PvP nightblade attacks

Devlin69

Ok so I am a magica DK, the trouble I am having is that nightblades are doing so much damage from stealth that I dont get a chance to react. As a DK is there anything in my defensive spells that will counter or negate some of this damage, like dragon fire scales or obsidian sheild?

The trouble is I do not know what the nightblade attacks are classed as so am having trouble deciding what defense to use. Is it just magic damage or as they are launching themselves from stealth is it projectile damage etc etc

Mauz

radiant magelight

GreenSoup2HoT

Mauz wrote: »

radiant magelight

Exactly this. This ability makes you pretty much gank proof. Doesnt mean you will survive though. If a nb is smart they will notice there attack has not stunned and apply another stun and follow up damage.

Your chances of reacting and countering with heals and your own cc/damage is high though.

The problem with this ability is you do need to sacrifice i skill for it. Which many players will not do.

Kutsuu

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Mauz wrote: »

radiant magelight

Exactly this. This ability makes you pretty much gank proof. Doesnt mean you will survive though. If a nb is smart they will notice there attack has not stunned and apply another stun and follow up damage.

Your chances of reacting and countering with heals and your own cc/damage is high though.

The problem with this ability is you do need to sacrifice i skill for it. Which many players will not do.

Well it does provide major prophecy and it procs Might of the Guild... extremely useful for empowering a big hit such as leap. If you're not willing to "sacrifice" a skill for defense, then maybe don't complain?

Devlin69

Ok thanks for that, I had to reset morphs to get it but yes I agree it looks like radiant magelight is the best route.

Also what skills put another player off balance?

Knootewoot

Devlin69 wrote: »

Ok so I am a magica DK, the trouble I am having is that nightblades are doing so much damage from stealth that I dont get a chance to react. As a DK is there anything in my defensive spells that will counter or negate some of this damage, like dragon fire scales or obsidian sheild?

The trouble is I do not know what the nightblade attacks are classed as so am having trouble deciding what defense to use. Is it just magic damage or as they are launching themselves from stealth is it projectile damage etc etc

99% of the time it is a Stamblade (you might want to change the topic title to this) and you need to defend to physical damage and poison damage.

Alucardo

Mauz wrote: »

radiant magelight

While this is a great utility, the problem mdks have is space on their bar. They are the only class that has to make sacrifices in order to be useful in PVP. Slotting magelight would just put them back even further.

Kutsuu

Alucardo wrote: »

Mauz wrote: »

radiant magelight

While this is a great utility, the problem mdks have is space on their bar. They are the only class that has to make sacrifices in order to be useful in PVP. Slotting magelight would just put them back even further.

Yep no other class has to give up a different ability in order to slot magelight. Good point.

GreenSoup2HoT

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Mauz wrote: »

radiant magelight

Exactly this. This ability makes you pretty much gank proof. Doesnt mean you will survive though. If a nb is smart they will notice there attack has not stunned and apply another stun and follow up damage.

Your chances of reacting and countering with heals and your own cc/damage is high though.

The problem with this ability is you do need to sacrifice a skill for it. Which many players will not do.

Well it does provide major prophecy and it procs Might of the Guild... extremely useful for empowering a big hit such as leap. If you're not willing to "sacrifice" a skill for defense, then maybe don't complain?

Im sorry but the way you worded your comment sounds like your saying i am complaining which i am not.

I was just mentioning that some people are not willing to sacrifice the slot for the ability.

You are right though, anyone who complains about getting ganked is at fault when the tools to prevent death are avalible ("Radiant Mage Light").

GreenSoup2HoT

O yeah @Devlin69 , Talons is really good against nightblades. It locks them in place and even works against cloaked players if they are within the radius.

With Radiant Mage Light you can prevent night blades from cloaking which is how they mitigate DoT damage. So load them up with DoTs and watch them slowly die while you prevent them from cloaking or moving.

Kutsuu

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Mauz wrote: »

radiant magelight

Exactly this. This ability makes you pretty much gank proof. Doesnt mean you will survive though. If a nb is smart they will notice there attack has not stunned and apply another stun and follow up damage.

Your chances of reacting and countering with heals and your own cc/damage is high though.

The problem with this ability is you do need to sacrifice a skill for it. Which many players will not do.

Well it does provide major prophecy and it procs Might of the Guild... extremely useful for empowering a big hit such as leap. If you're not willing to "sacrifice" a skill for defense, then maybe don't complain?

Im sorry but the way you worded your comment sounds like your saying i am complaining which i am not.

I was just mentioning that some people are not willing to sacrifice the slot for the ability.

You are right though, anyone who complains about getting ganked is at fault when the tools to prevent death are avalible ("Radiant Mage Light").

Yeah good point, that wasn't really directed at you - moreso at all the people I've seen on the forums saying "I shouldn't have to slot a defensive ability" over the years. I'm just a little jaded. Lol

Gilvoth

Devlin69 wrote: »

Ok so I am a magica DK, the trouble I am having is that nightblades are doing so much damage from stealth that I dont get a chance to react. As a DK is there anything in my defensive spells that will counter or negate some of this damage, like dragon fire scales or obsidian sheild?

