Warlock or Lich?

speeez

For pvp, which set do you think is better?

HoloYoitsu

Warlock

Warlock.

When you get that low on mag it's typically from being pressured, you tend to need it right away in that situation, not over the Lich regen period. Of course from pure numbers, since Lich regen boost can be further boosted by other regen boost buffs, it'll give you more resources over all.

Burst > Ticks for pvp

(Personally though, I would use Trainee over either)

Sublime

Lich

Warlock: 9k per 60s -> 150 regen
Lich: 1036 regen for 20s per 60s

Multipliers:

• CP: ~20%
• Minor Intellect: 10%
• Major Intellect: 20%
• Ressource Buff: 20%
• Light Armor Passive5*4%=20%

Total: 90%

(If you have 7 light pieces, Altmer and 100 CP perks you can get up to 1.12% additional regen, with Support or Mage's Guild skills even more.)

1036*1.9=1968

Amount of regen ticks:
20/2=10
=>19'684/60=328 regen

TL;DR: Over the course of the whole fight Lich is more as twice as effective as Warlock. Also, at the momen the proc activates you will have between 3k and 4k magicka regeneration, so you can spam whatever skill you want and will not run out of magicka. Additionally you have at least 10k (30k/3.3=10) magicka left, so there is no immediate need for magicka, making Lich superior in all situations.

Kas

Lich

it's not "all situations".

1) A fight that finishes shortly after such a proc can mean that lich's regen hasn't caught up yet

2) either set can, and should, be run so that it is only completed on one bar (because the 5 piece is just as effective if you do it). like that, or if you already had one proc earlier in the fight, it is possible that your magicka boost activates while you're much closer to 0 and actually need a burst for crucial skills.

That said, I still prefer lich because of the higher amount and because those two are both border-cases (thoughI don't think you should include minor intellect and resource buff as well, that's not really realistic).

Sublime

Lich

Kas wrote: »

1) A fight that finishes shortly after such a proc can mean that lich's regen hasn't caught up yet

True, but then the fight didn't end because of a lack of Magicka. So the additional immediate Magicka didn't give you an advantage that could be translated into results, meaning you don't loose anything by using Lich. The only situation where one set outperforms the other, is Lich being better at extended fights or several small fights in a row.

TreeHugger1

Lich

Sublime wrote: »

Warlock: 9k per 60s -> 150 regen
Lich: 1036 regen for 20s per 60s

Multipliers:

• CP: ~20%
• Minor Intellect: 10%
• Major Intellect: 20%
• Ressource Buff: 20%
• Light Armor Passive5*4%=20%

Total: 90%

(If you have 7 light pieces, Altmer and 100 CP perks you can get up to 1.12% additional regen, with Support or Mage's Guild skills even more.)

1036*1.9=1968

Amount of regen ticks:
20/2=10
=>19'684/60=328 regen

TL;DR: Over the course of the whole fight Lich is more as twice as effective as Warlock. Also, at the momen the proc activates you will have between 3k and 4k magicka regeneration, so you can spam whatever skill you want and will not run out of magicka. Additionally you have at least 10k (30k/3.3=10) magicka left, so there is no immediate need for magicka, making Lich superior in all situations.

nvm

Ishammael

Desert Rose and Magicka Furnace are both pretty good.

Takes-No-Prisoner

Lich

I have a question about the Lich set. What would I pair it with for PVP? I have a Mag Templar, Mag DK, and Mag NB.

Micah123

Can we talk about the fact that this poll is mostly geared toward magica sorc in pvp and the two sets being discussed are based on sustain. Meanwhile over in stam land they be like "Regen, I don't care about regen. Check out my procs sets that proc procs, procity proc."

Sublime

Lich

Micah123 wrote: »

Can we talk about the fact that this poll is mostly geared toward magica sorc in pvp and the two sets being discussed are based on sustain. Meanwhile over in stam land they be like "Regen, I don't care about regen. Check out my procs sets that proc procs, procity proc."

