Bad PvP'er looking for a guide or two (EU EP PC)

HaldaAinur

As the title suggests, I want to improve my play-style.

I know the basics and am an experiences player, but seem to simply be going wrong somewhere when it comes to PvP.

Class is NB, stamina/sustain build. Any guides or PvP guilds would be greatly appreciated, thanks!

Stats and bars:

Questions that I would like answered:

-Health regen vs extra health mag and stam potions, which would be best for this build in particular?

BurritoESO

I didn't think stats like that are possible

HaldaAinur

BurritoESO wrote: »

I didn't think stats like that are possible

Well now you know

Sandman929

I'm not really sure where to start looking at that. Is a stamina/sustain build meaning you want to dish out damage and have good regen? First of all, if I had to guess I'd say you're not using max level food, or any food, when you probably want to use Triple Trifle Pocket for max health/stam regen. Secondly, don't spread out your Attribute points. Dump them all into stamina. Third, we'd have to know what armor sets/jewelry you're using, but I suspect that area probably needs some work too.

HaldaAinur

I'm using magicka regen armor atm, for cloaking and such, and I'm only posting what I think is more of an issue. I'm in the middle of stam/sustain atm, and am questioning if I should dump it all in stamina, or put what's leftover in health.

Is triple trifle pocket a potion/food or? Atm I tend to go for Velothi View Vintage Malbec/Senche-tiger single malt/Silverside perch pudding.

Jewlery: Necklace of Agility, Titanborn family signet (160cp version), Jewel of the Duchess.

Sandman929

HaldaAinur wrote: »

I'm using magicka regen armor atm, for cloaking and such, and I'm only posting what I think is more of an issue. I'm in the middle of stam/sustain atm, and am questioning if I should dump it all in stamina, or put what's leftover in health.

Is triple trifle pocket a potion/food or? Atm I tend to go for Velothi View Vintage Malbec/Silverside perch pudding.

Jewlery: Necklace of Agility, Titanborn family signet (160cp version), Jewel of the Duchess.

What you're wearing/eating is the main issue if you're a stamina build. Your armor needs to be set pieces worn as a set. 1 agility piece isn't doing you any favors and neither are your rings.

HaldaAinur

Sandman929 wrote: »

HaldaAinur wrote: »

I'm using magicka regen armor atm, for cloaking and such, and I'm only posting what I think is more of an issue. I'm in the middle of stam/sustain atm, and am questioning if I should dump it all in stamina, or put what's leftover in health.

Is triple trifle pocket a potion/food or? Atm I tend to go for Velothi View Vintage Malbec/Silverside perch pudding.

Jewlery: Necklace of Agility, Titanborn family signet (160cp version), Jewel of the Duchess.

What you're wearing/eating is the main issue if you're a stamina build. Your armor needs to be set pieces worn as a set. 1 agility piece isn't doing you any favors and neither are your rings.

Got it, any suggested sets? Marksman's is my go-to.

Sandman929

If you're a stamina nightblade, all your armor should be boosting your max stamina, stamina regen, or weapon damage, and ideally you'll be buffing all three.
If you haven't been here ( http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Sets ) you should take a look. There are a lot of combinations possible, so I can't tell you exactly what to wear, it just depends on how you're trying to play. But one thing is certain, your armor/jewelry needs to be matching Sets to get the set bonuses and you should have it enchanted to boost your chosen attribute preference (stamina or magicka).
Cloak for a stamblade isn't something you're going to be able to spam, and a few points into magicka isn't going to change that. It's a quick Cloak to get into regular crouching stealth.

Sandman929

Also, searching "eso stamina nightblade builds" online will get you some build videos to watch and start getting some ideas. You can pick one and copy it verbatim if you want or think of them as starting points to make your own build.

HaldaAinur

Welp, I got that. As I stated, it's my play-style opposed to the set up I'm most concerned with. As of now I'm looking for a guild so I can train a bit more (it's a pain when half of cyro is 500cp).

Sandman929

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Welp, I got that. As I stated, it's my play-style opposed to the set up I'm most concerned with. As of now I'm looking for a guild so I can train a bit more (it's a pain when half of cyro is 500cp).

Your setup is crippling your playstyle, is what I'm saying.

HaldaAinur

I know ^^

I've had the set-up you've suggested for a while though, albeit with experimenting.

I'm pondering if I should add a few more health draining abilities into my bow bar, which should be helpful on the healing side of things.

Sandman929

HaldaAinur wrote: »

I know ^^

I've had the set-up you've suggested for a while though, albeit with experimenting.

I'm pondering if I should add a few more health draining abilities into my bow bar, which should be helpful on the healing side of things.

