PSA: Dear everyone using fear...

LinearParadox · September 2016

Fear is bugged to hell, cannot be broken free of reliably, and is damn near an exploit at this point.
If you animation cancel a fear into an ult, you're just winning by cheese and you're basically scum. It requires 0 skill and is an instant win 90% of the time, especially you dear Gankblades opening out of stealth.

(Edit) Just an FYI, this is NOT about animation cancelling. I am aware the devs have said ani-cancelling is intended, whether individual players like it or don't. This is about the fact that fear operates outside the proper game environment. If you stun/knock-down/knock-up/whatever, a player of decent skill/reaction time can REACT to it, and typically counter it by breaking free and either blocking or dodge-rolling, shielding, etc. Fear, may times, either does not allow you to break free, or only does so after a LONG delay. Meaning that, if you're unlucky enough to have it bug out on you that time, you have no choice but to eat that ult to the face. This is NOT the way the game is designed, and therefore, in my opinion, is basically an exploit. How? Well...
Exploits are, quite simply, when something in the game is not working as intended and players use that 'something' to gain an advantage that is either not intended or outside the scope of the game's design. So yes, fear-bursting is basically an exploit.

The more you know.

Caza99 · September 2016

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Elara_Northwind · September 2016

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest

but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

LinearParadox · September 2016

SadieJoan wrote: »

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

Do you have any idea how many people are using Vamp drain to weave fears in? It's so damn strong I'm seeing Stam users slot it just for the (brokenly long) CC

mtwiggz · September 2016

Been asking for reliable CC breaking since game release. Fear is not the only ability that makes breaking free difficult, especially in lag.

Your rage post is valid, but over played. Don't think ZoS can fix CC breaking to begin with. Fear isn't the problem, broken game mechanics are.

Elara_Northwind · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

Do you have any idea how many people are using Vamp drain to weave fears in? It's so damn strong I'm seeing Stam users slot it just for the (brokenly long) CC

So you want to nerf yet ANOTHER magicka skill to satisfy the OP stamina FOTM people now.... nvm

And also, even as magicka, I can easily break free from fear, it is not an issue for me at all. It is annoying yes, but many other class skills are too, so unless you want all classes to be the same, I suggest you just learn to break free...

Caza99 · September 2016

Sorry but fear is the only viable CC I have as a melee magblade...should I just stop playing melee because you don't like fear?

LinearParadox · September 2016

mtwiggz wrote: »

Been asking for reliable CC breaking since game release. Fear is not the only ability that makes breaking free difficult, especially in lag.

Your rage post is valid, but over played. Don't think ZoS can fix CC breaking to begin with. Fear isn't the problem, broken game mechanics are.

For whatever reason, fear is the ONLY skill I can't seem to break free from. I've heard the same from others as well, but maybe you're just lucky. I can bear fear too, but only about 50-75% of the time, the rest I get stuck in it, or even after visually breaking free I still can't take action for another second or so.

SadieJoan wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

Do you have any idea how many people are using Vamp drain to weave fears in? It's so damn strong I'm seeing Stam users slot it just for the (brokenly long) CC

So you want to nerf yet ANOTHER magicka skill to satisfy the OP stamina FOTM people now.... nvm

And also, even as magicka, I can easily break free from fear, it is not an issue for me at all. It is annoying yes, but many other class skills are too, so unless you want all classes to be the same, I suggest you just learn to break free...

Okay, apparently you have trouble reading since you completely missed most of what I had to say.
First of all, assumptions galore. I'm playing a Magsorc so... no, I'm neither saying to 'nerf another magicka skill' not am I FOTM, matter of fact, I'm playing a *** PET SORC so.. yeah... FOTM my ass -.-
Secondly, perhaps you missed where I said STAM USERS ARE USING IT. My point is that the CC is so damn powerful, people are using it for JUST THAT even when it gets them no damage whatsoever because they're a STAM BUILD.
Also, I have no problems breaking free, thank you very much. If you'd actually read my post, you'd see that. I don't have a problem pressing two buttons, or reacting to CC, I have a problem when the game DOESN'T LET ME break free. I often have to input the command 3-4 times before I actually break free with fears, sometimes not at all, even with a full stam bar.

