And as such, it would be more prominent in all the test (even if they test small sample).

Stoopid_Nwah

Bazeric wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

I knew I wasn't the only one it doesn't stop me from using double take on my magblade, but still. Something fishy seems to be going on there, and one day I will test it!

Are we starting a cult/club for this then? Because I am another believer. Though I think the secret to shuffle is pairing it with sprint and dodge roll, which isn't something my magblade does/can do often. So the true conspirators are the ones who know that evasion only works while sprinting. It also feels like any single target CC will hit me through double take and it's not noticeable using shuffle. Of course neither are prefect, nor work as well for me as they do for the enemy I fight. The snare immunity timer on shuffle doesn't work against NPCs or zergs.

The conspiracy club is official then . If properly performed tests were done though, we could see if the percentages are in essence the same (double take vs shuffle) and if so, then make assumptions as to why it feels different. My guess is the same as yours; adding in dodge rolls with sprinting and snare removal makes shuffle seem much more effective. I'd wager if cloak removed snares and wasn't countered by every skill in the game, that double take in conjunction with cloak would feel just as useful if not more.

thankyourat

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Bazeric wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Same buff as above poster said, but I have some serious suspicions/a conspiracy theory that I dodge more with shuffle when compared with blur and its morphs.

I run a Magblade and a Stamblade and I always, constantly think the same thing.
I try not to think about it too much though, testing RNG is a pain and takes forever to do it right.

Hard not to anecdotally think so though.

I knew I wasn't the only one it doesn't stop me from using double take on my magblade, but still. Something fishy seems to be going on there, and one day I will test it!

Are we starting a cult/club for this then? Because I am another believer. Though I think the secret to shuffle is pairing it with sprint and dodge roll, which isn't something my magblade does/can do often. So the true conspirators are the ones who know that evasion only works while sprinting. It also feels like any single target CC will hit me through double take and it's not noticeable using shuffle. Of course neither are prefect, nor work as well for me as they do for the enemy I fight. The snare immunity timer on shuffle doesn't work against NPCs or zergs.

The conspiracy club is official then . If properly performed tests were done though, we could see if the percentages are in essence the same (double take vs shuffle) and if so, then make assumptions as to why it feels different. My guess is the same as yours; adding in dodge rolls with sprinting and snare removal makes shuffle seem much more effective. I'd wager if cloak removed snares and wasn't countered by every skill in the game, that double take in conjunction with cloak would feel just as useful if not more.

I'm on the make cloak remove snares band wagon