Today's PVP Vendor

Minalan

If you don't have all of your proc sets yet, you will now!

Gold necklace of the Red Mountain
Selene's helmet
Velidreth's helmet

Lol. Troebel'ed.

leepalmer95

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Stoopid_Nwah

When I saw that today I left Cyrodiil and logged out. Surprised the vendor hasn't been updated to just sell pre-made meta boxes full of all the stam meta's needs: vipers, tremor/velidreth/selene, widowmakers, a sharpened 2h and bow (maelstrom obviously), maybe a golded out set of eternal hunt and black rose...

DPG76

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

When I saw that today I left Cyrodiil and logged out. Surprised the vendor hasn't been updated to just sell pre-made meta boxes full of all the stam meta's needs: vipers, tremor/velidreth/selene, widowmakers, a sharpened 2h and bow, maybe a golded out set of eternal hunt and black rose...

i have no words for it

Minalan

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

When I saw that today I left Cyrodiil and logged out. Surprised the vendor hasn't been updated to just sell pre-made meta boxes full of all the stam meta's needs: vipers, tremor/velidreth/selene, widowmakers, a sharpened 2h and bow, maybe a golded out set of eternal hunt and black rose...

Nope... Free gold viper rings was last week!

Next week? I'm calling it now.

Tremorscale Helm
Gold Widowmaker ring
Velidreth shoulder

NBrookus

DPG76 wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

When I saw that today I left Cyrodiil and logged out. Surprised the vendor hasn't been updated to just sell pre-made meta boxes full of all the stam meta's needs: vipers, tremor/velidreth/selene, widowmakers, a sharpened 2h and bow, maybe a golded out set of eternal hunt and black rose...

i have no words for it

I do, but they will get me banned.

Guess they are trying to make up for all those weeks magicka could get their Maw of the Infernal helms.

zuto40

Wrobeled again

WillhelmBlack

LOL

#Wroblstomp

Kas

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

raasdal

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

WillhelmBlack

When are we getting gold Infallible Aether rings ZOS?

Kas

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

we've (i didn't do the tests myself but trus tmy guildmates reports) experimented with those sets and neither la-skill-bash 1/s builds, nor flurry, nor regular builds, nor steel tornado spamming stamsorcs in grp, had meaningful damage output with it (RM). Widowmaker was how you describe RM: situational and great in some builds (very bad in others, especially on jabbing stamplar ofc) and viper + monster sets were simply amazing. Even high damage percentage from single target procs in AoE fights (4v8 etc, didn't really test in zerg v zerg).

Waffennacht

And for Xbox?

raasdal

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

we've (i didn't do the tests myself but trus tmy guildmates reports) experimented with those sets and neither la-skill-bash 1/s builds, nor flurry, nor regular builds, nor steel tornado spamming stamsorcs in grp, had meaningful damage output with it (RM). Widowmaker was how you describe RM: situational and great in some builds (very bad in others, especially on jabbing stamplar ofc) and viper + monster sets were simply amazing. Even high damage percentage from single target procs in AoE fights (4v8 etc, didn't really test in zerg v zerg).

Well, dont understand your results with Flurry. In this specific case, you trust guildies too much ...

Flurry is the Key to RM / Way Of Fire.

Each individual (5 total) hits from Flurry, counts as a hit. So ONE single 0,7 Sec channel of Flurry has a collective 50% chance to proc RM. So when you spam Flurry, you WILL be getting a RM proc around every 3 seconds. Personally tested this repeatedly. Now add in just one more DoT, like Blood Craze, and you will very often see RM going off every 2 sec back to back.

Stoopid_Nwah

Waffennacht wrote: »

And for Xbox?

Same stuff listed above + some additional items I can't recall. Everyone in Haderus was flocked around there, gotta get those l33t procs in though, amirite?

Waffennacht

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

And for Xbox?

Same stuff listed above + some additional items I can't recall. Everyone in Haderus was flocked around there, gotta get those l33t procs in though, amirite?

You're right...
*inches towards Cyrodiil*
No one should buy these...
*gains a little speed*
I'm selling this very moment 10 tmpering alloy for 19k ea on a completely unrelated reason...
*Runs*

Kas

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

we've (i didn't do the tests myself but trus tmy guildmates reports) experimented with those sets and neither la-skill-bash 1/s builds, nor flurry, nor regular builds, nor steel tornado spamming stamsorcs in grp, had meaningful damage output with it (RM). Widowmaker was how you describe RM: situational and great in some builds (very bad in others, especially on jabbing stamplar ofc) and viper + monster sets were simply amazing. Even high damage percentage from single target procs in AoE fights (4v8 etc, didn't really test in zerg v zerg).

Well, dont understand your results with Flurry. In this specific case, you trust guildies too much ...

Flurry is the Key to RM / Way Of Fire.

Each individual (5 total) hits from Flurry, counts as a hit. So ONE single 0,7 Sec channel of Flurry has a collective 50% chance to proc RM. So when you spam Flurry, you WILL be getting a RM proc around every 3 seconds. Personally tested this repeatedly. Now add in just one more DoT, like Blood Craze, and you will very often see RM going off every 2 sec back to back.

he used it in a roaming 4man grp where we were massively outnumbered. he ended up channelling and hitting full flurry's very rarely. viper, on the other hand, procs all the time if you have to do lots of kiting and repositioning in your battle. but maybe we didn't test it long enough. it was particularly bad for steel tornado spam though (most certainly, not every hit counted)

Stoopid_Nwah

Waffennacht wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

And for Xbox?

Same stuff listed above + some additional items I can't recall. Everyone in Haderus was flocked around there, gotta get those l33t procs in though, amirite?