Caza99 wrote: »

Sorry but fear is the only viable CC I have as a melee magblade...should I just stop playing melee because you don't like fear?

If by "Reliable" you mean it lasts longer because it's UNBREAKABLE, then yes. Functionally fear is no different than other CCs, which I have no problem with. I'd ALSO have no problem with fear if not for the fact that for me, as well as many other players I've spoken to, it has a HIGH propensity to bug out and not allow me to CC break for quite some time, or in rare occasions, not at all. That is what I have a problem with, and it seems certain players have figured it out and are exploiting it because I see builds and classes jumping me that have a HUGE array of CC available to them, but they choose drain, or any other fear skill, more often that not.

Elara_Northwind · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Been asking for reliable CC breaking since game release. Fear is not the only ability that makes breaking free difficult, especially in lag.

Your rage post is valid, but over played. Don't think ZoS can fix CC breaking to begin with. Fear isn't the problem, broken game mechanics are.

For whatever reason, fear is the ONLY skill I can't seem to break free from. I've heard the same from others as well, but maybe you're just lucky. I can bear fear too, but only about 50-75% of the time, the rest I get stuck in it, or even after visually breaking free I still can't take action for another second or so.

SadieJoan wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

Do you have any idea how many people are using Vamp drain to weave fears in? It's so damn strong I'm seeing Stam users slot it just for the (brokenly long) CC

So you want to nerf yet ANOTHER magicka skill to satisfy the OP stamina FOTM people now.... nvm

And also, even as magicka, I can easily break free from fear, it is not an issue for me at all. It is annoying yes, but many other class skills are too, so unless you want all classes to be the same, I suggest you just learn to break free...

Okay, apparently you have trouble reading since you completely missed most of what I had to say.
First of all, assumptions galore. I'm playing a Magsorc so... no, I'm neither saying to 'nerf another magicka skill' not am I FOTM, matter of fact, I'm playing a *** PET SORC so.. yeah... FOTM my ass -.-
Secondly, perhaps you missed where I said STAM USERS ARE USING IT. My point is that the CC is so damn powerful, people are using it for JUST THAT even when it gets them no damage whatsoever because they're a STAM BUILD.
Also, I have no problems breaking free, thank you very much. If you'd actually read my post, you'd see that. I don't have a problem pressing two buttons, or reacting to CC, I have a problem when the game DOESN'T LET ME break free. I often have to input the command 3-4 times before I actually break free with fears, sometimes not at all, even with a full stam bar.

Caza99 wrote: »

Sorry but fear is the only viable CC I have as a melee magblade...should I just stop playing melee because you don't like fear?

If by "Reliable" you mean it lasts longer because it's UNBREAKABLE, then yes. Functionally fear is no different than other CCs, which I have no problem with. I'd ALSO have no problem with fear if not for the fact that for me, as well as many other players I've spoken to, it has a HIGH propensity to bug out and not allow me to CC break for quite some time, or in rare occasions, not at all. That is what I have a problem with, and it seems certain players have figured it out and are exploiting it because I see builds and classes jumping me that have a HUGE array of CC available to them, but they choose drain, or any other fear skill, more often that not.

I can read perfectly fine, tyvm

So stamina people are using it... Stamina sorcerers are using streak, should we nerf that some more too? or perhaps nerf blazing spear, I saw a stam templar use that earlier, I was stunned for ages... Seriously, enough with the people wanting everything nerfed, its getting ridiculous! In my experience, with fear, you only have a short window in which you can break free....

Just because you find something annoying, and because somebody kills you as a certain class, it does not mean that they need to be nerfed. People shout about these things without thinking of the repercussions, so perhaps a stam person who does OP damage feared you and killed you, but nerfing a magicka skill does not only affect the stamina nbs, it also affects magicka ones too, who are having a pretty tough time of it as of late.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

You know what else takes 0 skill?

Press break free.

Go practice.

Caza99 · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Been asking for reliable CC breaking since game release. Fear is not the only ability that makes breaking free difficult, especially in lag.

Your rage post is valid, but over played. Don't think ZoS can fix CC breaking to begin with. Fear isn't the problem, broken game mechanics are.