I'd suggest you discuss this topic in one of its already existing threads, instead of hijacking this one.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I have a question about the Lich set. What would I pair it with for PVP? I have a Mag Templar, Mag DK, and Mag NB.

Depends on what kind of build you run, but for offensive build i know a that quite a lot of players combine it with Spinner's Garment. If you play on Azura Seducer or Worm might be worth a try. Otherwise I'd suggest Soulshine for Templar and Sun/Rattlecage for DK. I don't think you need Lich on DK/Templar though.

CapuchinSeven

I actually find Seducers works out better than Warlock for me, I did a small amount of testing and in the long run got more out of Seducers. The burst from Warlock is really useful in PVP though, very useful set.

Sublime

Lich

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

I actually find Seducers works out better than Warlock for me, I did a small amount of testing and in the long run got more out of Seducers. The burst from Warlock is really useful in PVP though, very useful set.

For me the thing that makes Warlock/Lich better is that you get the full benefit even if you only have the proc on the backbar, with seducer you always need to have it active if you want to profit 100% from it. This allows you to run a full monster set and two 5pc sets while using a double staff setup, very convenient for sorcerer.

CapuchinSeven

Sublime wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

I actually find Seducers works out better than Warlock for me, I did a small amount of testing and in the long run got more out of Seducers. The burst from Warlock is really useful in PVP though, very useful set.

For me the thing that makes Warlock/Lich better is that you get the full benefit even if you only have the proc on the backbar, with seducer you always need to have it active if you want to profit 100% from it. This allows you to run a full monster set and two 5pc sets while using a double staff setup, very convenient for sorcerer.

s'fair point.

ictopbasli

Why not both? I am wearing 5 Lich and 5 Warlock on Healer character.

LrdRahvin

I didn't vote because there was no option for Warlich.

leepalmer95

Lich

ictopbasli wrote: »

Why not both? I am wearing 5 Lich and 5 Warlock on Healer character.

Why though?

Ecrusted

The only time I can see warlock out perform lich is in pvp while using mist form which most mag DK and Templars use

MalakithAlamahdi

Lich

ictopbasli wrote: »

Why not both? I am wearing 5 Lich and 5 Warlock on Healer character.

Because it's overkill and you're wasting other stats for it.

aLi3nZ

Neither.

Amberplasm + spinners + 1x monster peice

exeeter702

Lich

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I have a question about the Lich set. What would I pair it with for PVP? I have a Mag Templar, Mag DK, and Mag NB.

Honestly for magNB i run lich with devines necropotence in pvp

Vaoh

Lich

Lich is better. Gains benefits from %mag regen sources.

Interesting to see if Warlock is used next patch with Ice Stave blocking builds (which halt mag regen).

DHale

Warlock

I tested both on pts this last weekend for the new magic DK coagulating blood warlock will be better.

Lexxypwns

Lich

Sublime wrote: »

Micah123 wrote: »

Can we talk about the fact that this poll is mostly geared toward magica sorc in pvp and the two sets being discussed are based on sustain. Meanwhile over in stam land they be like "Regen, I don't care about regen. Check out my procs sets that proc procs, procity proc."

I'd suggest you discuss this topic in one of its already existing threads, instead of hijacking this one.

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

I have a question about the Lich set. What would I pair it with for PVP? I have a Mag Templar, Mag DK, and Mag NB.

Depends on what kind of build you run, but for offensive build i know a that quite a lot of players combine it with Spinner's Garment. If you play on Azura Seducer or Worm might be worth a try. Otherwise I'd suggest Soulshine for Templar and Sun/Rattlecage for DK. I don't think you need Lich on DK/Templar though.

I'd recommend BSW on all magika builds, except dw sorc and nb, that are using lich, warlock, desert rose, etc. If you're only gonna run 1 damage set it needs to be bsw or you don't have enough damage.