You're right...
*inches towards Cyrodiil*
No one should buy these...
*gains a little speed*
I'm selling this very moment 10 tmpering alloy for 19k ea on a completely unrelated reason...
*Runs*

Hahaha yeah I won't lie I bought them in impen for if I eventually stop ganking on my magnb and make a stam character. But taking a break only to come back to the vendor selling these sets and gold mat prices going through the roof doesn't make me want to stay .

gresiac

How long do the merchants stay ?

NightSky

gresiac wrote: »

How long do the merchants stay ?

If i remember, until Maintenance.

arkansas_ESO

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

we've (i didn't do the tests myself but trus tmy guildmates reports) experimented with those sets and neither la-skill-bash 1/s builds, nor flurry, nor regular builds, nor steel tornado spamming stamsorcs in grp, had meaningful damage output with it (RM). Widowmaker was how you describe RM: situational and great in some builds (very bad in others, especially on jabbing stamplar ofc) and viper + monster sets were simply amazing. Even high damage percentage from single target procs in AoE fights (4v8 etc, didn't really test in zerg v zerg).

Well, dont understand your results with Flurry. In this specific case, you trust guildies too much ...

Flurry is the Key to RM / Way Of Fire.

Each individual (5 total) hits from Flurry, counts as a hit. So ONE single 0,7 Sec channel of Flurry has a collective 50% chance to proc RM. So when you spam Flurry, you WILL be getting a RM proc around every 3 seconds. Personally tested this repeatedly. Now add in just one more DoT, like Blood Craze, and you will very often see RM going off every 2 sec back to back.

Has somebody tried Red Mountain on a stam DK DOT build? I've always been curious how something like 5 Black Rose, 5 Red Mountain, VMSA DW would work out. I'd try it out myself if I hadn't already spent all my gold on mag DK gear.

cschwingeb14_ESO

RM procs on weapon skill damage, so class is only matters as far as whether you will be spamming class skills or not. I'd imaging that stamplars and NBs get a lot less mileage out of it than stam sorc it DKs. Because jabs and SA are so good

raasdal

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

we've (i didn't do the tests myself but trus tmy guildmates reports) experimented with those sets and neither la-skill-bash 1/s builds, nor flurry, nor regular builds, nor steel tornado spamming stamsorcs in grp, had meaningful damage output with it (RM). Widowmaker was how you describe RM: situational and great in some builds (very bad in others, especially on jabbing stamplar ofc) and viper + monster sets were simply amazing. Even high damage percentage from single target procs in AoE fights (4v8 etc, didn't really test in zerg v zerg).

Well, dont understand your results with Flurry. In this specific case, you trust guildies too much ...

Flurry is the Key to RM / Way Of Fire.

Each individual (5 total) hits from Flurry, counts as a hit. So ONE single 0,7 Sec channel of Flurry has a collective 50% chance to proc RM. So when you spam Flurry, you WILL be getting a RM proc around every 3 seconds. Personally tested this repeatedly. Now add in just one more DoT, like Blood Craze, and you will very often see RM going off every 2 sec back to back.

he used it in a roaming 4man grp where we were massively outnumbered. he ended up channelling and hitting full flurry's very rarely. viper, on the other hand, procs all the time if you have to do lots of kiting and repositioning in your battle. but maybe we didn't test it long enough. it was particularly bad for steel tornado spam though (most certainly, not every hit counted)

Well, yeah. For continued procs, in a Skirmish, Viper would better. But for controlled burst damage RM does more damage in a shorter timespan. It comes down to the build, and playstyle.

Steel Tornado is bugged with RM. You have to target the enemy, to get a proc. So does not work with that.

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

raasdal wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

let's face it:

1) a player that is held back by quickly farming helms is no threat anyway. any competent player that wants those helms gets them within 20min and a desired trait within an evening.

2) though a proc set, red mountain is bad (the difference to viper et al is exactly where you see why those other sets are considered imbalanced by so many. just try both for half an hour and watch damage recaps / combat analytics)

--> no big deal. if anything, last week's viper rings were

Red Mountain is different than Viper. Not worse in any way. It is potentially double the damage output. But you cannot just put it on, and be amazing. You need a build focusing on that specifically ( That is why it is not used. And the fact it is fire damage, so only works for Stam in NO CP land.

But yeah. Funny thing - with the bew droprates i dont care about the helmet anymore. I can get that in an hour, any desired weight. But the Gold Jewelry and Shoulders. Yes please...

we've (i didn't do the tests myself but trus tmy guildmates reports) experimented with those sets and neither la-skill-bash 1/s builds, nor flurry, nor regular builds, nor steel tornado spamming stamsorcs in grp, had meaningful damage output with it (RM). Widowmaker was how you describe RM: situational and great in some builds (very bad in others, especially on jabbing stamplar ofc) and viper + monster sets were simply amazing. Even high damage percentage from single target procs in AoE fights (4v8 etc, didn't really test in zerg v zerg).

Well, dont understand your results with Flurry. In this specific case, you trust guildies too much ...

Flurry is the Key to RM / Way Of Fire.

Each individual (5 total) hits from Flurry, counts as a hit. So ONE single 0,7 Sec channel of Flurry has a collective 50% chance to proc RM. So when you spam Flurry, you WILL be getting a RM proc around every 3 seconds. Personally tested this repeatedly. Now add in just one more DoT, like Blood Craze, and you will very often see RM going off every 2 sec back to back.

Has somebody tried Red Mountain on a stam DK DOT build? I've always been curious how something like 5 Black Rose, 5 Red Mountain, VMSA DW would work out. I'd try it out myself if I hadn't already spent all my gold on mag DK gear.

Tried it. Works well, but for me, not as well as StamSorc with similar setup. Simply due to better mobility. But if you are willing to play into it completely, it is Beast.