MagNB - DW or Destro

ChefZero

Hello Guys,

what is in your opinion the futher BiS weapons for Magicka Nightblade?

Greetings ChefZero

Hexys

Destro/Restro

Destruction Staff ultimate is juicy.

ChefZero

situationally

Hexys wrote: »

Destruction Staff ultimate is juicy.

And without that ultimate?

LegacyDM

Dualwield/Restro

Dual wield swords. Get the extra damage bonus and 5 piece armor set. If your melee go vamp with concealed weapon and soul harvest. If your ranged/aoe spam swallow soul and go soul tether or batswarm..

+ swords look cooler.

CapuchinSeven

Destro/Restro

ChefZero wrote: »

Hexys wrote: »

Destruction Staff ultimate is juicy.

And without that ultimate?

It's still worth it. Between heavy attack charge from stealth into Swallow Soul, heavy attack from cloak or waved light attacks (as well as magic return on heavy attacks) it's still much better than DW even with the extra damage from a DW set and the Twin Blade and Blunt set.

thankyourat

Destro/Restro

Destro/restro is the way to go better constant dps and better sustain, dual wield is very difficult to sustain with and the extra spell damage isn't worth the extra damage you lose from light and heavy attacks

ChefZero

situationally

Last time for a year i played another type of style. Restrobar for heal and preasure and DWbar only for buffs and some burst/finishing skills. So i LA weave with restro most time and use HA for magicka, cause this build goes on max stats and less regeneration. It was a smallgrp build.

Berenhir

Destro/Restro

Resto because Restoration, not Restro. What's that supposed to abbreviate?

WildWilbur

Destro/Restro

thankyourat wrote: »

Destro/restro is the way to go better constant dps and better sustain, dual wield is very difficult to sustain with and the extra spell damage isn't worth the extra damage you lose from light and heavy attacks

^This

Lava_Croft

Magicka Melee is dead, buried and ZOS has urinated on its grave. Stick to staves.

Sandman929

Destro/Restro

Berenhir wrote: »

Resto because Restoration, not Restro. What's that supposed to abbreviate?

What's "destro" supposed to abbreviate? From now on lets all use Destru/Resto.

kylewwefan

Destro/Restro

No option for Destro/Destro?

Kutsuu

Destro/Restro

Destro/Destro is the max DPS solution in most cases, but Destro/Resto gives you health sustain at a non-substantial DPS loss.

DW just isn't worth losing the Dstaff light/heavy attacks IMO.

ChefZero

situationally

kylewwefan wrote: »

No option for Destro/Destro?

Of course, vote the last one in this case

EdTerra

destro magblade :
- good main skill (funnel) cost nothing nice passiv
- heavy attacks deal damages and give u some magicka back
- insane destro ult
- easier to play with AW imo

melee magblade :
- strong damage main skill (cw) but not even close to the stam morph, cauz nothing else than damage (no spell pen) cost is heavy for nothing
- light/heavy attack with DW -> no damage and restore stam instead of mag (swap to resto)
- no weapon ultimate
- melee playstyle > can't escape the slow/root h24 and nothing for cleanse it (well even with destro u can be slow and root but u don't need to fight close range
- no more clouding swarm (cauz yeah it was a really good ultimate for 1vX as melee magblade, now it's just buged)
- cauz of the pressure in melee fight it's harder to play with AW imo
- more sustain needed

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

destro mag blade is pretty good but with the current meta it still hard mod. Melee is challenger mod

ChefZero

situationally

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

Xvorg

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Destro/destro here

CapuchinSeven

Destro/Restro

ChefZero wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

You use Harness and a NB HOT?

ChefZero wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

100% crit chance is still pretty useful. Pop from stealth with a heavy attack weave, then cloak and heavy attack again. You'd be surprised how many idiots don't think to defend themselves when they can't see you right away.

bellanca6561n

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Dual Wield/Destruction Staff here.

Restoration staff in place of dual wield in special cases.

And, yes, the Destruction Staff ultimate is nice

ScruffyWhiskers

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Melee is dead, buried and ZOS has urinated on its grave set its corpse on fire and wouldn't bother urinating to put it out. Stick to staves.