For whatever reason, fear is the ONLY skill I can't seem to break free from. I've heard the same from others as well, but maybe you're just lucky. I can bear fear too, but only about 50-75% of the time, the rest I get stuck in it, or even after visually breaking free I still can't take action for another second or so.

SadieJoan wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

Do you have any idea how many people are using Vamp drain to weave fears in? It's so damn strong I'm seeing Stam users slot it just for the (brokenly long) CC

So you want to nerf yet ANOTHER magicka skill to satisfy the OP stamina FOTM people now.... nvm

And also, even as magicka, I can easily break free from fear, it is not an issue for me at all. It is annoying yes, but many other class skills are too, so unless you want all classes to be the same, I suggest you just learn to break free...

Okay, apparently you have trouble reading since you completely missed most of what I had to say.
First of all, assumptions galore. I'm playing a Magsorc so... no, I'm neither saying to 'nerf another magicka skill' not am I FOTM, matter of fact, I'm playing a *** PET SORC so.. yeah... FOTM my ass -.-
Secondly, perhaps you missed where I said STAM USERS ARE USING IT. My point is that the CC is so damn powerful, people are using it for JUST THAT even when it gets them no damage whatsoever because they're a STAM BUILD.
Also, I have no problems breaking free, thank you very much. If you'd actually read my post, you'd see that. I don't have a problem pressing two buttons, or reacting to CC, I have a problem when the game DOESN'T LET ME break free. I often have to input the command 3-4 times before I actually break free with fears, sometimes not at all, even with a full stam bar.

Caza99 wrote: »

Sorry but fear is the only viable CC I have as a melee magblade...should I just stop playing melee because you don't like fear?

If by "Reliable" you mean it lasts longer because it's UNBREAKABLE, then yes. Functionally fear is no different than other CCs, which I have no problem with. I'd ALSO have no problem with fear if not for the fact that for me, as well as many other players I've spoken to, it has a HIGH propensity to bug out and not allow me to CC break for quite some time, or in rare occasions, not at all. That is what I have a problem with, and it seems certain players have figured it out and are exploiting it because I see builds and classes jumping me that have a HUGE array of CC available to them, but they choose drain, or any other fear skill, more often that not.

First of all, I said VIABLE but yes it is reliable. But not because occasionally, like most CCs, it is unbreakable but because it goes through block and is the only CC worth using on a melee magicka nightblade. Give me another viable and reliable option for a melee magicka night blade and I'll use it

Gilvoth · September 2016

when i cast fear, people 100% of the time are breaking Free from it almost instantly.
that's my experience with it. i get stun locked quite often tho from Streak and from that blazzing spear thing that templars throw at me. and those crystal shards that knock me down, by the time i do get free from those things, im dead.
and i have 28000 HP, so yeah.

Elara_Northwind · September 2016

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

when i cast fear, people 100% of the time are breaking Free from it almost instantly.
that's my experience with it. i get stun locked quite often tho from Streak and from that blazzing spear thing that templars throw at me. and those crystal shards that knock me down, by the time i do get free from those things, im dead.
and i have 28000 HP, so yeah.

I agree with this. I don't play magicka nb myself, but fear is one of the last things that I 'fear'

LinearParadox · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You know what else takes 0 skill?

Press break free.

Go practice.

Well, that's argumentative. -.-
You haven't read a thing, have you? That's okay, eventually you'll have it happen to you, and you'll understand. I have lightning reflexes, I break free of CC almost instantaneously. It's a skill you learn with you play a Magsorc. Well, you either learn it or you die, one of the two.
AGAIN, I'm not talking about an inability to press buttons, I'm talking about a bug literally PREVENTING you from breaking free.

SadieJoan wrote: »

I can read perfectly fine, tyvm So stamina people are using it... Stamina sorcerers are using streak, should we nerf that some more too? or perhaps nerf blazing spear, I saw a stam templar use that earlier, I was stunned for ages... Seriously, enough with the people wanting everything nerfed, its getting ridiculous! In my experience, with fear, you only have a short window in which you can break free....

Just because you find something annoying, and because somebody kills you as a certain class, it does not mean that they need to be nerfed. People shout about these things without thinking of the repercussions, so perhaps a stam person who does OP damage feared you and killed you, but nerfing a magicka skill does not only affect the stamina nbs, it also affects magicka ones too, who are having a pretty tough time of it as of late.