The trouble is I do not know what the nightblade attacks are classed as so am having trouble deciding what defense to use. Is it just magic damage or as they are launching themselves from stealth is it projectile damage etc etc

if i cast invisibility and then immediatly launch lotus fan on you, then it will take me out of stealth and i will loose that "attack from stealth" bonus.
i know this because of testing it on both mobbs and also friends in pvp. i am taken out of stealth if i use that skill.
the only bonus i get from doing that to you "in pvp" is the attack if done within 3 seconds allways grants a crit. but 98% of people in cryodiil are wearing impen trait on thier armor. so, thats not doing as much damage as it could.
its main purpose is to stun you so you cant react fast enough, then i get a 1 second chance to unload on you all i can before you get up and heal / block / defend and begin your attack back at me.
by that point in the fight it is clear that if your not atleast down to 15% or lower then i will probably die trying to complete the fight.

from what your describing sounds like your being attacked by more then 1 nightblade.
sounds like a "Gank" attacking you from stealth of 2 or more nightblades.

your not getting our full attack damage on the first hit. try to regain your health as fast as possible and return mass damage to me and i will run and try to stealth, and if you see me ddoing that then you know im a dead man. i lost the chance to take you out in my 1st 2 seconds of the fight.

Gilvoth

allways wear atleast 3 or more pieces of impenatrable trait on your armor in pvp. if you dont, then youll be dead every time someone attacks you from stealth.

Gilvoth

here is the description of the skill i think you are refering to and what it does.

Cast Time 0.4 seconds
Target Enemy
Range 22 meters
Cost 393 Magicka
Flash through shadows to the target and unleash a fan of knives, dealing 8 Magic Damage to all nearby enemies and 6 Magic Damage more over time.
Affected enemies also have their movement slowed by 70% for 6 seconds.

i think what happens to 75% of people in pvp is that all they hear is this Loud Sound of the attack and then immediatly hear and see alot of attacks happening to them and then thier dead!
what people are experiancing is just plain fear of the attack. thier not immediatly breaking free of the attack and defending / healing themselves.
thus, you got assassinated!
how to stop it? wear impen trait on all your armor and learn to react ASAP! and get me off you!
if you do that then im a dead man because nightblades are not built to fight toe to toe. we die at the drop of a feather.

Kutsuu

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

O yeah @Devlin69 , Talons is really good against nightblades. It locks them in place and even works against cloaked players if they are within the radius.

With Radiant Mage Light you can prevent night blades from cloaking which is how they mitigate DoT damage. So load them up with DoTs and watch them slowly die while you prevent them from cloaking or moving.

Can you explain how cloak mitigates dot damage? I'm intrigued.

GreenSoup2HoT

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

O yeah @Devlin69 , Talons is really good against nightblades. It locks them in place and even works against cloaked players if they are within the radius.

With Radiant Mage Light you can prevent night blades from cloaking which is how they mitigate DoT damage. So load them up with DoTs and watch them slowly die while you prevent them from cloaking or moving.

Can you explain how cloak mitigates dot damage? I'm intrigued.

Cloak suppresses all DoT damage for the duration your cloaked. It doesn't say that on the Tooltip but it does do that. Before Imperial City, Dark Cloak used to remove 4 negative effects from you. This in my opinion was what made a nightblade fun to play, they were very hard to pin down because you needed to burst them to kill them. You could always purge DoT's and Debuff's with cloak. After cloak got reworked, they changed Dark Cloak to give Minor Protection and made Cloak's base skill unmorphed suppress all dot's for the duration instead of the morph dark cloak removing negative effects. Nightblade's now can use the crit morph which is nice but i honestly would prefer the old dark cloak.

Hopefully that clears everything up for you.

Kutsuu

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

O yeah @Devlin69 , Talons is really good against nightblades. It locks them in place and even works against cloaked players if they are within the radius.

With Radiant Mage Light you can prevent night blades from cloaking which is how they mitigate DoT damage. So load them up with DoTs and watch them slowly die while you prevent them from cloaking or moving.

Can you explain how cloak mitigates dot damage? I'm intrigued.

Cloak suppresses all DoT damage for the duration your cloaked. It doesn't say that on the Tooltip but it does do that. Before Imperial City, Dark Cloak used to remove 4 negative effects from you. This in my opinion was what made a nightblade fun to play, they were very hard to pin down because you needed to burst them to kill them. You could always purge DoT's and Debuff's with cloak. After cloak got reworked, they changed Dark Cloak to give Minor Protection and made Cloak's base skill unmorphed suppress all dot's for the duration instead of the morph dark cloak removing negative effects. Nightblade's now can use the crit morph which is nice but i honestly would prefer the old dark cloak.

Hopefully that clears everything up for you.

Didn't know about dot suppression, that's good to know. I figured you were referring to the old days when it actually stripped negative effects.

bellanca6561n

I posed a similar question on how to deal with these December 7th players. Every day is Pearl Harbor day for these folks.

Although it's reasonable to allow buffed attacks out of stealth it's poor multiplayer game design. Stealth is a role. Its benefit is intel and reconnaissance. But this is not a multiplayer game design.

runningtings

I play NB and for the most part can sneak in and out for an attack. Sometimes that's unsuccessful due to shields or similar but I can generally get away again almost unscathed.

If I get caught out though its game over, I just can't get away quick enough.

Alucardo

runningtings wrote: »

If I get caught out though its game over, I just can't get away quick enough.

Shadow Image has you covered there.

runningtings

Alucardo wrote: »

runningtings wrote: »

If I get caught out though its game over, I just can't get away quick enough.

Shadow Image has you covered there.

Hmm aye, good point. I'll try and work on that, cheers

altemriel

shadow image is a great addition to the build, especially its port back to shadow feature. I saw some nice video from Sypher and his tower fun with shadow