Hey I fixed that for you.

I actually typed in DELETE on my only character last night. I couldn't bring myself to hit enter though. Some pathetic masochistic part of me hopes it might get fixed sometime down the road. I really hate where pvp is at in this game right now. I'm probably going to take a break. Might try destro with elegant + torugs for fun.

Besides the "meta" being so bad right now, I just don't like the way the game feels. I used to be able to cripple grasp/double take all around a melee fight and land a few good concealed weapons. Now everything feels like molassas. The ping meter is saying everything is fine but it really feels off since around DB dropped. Or maybe it was TG. It just doesn't feel the same.

thankyourat

Destro/Restro

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

You use Harness and a NB HOT?

ChefZero wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

100% crit chance is still pretty useful. Pop from stealth with a heavy attack weave, then cloak and heavy attack again. You'd be surprised how many idiots don't think to defend themselves when they can't see you right away.

You don't get the 100% crit chance on heavy destro attacks

CapuchinSeven

Destro/Restro

thankyourat wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

You use Harness and a NB HOT?

ChefZero wrote: »

EdTerra wrote: »

in both playstyle u will have to love zerg cauz cloak is almost useless right now, prefer to go dampen if u don't want to be instant kill by a proc set user

As rangeblade you don't need cloak, efficient purge and LoS does his job too.

100% crit chance is still pretty useful. Pop from stealth with a heavy attack weave, then cloak and heavy attack again. You'd be surprised how many idiots don't think to defend themselves when they can't see you right away.

You don't get the 100% crit chance on heavy destro attacks

yeah forgot I was in a PVP section. Let my brain get muddled. You're right it only works in PVE.

CatchMeTrolling

Dualwield/Restro

Played both melee is much better in my opinion, can kill people in seconds before they can do anything. All about the player, resto/destro just easier for the average player to use.

CapuchinSeven

Destro/Restro

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Played both melee is much better in my opinion, can kill people in seconds before they can do anything. All about the player, resto/destro just easier for the average player to use.

Sorry but, honest question, how are you killing anything in seconds with magic melee while still having any sort of regen at the end of it?

A stamina Nightblade melee build will have better burst and with the right sets, still have more regen than the same magic melee Nightblade. As well as this, a stamina build will have way more dodge rolls which for a Nightblade in melee are very very useful.

CatchMeTrolling

Dualwield/Restro

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Played both melee is much better in my opinion, can kill people in seconds before they can do anything. All about the player, resto/destro just easier for the average player to use.

Sorry but, honest question, how are you killing anything in seconds with magic melee while still having any sort of regen at the end of it?

A stamina Nightblade melee build will have better burst and with the right sets, still have more regen than the same magic melee Nightblade. As well as this, a stamina build will have way more dodge rolls which for a Nightblade in melee are very very useful.

All about rotation and how well you time your burst. I normally run low recovery on any class so that's normal for me to manage with 1500 recovery, I use pots as well that buffs recovery and spell damage if needed.

But to sum it up my crippling crasp ticks for 2k plus on average (seen 3k plus at time's) and my concealed weapon hits between 8k-11k which I combine with light attacks, light attacks only do about 500-1000 but that extra damage helps. My soul harvest usually hits for 10k plus, the lowest I seen was about 8k.

Every hit is usually a crit, even though more people are using impen there's still WAY MORE not using it, at least on console.

ChefZero

situationally

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Played both melee is much better in my opinion, can kill people in seconds before they can do anything. All about the player, resto/destro just easier for the average player to use.

Sorry but, honest question, how are you killing anything in seconds with magic melee while still having any sort of regen at the end of it?

A stamina Nightblade melee build will have better burst and with the right sets, still have more regen than the same magic melee Nightblade. As well as this, a stamina build will have way more dodge rolls which for a Nightblade in melee are very very useful.

1. Kill people in seconds doesn't include anything about regen or dodge rolls.
2. Mag/Stam discussions aren't welcome in this thread.

Lava_Croft

8k to 11k Concealed Weapon hits.