Oh really? You can read just fine? Okay, here, read this: Fix. FIX. That's F-I-X. Sounds like eff eye eks. I want them to FIX the skill. Where, in any of my carefully thought arguments, or rants, did I say the word nerf, even ONCE. I want them to FIX fear so it doesn't *** PERMA-CC you. That is ALL. That's IT. Nothing more, nothing less. Keep the skill EXACTLY how it is. FIX. THE. UNBREAKABLE. CC. GLITCH.
Get it now? Probably not. -_-

Caza99 wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

mtwiggz wrote: »

Been asking for reliable CC breaking since game release. Fear is not the only ability that makes breaking free difficult, especially in lag.

Your rage post is valid, but over played. Don't think ZoS can fix CC breaking to begin with. Fear isn't the problem, broken game mechanics are.

For whatever reason, fear is the ONLY skill I can't seem to break free from. I've heard the same from others as well, but maybe you're just lucky. I can bear fear too, but only about 50-75% of the time, the rest I get stuck in it, or even after visually breaking free I still can't take action for another second or so.

SadieJoan wrote: »

LinearParadox wrote: »

SadieJoan wrote: »

I get more annoyed by teleport to shade than fear, if I am being completely honest but I don't think, personally, that any magicka skill needs to be nerfed right now. Magicka nb's are the ones that seem to use fear allot, and all of us magicka people need to stick together in times like these and show those stam-tards what we are made of

#BuffMagickaNB

Do you have any idea how many people are using Vamp drain to weave fears in? It's so damn strong I'm seeing Stam users slot it just for the (brokenly long) CC

So you want to nerf yet ANOTHER magicka skill to satisfy the OP stamina FOTM people now.... nvm

And also, even as magicka, I can easily break free from fear, it is not an issue for me at all. It is annoying yes, but many other class skills are too, so unless you want all classes to be the same, I suggest you just learn to break free...

Okay, apparently you have trouble reading since you completely missed most of what I had to say.
First of all, assumptions galore. I'm playing a Magsorc so... no, I'm neither saying to 'nerf another magicka skill' not am I FOTM, matter of fact, I'm playing a *** PET SORC so.. yeah... FOTM my ass -.-
Secondly, perhaps you missed where I said STAM USERS ARE USING IT. My point is that the CC is so damn powerful, people are using it for JUST THAT even when it gets them no damage whatsoever because they're a STAM BUILD.
Also, I have no problems breaking free, thank you very much. If you'd actually read my post, you'd see that. I don't have a problem pressing two buttons, or reacting to CC, I have a problem when the game DOESN'T LET ME break free. I often have to input the command 3-4 times before I actually break free with fears, sometimes not at all, even with a full stam bar.

Caza99 wrote: »

First of all, I said VIABLE but yes it is reliable. But not because occasionally, like most CCs, it is unbreakable but because it goes through block and is the only CC worth using on a melee magicka nightblade. Give me another viable and reliable option for a melee magicka night blade and I'll use it

My mistake there, and I understand your point. I'm also actually okay with it going through block; there's only one status effect that does that, and there needs to be a counter to perma-blocking and such.
I just wish Fear weren't so damn buggy.

Elara_Northwind · September 2016

Oh really? You can read just fine? Okay, here, read this: Fix. FIX. That's F-I-X. Sounds like eff eye eks. I want them to FIX the skill. Where, in any of my carefully thought arguments, or rants, did I say the word nerf, even ONCE. I want them to FIX fear so it doesn't *** PERMA-CC you. That is ALL. That's IT. Nothing more, nothing less. Keep the skill EXACTLY how it is. FIX. THE. UNBREAKABLE. CC. GLITCH.
Get it now? Probably not. -_-

It does not need fixing, and can be broken out of... Do you understand that? Probably not

And btw, if you want anyone to take your 'rant' seriously, perhaps you should refrain from being rude to people, it isn't the best way to get others on your side, it just makes you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum

Forestd16b14_ESO · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You know what else takes 0 skill?

Press break free.

Go practice.

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

Please take away all of my CCs (I play magblades and use both drain and fear on different characters). For the record, I like the ult gain and range from drain. What I find to be much more of an annoying CC is draining shot from the bow skill line; nothing more irritating than getting shot back twice in a row/double CC'd when the archer is quick enough.