As a general rule, for stamina build, anything that costs magicka to cast isn't going to be effective at dealing damage. The only magicka cost abilities you should use are buffs/debuffs. Cloak is fine, used sparingly. Grim Focus, Mark Target, Aspect of Terror...don't put any damage dealing magicka-costing ability on your bar unless it eventually has a stamina based morph you're working towards.

HaldaAinur

Sandman929 wrote: »

HaldaAinur wrote: »

I know ^^

I've had the set-up you've suggested for a while though, albeit with experimenting.

I'm pondering if I should add a few more health draining abilities into my bow bar, which should be helpful on the healing side of things.

As a general rule, for stamina build, anything that costs magicka to cast isn't going to be effective at dealing damage. The only magicka cost abilities you should use are buffs/debuffs. Cloak is fine, used sparingly. Grim Focus, Mark Target...don't put any damage dealing magicka-costing ability on your bar unless it eventually has a stamina based morph you're working towards.

Got it, funny thing is though, aren't most of the morphs in the NB's skill tree mainly magicka?

Sandman929

HaldaAinur wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

HaldaAinur wrote: »

I know ^^

I've had the set-up you've suggested for a while though, albeit with experimenting.

I'm pondering if I should add a few more health draining abilities into my bow bar, which should be helpful on the healing side of things.

As a general rule, for stamina build, anything that costs magicka to cast isn't going to be effective at dealing damage. The only magicka cost abilities you should use are buffs/debuffs. Cloak is fine, used sparingly. Grim Focus, Mark Target...don't put any damage dealing magicka-costing ability on your bar unless it eventually has a stamina based morph you're working towards.

Got it, funny thing is though, aren't most of the morphs in the NB's skill tree mainly magicka?

The Siphoning tree is pretty much dead to you as a stamblade. Unless you really want Power Extraction or Soul Tether as an Ulti.
Surprise Attack and Ambush are your stamina class-based buddies now. The buffs cost magicka, but you can afford them since you won't be using magicka for anything else.

HaldaAinur

Neato! Now to find a guild so I can have some training buddies. Thanks for the input!

HaldaAinur

Oh yeah, any recommendations for potions?

Sandman929

Level up alchemy. What you can make is far better than what you can find or buy. Which ones to use is personal preference. Homemade potions that include Immovability are darned useful though for a long CC immunity.

dashima

Holy crap lol. This nb needs some serious makeover time.



Here's a pretty general set-up that doesn't use maelstrom/master weapons and shouldn't be too difficult to come by.
Fully buffed it hits 4k+ weapon damage, 40k+ stamina, good sustain with BR, somewhat tanky. (it'll get even higher stats next patch with the addition of sets like automation and draugr)

x5 pc Black Rose
x1 pc Molag Kena
x3 pc Leki's Focus
x3 agility jewelry
All impenetrable or well-fitted armor, sharpened weapons, everything into stamina and weapon damage.



Black rose on stamblade (aka running very low regen, less mobility and heavy armor) can be somewhat challenging if you're new so you could try crafted sets like Hunding's Rage/Eternal Hunt or easy-to-buy sets like Marksman first. Velidreth is also very good if you can get your hands on that, but I personally hate it and don't use it.

It appears you're using sword/board + bow which is a fun playstyle but I highly recommend 2h + bow, sword/board or dual wield because it's challenging to play an open world stamblade without 2h unless you're at the top of your game.

Fairly standard bar set-up:


2H Bar - Surprise Attack / Ambush / Mass Hysteria / Reverse Slice / Rally / Ult: Incapitating Strike


Bow Bar - Flex Spot (Siphoning Attacks, Relentless Focus, Rearming Trap, Shadow Image, etc) / Shuffle / Resolving Vigor / Poison Injection / Shadowy Disguise / Ult: Dawnbreaker of Smiting

For food, I use standard blue max health and stam food, but if you have really bad sustain issues you can try using Orzorga's and the Serpent mundus at the cost of some damage.


Uhh I should also note that this is not a ganking build and mostly intended for solo play. You can gank in heavy armor, totally possible, but if you're planning on being a pure gankblade or running with a group, this isn't the right build. You'll be called a ganker regardless of what you do though, good luck lmao

WillhelmBlack

That's awesome @dashima, props for helping him out.

OP, that's a really good set up but if you can't get Black Rose or Agility I'd start off with pieces of impenetrable Marksman and Leki and maybe craft yourself a heavy cuirass and a light sash so you can start levelling those armour types up. Remember you'll need at least 5 medium pieces for the passives and ALL of your gear should be at least purple (epic) quality.

HaldaAinur

And just fyi; I'm planning on keeping one hand and shield, although I get the 2h thing is everyone go to nowadays because of wrecking blow and the charge attack (I forget the name as of right now).