That won't happen often and most likely never at all when fighting real PvP players.

CatchMeTrolling

Dualwield/Restro

Lava_Croft wrote: »

8k to 11k Concealed Weapon hits.

That won't happen often and most likely never at all when fighting real PvP players.

Most people don't know what they're doing in this game, even pvp player's. There's people who know what they're doing and people that don't. It's like saying real pvpers will never get 1vxed but people get 1vxed all the time.

Don't underestimate the amount of people that don't know how to play, more so the one's that stay in big groups 24/7.

CapuchinSeven

Destro/Restro

ChefZero wrote: »

1. Kill people in seconds doesn't include anything about regen or dodge rolls.

But not dying right after tends to be useful.

ChefZero wrote: »

3. Mag/Stam discussions aren't welcome in this thread.

*shrug* whatever, good luck with that.

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

All about rotation and how well you time your burst. I normally run low recovery on any class so that's normal for me to manage with 1500 recovery, I use pots as well that buffs recovery and spell damage if needed.

I definitely think you could do it and I don't doubt you're able (EDIT - although that damage amount seems way too high). With a pot for 20% extra spell damage, the right set like Clever Alchemist and then Mage Light with Mage Guild Empower passive for example, I'm just not sure what you're really getting out of stealth with a DW build that you couldn't get from stealth with a Destro heavy attack/Swallow Soul with far more damage and regen.

That Destro heavy attack can hit like a train with the above sets and passives and can even be followed into a Louts Fan and Soul Harvest if that's your thing.

And it has to be said again that a similer build would do the same job with more damage and better regen as stamina.

I'm not bashing you, I think what I took note to was that you said melee was better after playing both and I just don't really see how magic melee NB can really be better than staff NB or stamina NB as was interested in what made you feel that way.

CatchMeTrolling

Dualwield/Restro

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

ChefZero wrote: »

1. Kill people in seconds doesn't include anything about regen or dodge rolls.

But not dying right after tends to be useful.

ChefZero wrote: »

3. Mag/Stam discussions aren't welcome in this thread.

*shrug* whatever, good luck with that.

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

All about rotation and how well you time your burst. I normally run low recovery on any class so that's normal for me to manage with 1500 recovery, I use pots as well that buffs recovery and spell damage if needed.

I definitely think you could do it and I don't doubt you're able. With a pot for 20% extra spell damage, the right set like Clever Alchemist and then Mage Light with Mage Guild Empower passive for example, I'm just not sure what you're really getting out of stealth with a DW build that you couldn't get from stealth with a Destro heavy attack/Swallow Soul with far more damage and regen.

That Destro heavy attack can hit like a train with the above sets and passives and can even be followed into a Louts Fan and Soul Harvest if that's your thing.

And it has to be said again that a similer build would do the same job with more damage and better regen as stamina.

I'm not bashing you, I think what I took note to was that you said melee was better after playing both and I just don't really see how magic melee NB can really be better than staff NB or stamina NB as was interested in what made you feel that way.

I meant better for me more so, I find ranged combat to be boring. Like up close and personal, I feel they can dish out a ton of damage really quick.

In pvp I don't consider anything better, it's all up to the player, I started this game as a magplar which at the time people said they were unplayable lol

Xvorg

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ScruffyWhiskers wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Magicka Melee is dead, buried and ZOS has urinated on its grave set its corpse on fire and wouldn't bother urinating to put it out. Stick to staves.

Hey I fixed that for you.

I actually typed in DELETE on my only character last night. I couldn't bring myself to hit enter though. Some pathetic masochistic part of me hopes it might get fixed sometime down the road. I really hate where pvp is at in this game right now. I'm probably going to take a break. Might try destro with elegant + torugs for fun.

Besides the "meta" being so bad right now, I just don't like the way the game feels. I used to be able to cripple grasp/double take all around a melee fight and land a few good concealed weapons. Now everything feels like molassas. The ping meter is saying everything is fine but it really feels off since around DB dropped. Or maybe it was TG. It just doesn't feel the same.

I logged with my stamblade yesterday and it was boring. Too easy. Just spamming attacks and vigor