CC-breaking+lag in general is the problem, not nightblades, and it sounds like your specific issue is that nbs kill you. In that case: impen/shields/resistances/health/mages light.

Sincerely,
Your dearest, scummiest gankblade

Rohamad_Ali · September 2016

Have you tried rebinding your break free away from mouse ? In lag hitting two mouse buttons not always works . I had to do the change to fix breaking free problem .

Firerock2 · September 2016

SadieJoan wrote: »

Oh really? You can read just fine? Okay, here, read this: Fix. FIX. That's F-I-X. Sounds like eff eye eks. I want them to FIX the skill. Where, in any of my carefully thought arguments, or rants, did I say the word nerf, even ONCE. I want them to FIX fear so it doesn't *** PERMA-CC you. That is ALL. That's IT. Nothing more, nothing less. Keep the skill EXACTLY how it is. FIX. THE. UNBREAKABLE. CC. GLITCH.
Get it now? Probably not. -_-

It does not need fixing, and can be broken out of... Do you understand that? Probably not

And btw, if you want anyone to take your 'rant' seriously, perhaps you should refrain from being rude to people, it isn't the best way to get others on your side, it just makes you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum

It actually does need fixing, fear suffers from something that not many other CC do. You can't break out of it until your character has their hands on their head which is NOT right after the NB activates fear. There is a second there where you can't break free and its incredibly cheezy. Do you understand that? I doubt it.

Btw I imagine its hard not to be rude around somebody who has no idea what they are talking about and refuses to listen. I'd say more but it wouldn't be allowed on these forums.

LinearParadox · September 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Have you tried rebinding your break free away from mouse ? In lag hitting two mouse buttons not always works . I had to do the change to fix breaking free problem .

O_O I had never thought of that, thank you. I'll try that!

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Please take away all of my CCs (I play magblades and use both drain and fear on different characters). For the record, I like the ult gain and range from drain. What I find to be much more of an annoying CC is draining shot from the bow skill line; nothing more irritating than getting shot back twice in a row/double CC'd when the archer is quick enough.

CC-breaking+lag in general is the problem, not nightblades, and it sounds like your specific issue is that nbs kill you. In that case: impen/shields/resistances/health/mages light.

Sincerely,
Your dearest, scummiest gankblade

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

SadieJoan wrote: »

It does not need fixing, and can be broken out of... Do you understand that? Probably not

And btw, if you want anyone to take your 'rant' seriously, perhaps you should refrain from being rude to people, it isn't the best way to get others on your side, it just makes you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum

Clearly, you've never experienced this glitch, count yourself lucky. You're not the first person I've talked to that's never had a problem breaking out of fear, or any other stun, but I can assure you that /I/ am not the only person that DOES have a problem sometimes. There IS an issue with breaking free, and most players I've spoken to, including myself, have felt it most often with fear effects.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You know what else takes 0 skill?

Press break free.

Go practice.

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

You dont. You die, because you failed to manage your stamina efficiently and the other player won. This is not what the thread is about, I'm not looking for nerfs, please do not muddy the waters with silly things like this.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Have you tried rebinding your break free away from mouse ? In lag hitting two mouse buttons not always works . I had to do the change to fix breaking free problem .

O_O I had never thought of that, thank you. I'll try that!

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Please take away all of my CCs (I play magblades and use both drain and fear on different characters). For the record, I like the ult gain and range from drain. What I find to be much more of an annoying CC is draining shot from the bow skill line; nothing more irritating than getting shot back twice in a row/double CC'd when the archer is quick enough.

CC-breaking+lag in general is the problem, not nightblades, and it sounds like your specific issue is that nbs kill you. In that case: impen/shields/resistances/health/mages light.

Sincerely,
Your dearest, scummiest gankblade

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

SadieJoan wrote: »

It does not need fixing, and can be broken out of... Do you understand that? Probably not

And btw, if you want anyone to take your 'rant' seriously, perhaps you should refrain from being rude to people, it isn't the best way to get others on your side, it just makes you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum

Clearly, you've never experienced this glitch, count yourself lucky. You're not the first person I've talked to that's never had a problem breaking out of fear, or any other stun, but I can assure you that /I/ am not the only person that DOES have a problem sometimes. There IS an issue with breaking free, and most players I've spoken to, including myself, have felt it most often with fear effects.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You know what else takes 0 skill?

Press break free.

Go practice.

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

You dont. You die, because you failed to manage your stamina efficiently and the other player won. This is not what the thread is about, I'm not looking for nerfs, please do not muddy the waters with silly things like this.

If you haven't rebinded it to 1 button yet, how exactly do you break free? How do you press the buttons, do you try and press them at the same time?

A friend of mine had a 'problem' with not being able to break free from cc, i told him to press L2 then R2 instead of trying to press them both at once as sometimes i won't work.

He hasn't had a problem since.

Go into the habbit of pressing one then the other, if you start pressing stuff too fast it won't register or you could accidentally hit a wrong button first.

Rohamad_Ali · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Have you tried rebinding your break free away from mouse ? In lag hitting two mouse buttons not always works . I had to do the change to fix breaking free problem .

O_O I had never thought of that, thank you. I'll try that!

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Please take away all of my CCs (I play magblades and use both drain and fear on different characters). For the record, I like the ult gain and range from drain. What I find to be much more of an annoying CC is draining shot from the bow skill line; nothing more irritating than getting shot back twice in a row/double CC'd when the archer is quick enough.

CC-breaking+lag in general is the problem, not nightblades, and it sounds like your specific issue is that nbs kill you. In that case: impen/shields/resistances/health/mages light.

Sincerely,
Your dearest, scummiest gankblade

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

SadieJoan wrote: »

It does not need fixing, and can be broken out of... Do you understand that? Probably not

And btw, if you want anyone to take your 'rant' seriously, perhaps you should refrain from being rude to people, it isn't the best way to get others on your side, it just makes you look like a 5 year old throwing a tantrum

Clearly, you've never experienced this glitch, count yourself lucky. You're not the first person I've talked to that's never had a problem breaking out of fear, or any other stun, but I can assure you that /I/ am not the only person that DOES have a problem sometimes. There IS an issue with breaking free, and most players I've spoken to, including myself, have felt it most often with fear effects.

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

You know what else takes 0 skill?

Press break free.

Go practice.

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

You dont. You die, because you failed to manage your stamina efficiently and the other player won. This is not what the thread is about, I'm not looking for nerfs, please do not muddy the waters with silly things like this.

You are welcome my friend . Hopefully in changing this to single key this problem is going away for you . It did for me .

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

By managing your resources...?

LinearParadox wrote: »

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

Indeed they were meant to be tips that I recommend regardless of how many fights you win or lose against nbs. The way you worded your original post definitely makes it come off as a "rage"/"nerf" thread. I mean you called players scum and accused them of exploiting. I agree that CC-breaking is irritating at times (you'll have plenty of stam, go for the cc break, and...nothing). For me, it doesn't only happen with fear though.

A better way to go about what (I think) you're trying to discuss would be to say what you said in your reply to me: that you noticed more people are using fear CCs, and you're guessing/wondering if it's because "fears" appear to have a higher chance to yield an "unbreakable cc". Overall, fix CC's in general. Make breaking free more responsive, especially when the lag is crazy.

Lokey0024 · September 2016

As strong as it is, making it single target might be called for. But i have no real issue with it really. It can be predicted and broke early most times.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

By managing your resources...?

LinearParadox wrote: »

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

Indeed they were meant to be tips that I recommend regardless of how many fights you win or lose against nbs. The way you worded your original post definitely makes it come off as a "rage"/"nerf" thread. I mean you called players scum and accused them of exploiting. I agree that CC-breaking is irritating at times (you'll have plenty of stam, go for the cc break, and...nothing). For me, it doesn't only happen with fear though.

A better way to go about what (I think) you're trying to discuss would be to say what you said in your reply to me: that you noticed more people are using fear CCs, and you're guessing/wondering if it's because "fears" appear to have a higher chance to yield an "unbreakable cc". Overall, fix CC's in general. Make breaking free more responsive, especially when the lag is crazy.

People use fear because it's an aoe cc, snares, applies minor maim and goes through block.

It's good to time burst, it how mag nb's always get a comet to hit you and you can't block it.

LinearParadox · September 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

By managing your resources...?

LinearParadox wrote: »

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

Indeed they were meant to be tips that I recommend regardless of how many fights you win or lose against nbs. The way you worded your original post definitely makes it come off as a "rage"/"nerf" thread. I mean you called players scum and accused them of exploiting. I agree that CC-breaking is irritating at times (you'll have plenty of stam, go for the cc break, and...nothing). For me, it doesn't only happen with fear though.

A better way to go about what (I think) you're trying to discuss would be to say what you said in your reply to me: that you noticed more people are using fear CCs, and you're guessing/wondering if it's because "fears" appear to have a higher chance to yield an "unbreakable cc". Overall, fix CC's in general. Make breaking free more responsive, especially when the lag is crazy.

Fair enough. I was more than a little pissed at the time, and died to... in a row, a NB, a Stamsorc and a Magplar, all three using fear-burst combos, the latter two using drain to accomplish the fear. I was both frustrating, and a little suspicious, especially to me as I've always felt fear to be significantly more buggy than other CCs.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

You are welcome my friend . Hopefully in changing this to single key this problem is going away for you . It did for me .

I hope so too, though for a time I'll probably die even more often while I'm trying to adjust to the new input XP.
Anywho, thanks again.

Lynnessa · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

Fear is broken and bugged to hell, cannot be broken free of reliably, and is damn near an exploit at this point.
If you animation cancel a fear into an ult, you're just winning by cheese and you're basically scum. It requires 0 skill and is an instant win 90% of the time, especially you dear Gankblades opening out of stealth.

That's ironic because I only slot fear because it saves me from gankers. (I heal, I don't kill.)

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Hmm ok how are you supposed to do that when you have 0 stamina to break free with ?

By managing your resources...?

LinearParadox wrote: »

Thank you for the tips (I think). NBs do occasionally kill me, but not anymore so than other classes, and I win more fights than I lose in PvP, so dying sometimes is fine. I don't think that I'm better than everyone else, or that I should never die. I'm not a total rage-cage, I was merely pointing out that there seems to be a trend with people favoring fear as a CC, and in my opinion it's likely because certain people have found that fear seems to be buggy to break free from, resulting in a longer CC, and are using that to their advantage.

Indeed they were meant to be tips that I recommend regardless of how many fights you win or lose against nbs. The way you worded your original post definitely makes it come off as a "rage"/"nerf" thread. I mean you called players scum and accused them of exploiting. I agree that CC-breaking is irritating at times (you'll have plenty of stam, go for the cc break, and...nothing). For me, it doesn't only happen with fear though.

A better way to go about what (I think) you're trying to discuss would be to say what you said in your reply to me: that you noticed more people are using fear CCs, and you're guessing/wondering if it's because "fears" appear to have a higher chance to yield an "unbreakable cc". Overall, fix CC's in general. Make breaking free more responsive, especially when the lag is crazy.

People use fear because it's an aoe cc, snares, applies minor maim and goes through block.

It's good to time burst, it how mag nb's always get a comet to hit you and you can't block it.

? I was talking about it from OP's point of view with what he replied to me earlier, and I think he was talking about fear in general, not just mass hysteria.

But yes, fear indeed is our equivalent to a dk's fossilize in the meteor CC combo, it just is more irritating to use when you play range (hence why I go with invigorating drain on one of my magblades). All of the additional benefits though are what really make mass hysteria one of the top cc's in the game. I know it has saved me numerous times in my escapes as a destro gankblade

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Strider_Roshin · September 2016

That's odd, I break out of fear immediately pretty consistently. You must be a bad player.

LinearParadox · September 2016

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

That's odd, I break out of fear immediately pretty consistently. You must be a bad player.

LAWL. Okay buddy. I'm guessing you haven't read most of the thread?
This would be like the 7'th time I've paraphrased my issue, I'm not doing it again. I'll just say that in my head I'm calling you various foul names and leave it at that.

LegacyDM · September 2016

LinearParadox wrote: »

Fear is broken and bugged to hell, cannot be broken free of reliably, and is damn near an exploit at this point.

Stamina classes are broken and op as hell. There fixed that for you.

Seriously dude, your gonna complain about the one good thing about a magicka NB when there are much bigger balance issues plaguing the game?